Retirement change to Dependent Extension

[boriga]

I am currently resident on an extension of Non O visa (converted from a visa exempt entry) based upon retirement. I have two kids at school in Bangkok who are on extensions based upon their study. I wish to change the basis of visa extension from Retirement to being their Dependent, this should involve lower financial requirements but also put us all in sync for renewals etc. I will be applying at Chaeng Wattana.

 

My question is whether I can change the basis of extension at CW or do I need to leave and apply for another non-o visa specifically as dependent in a nearby country / my home country?

 

Maybe someone has changed from Retirement to Marriage as the basis for extension recently at CW that can provide some insight?  Thanks

[ubonjoe]

You can apply for an extension based upon being the parent of a child attending school.

You will need 500k baht in a Thai bank for 90 days on the date you apply for extension.

It should be possible to change the reason for your current extension without needing to get a new non-o visa entry.

[elviajero]

25 minutes ago, boriga said:

I wish to change the basis of visa extension from Retirement to being their Dependent

You will be applying as their parent, not dependent.

 

26 minutes ago, boriga said:

My question is whether I can change the basis of extension at CW or do I need to leave and apply for another non-o visa specifically as dependent in a nearby country / my home country?

Yes you should be able to change the basis of the extension without getting a new visa. If they do insist on a new visa it is easily obtained from Thai embassies/consulates in the region for most nationalities.

[colinchaffers]

You can apply for an extension based upon being the parent of a child attending school.
You will need 500k baht in a Thai bank for 90 days on the date you apply for extension.
It should be possible to change the reason for your current extension without needing to get a new non-o visa entry.

Joe, is it really 500KTHB? thought it was 400KTHB


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[fishtank]

500k. 400 is for a Thai spouse.

[colinchaffers]

500k. 400 is for a Thai spouse.

Yes indeed, but I thought they were the same


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[fishtank]

16 minutes ago, colinchaffers said:

Yes indeed, but I thought they were the same


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Nope. They are not and never have been.

 

2.11 In the case of a family member of an alien who has been permitted to stay temporarily in Thailand for study in an educational institution as set out in clauses 2.8 or 2.9 (applicable only to parents, spouse, children, adopted child or the child of his/her spouse):  Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time.    (1) The alien has obtained a temporary visa (NON-IM);  (2) Proof of family relationship; and (3) In the case of spouse, the marital relationship shall be de jure (legitimate) and de facto; or (4) In the case of a child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married, must be living with the applicant, and must be less than 20 years of age; or  (5) In the case of parents, there must be an account deposit with a local bank made in the name of father or mother of not less than Baht 500,000 as shown in bank account transactions for the past 3 months. For the first year, it should have that said amount in the bank account for not less than 30 days at the submitted date of the application.

Edited September 3, 2019 by fishtank

[soalbundy]

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

You can apply for an extension based upon being the parent of a child attending school.

You will need 500k baht in a Thai bank for 90 days on the date you apply for extension.

It should be possible to change the reason for your current extension without needing to get a new non-o visa entry.

Must you have the 500k or would a certain amount of monthly income suffice ?

[fishtank]

Baht 500,000 as shown in bank account transactions for the past 3 months.

[Krataiboy]

1 hour ago, fishtank said:

Nope. They are not and never have been.

 

2.11 In the case of a family member of an alien who has been permitted to stay temporarily in Thailand for study in an educational institution as set out in clauses 2.8 or 2.9 (applicable only to parents, spouse, children, adopted child or the child of his/her spouse):  Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time.    (1) The alien has obtained a temporary visa (NON-IM);  (2) Proof of family relationship; and (3) In the case of spouse, the marital relationship shall be de jure (legitimate) and de facto; or (4) In the case of a child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married, must be living with the applicant, and must be less than 20 years of age; or  (5) In the case of parents, there must be an account deposit with a local bank made in the name of father or mother of not less than Baht 500,000 as shown in bank account transactions for the past 3 months. For the first year, it should have that said amount in the bank account for not less than 30 days at the submitted date of the application.

Thanks, fishtank, for the useful info. Have you a reliable source for determining at what age a young person with a falang parent is no longer officially classified as a dependent? In the past I've seen conflicting reports about this, with mention of  an upper age limit of 21.

[ThaiBunny]

1 minute ago, Krataiboy said:

at what age a young person with a falang parent is no longer officially classified as a dependent?

Why is the race of the parent a determinant?

[gimo]

1 hour ago, fishtank said:

Baht 500,000 as shown in bank account transactions for the past 3 months.

From next June  I intend to stay in Thai for a year on  ME Non O due to a Thai child ( mine by birth ) . Then I intend to apply for retirement based on that same child , by showing 12 months of of monthly 40,000 baht deposits to my bank acc from pension payments . Does that sound good , or will I have to put 500k into the bank ? I will use the 40,000 per to live for that 1st year

[ubonjoe]

17 minutes ago, gimo said:

hen I intend to apply for retirement based on that same child , by showing 12 months of of monthly 40,000 baht deposits to my bank acc from pension payments .

You would be applying for an extension of stay based upon being the parent of a Thai not retirement.

For an extension based upon being the parent of a Thai you have the option of 400k baht in a Thai bank or proof of 40k baht monthly income.

[justin case]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

You would be applying for an extension of stay based upon being the parent of a Thai not retirement.

For an extension based upon being the parent of a Thai you have the option of 400k baht in a Thai bank or proof of 40k baht monthly income.

is it 400 or 500 Ubon Joe

 

here you say 400 k / 40 k per months and a post above you say 500.000 baht

 

is it a bad thai translation ... do they mean parent of a thai child or parents of the alien ?

 

 

and how is having a wife & child = 400.000 baht

 

but not having a wife, needing 500.000 baht ?

 

 

thai logic ?

[elviajero]

2 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Thanks, fishtank, for the useful info. Have you a reliable source for determining at what age a young person with a falang parent is no longer officially classified as a dependent? In the past I've seen conflicting reports about this, with mention of  an upper age limit of 21.

There is no extension that you apply for on the basis of dependency, It is based on relationship.

 

If your child has the correct extension of stay based on education you can apply for an extension as their parent. The parent effectively piggybacks the child’s stay. There is no limit on the age of the child in education. You, as the parent, require 500K in the bank. 

 

There is an age limit of 20 if a foreign child wants an extension to visit their family or foreign parent with a qualifying permission to stay. The child effectively piggybacks the parents stay.

 

[elviajero]

3 minutes ago, justin case said:

is it 400 or 500 Ubon Joe

 

here you say 400 k / 40 k per months and a post above you say 500.000 baht

 

is it a bad thai translation ... do they mean parent of a thai child or parents of the alien ?

 

 

and how is having a wife & child = 400.000 baht

 

but not having a wife, needing 500.000 baht ?

 

 

thai logic ?

An extension as the parent or spouse of a Thai is 400K/40K.

 

An extension as the relative (e.g. parent) of a foreigner with a qualifying extension based on education is 500K.

[Suradit69]

3 hours ago, ThaiBunny said:

Why is the race of the parent a determinant?

Probably because a Thai parent wouldn't be applying for an extension of stay but a farang/foreign parent might.

[gimo]

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

You would be applying for an extension of stay based upon being the parent of a Thai not retirement.

For an extension based upon being the parent of a Thai you have the option of 400k baht in a Thai bank or proof of 40k baht monthly income.

         Thanks Ubon Joe . That's very good news.

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, elviajero said:

There is no extension that you apply for on the basis of dependency, It is based on relationship.

 

If your child has the correct extension of stay based on education you can apply for an extension as their parent. The parent effectively piggybacks the child’s stay. There is no limit on the age of the child in education. You, as the parent, require 500K in the bank. 

 

There is an age limit of 20 if a foreign child wants an extension to visit their family or foreign parent with a qualifying permission to stay. The child effectively piggybacks the parents stay.

 

Sorry, I should have made it clear I was talking about a child with one falang parent and one Thai parent - like my 12-year-old daughter who has dual nationality. But thanks for your helpful contribution.

[Krataiboy]

5 hours ago, ThaiBunny said:

Why is the race of the parent a determinant?

See my reply to fishtank.

 

[elviajero]

20 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Sorry, I should have made it clear I was talking about a child with one falang parent and one Thai parent - like my 12-year-old daughter who has dual nationality. But thanks for your helpful contribution.

As your daughter is Thai you can get an extension of stay regardless of how old she is. There is no age limit,

[Rawairat]

For me as a divorced single parent supporting my Thai child it was B400,000 plus lots of paper in Phuket. The decision is made in Bangkok I believe, as you get a one month stay awaiting the final decision.

Not sure on how long the funds have to be in the bank, I was changing from a retirement to dependent visa so had money in for 3 months, just Incase.

[Max69xl]

6 hours ago, justin case said:

is it 400 or 500 Ubon Joe

 

here you say 400 k / 40 k per months and a post above you say 500.000 baht

 

is it a bad thai translation ... do they mean parent of a thai child or parents of the alien ?

 

 

and how is having a wife & child = 400.000 baht

 

but not having a wife, needing 500.000 baht ?

 

 

thai logic ?

The boss for Key Visa Co in Pattaya said 400k. Who's correct? 

[Max69xl]

6 hours ago, elviajero said:

There is no extension that you apply for on the basis of dependency, It is based on relationship.

 

If your child has the correct extension of stay based on education you can apply for an extension as their parent. The parent effectively piggybacks the child’s stay. There is no limit on the age of the child in education. You, as the parent, require 500K in the bank. 

 

There is an age limit of 20 if a foreign child wants an extension to visit their family or foreign parent with a qualifying permission to stay. The child effectively piggybacks the parents stay.

 

These visas are also called Dependancy or Dependant Visas. 

[elviajero]

6 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

These visas are also called Dependancy or Dependant Visas. 

By whom. Example?

[elviajero]

15 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

The boss for Key Visa Co in Pattaya said 400k. Who's correct? 

Not the boss for Key Visa if referring to an extension as the parent of a student. It’s 500K.

[Max69xl]

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

By whom. Example?

Every official visa company in Thailand. Don't you know how to Google? You are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. See this link:

https://iglu.net/dependent-visa-in-thailand-for-a-spouse-or-child/

[Max69xl]

4 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Every official visa company in Thailand. Don't you know how to Google? You are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. See this link:

https://iglu.net/dependent-visa-in-thailand-for-a-spouse-or-child/

Another one:

https://gam-legalalliance.com/services/immigration/thai-visas/thai-dependent-visa/

[elviajero]

3 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Every official visa company in Thailand. Don't you know how to Google? You are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. See this link:

https://iglu.net/dependent-visa-in-thailand-for-a-spouse-or-child/

Show me something from the MFA or IB that states visas or extensions are issued based on dependency.

 

They are issued based on relationship, not dependency, regardless what some misinformed might call it.

 

I don’t need google as I’ve been advising on this stuff for years. 

 

Are you another that resorts to petty insult!

[elviajero]

16 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Another one:

https://gam-legalalliance.com/services/immigration/thai-visas/thai-dependent-visa/

MFA

3. NON-IMMIGRANT VISA
	1. REQUIREMENT   This type of visa is issued to applicants who wish to enter the Kingdom for the following purposes:   - to perform official duties (Category "F")   - to conduct business / to work (Category "B")   - to invest with the concurrence of the Thai Ministries and Government Departments concerned (Category "IM")   - to invest or perform other activities relating to investment, subject to the provision of the established laws on investment promotion (Category "IB")   - to study, to come on a work study tour or observation tour , to participate in projects or seminars , to attend a conference or training course , to study as a foreign Buddhist monk (Category "ED")   - to work as a film-producer, journalist or reporter (Category "M")   - to perform missionary work or other religious activities with the concurrence of the Thai Ministries or Government Departments concerned (Category "R")   - to conduct scientific research or training or teaching in a research institute (Category "RS")   - to undertake skilled work or to work as an expert or specialist (Category "EX")   - other activities (Category "O") as follows: to stay with the family, to perfrom duties for the state enterprise or social welfare organizations, to stay after retirement for the elderly, to receive medical treatment, to be a sport coach as required by Thai Government, to be a contestant or witness for the judicial process.

Where in the above does it mention anything about a dependent visa?