53 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Then JRM shouldn’t have blocked the withdrawal Agreement. Apparently, for some people “Leave” meant leaving without a deal, for others, leaving with a deal. And you will never be able to respect all of them, as you can clearly see. 

Circles, you are going round and round with the same ol' invented stuff....????

3 minutes ago, transam said:

So in your opinion the Magna Carta is null and void...?

King john Boris says no but its not up to him anymore by the look of it????

On 9/5/2019 at 11:23 PM, Scot123 said:

Do you think so? We the people do not want a deal, we want out. 

There you go - why debate this further? Xenophobia laid bare. 

 

‘We the people do not want a deal’ cry the leavers - (with the largest trading bloc in the world) 

 

Absolute proof the future prosperity of the country is not important to a leaver - Johnny Foreigner has to go that’s all that matters. 

 

 

On 9/6/2019 at 8:22 PM, vogie said:

But playing politics with our future at stake was not a good choice for Corbyn, he will now pay the price.

Irony personified 

 

Leavers want to crash out of the largest trading bloc in the world and that isn't playing party politics with the U.K. future at stake ???

 

Honest question to leavers - why is crashing out with no deal a preferable option to getting a deal ? genuinely interested to know, but pls answer from an economical standpoint. 

 

Let’s try to move this on from the my dads bigger than your dad mentality - thks 

3 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Irony personified 

 

Leavers want to crash out of the largest trading bloc in the world and that isn't playing party politics with the U.K. future at stake ???

 

Honest question to leavers - why is crashing out with no deal a preferable option to getting a deal ? genuinely interested to know, but pls answer from an economical standpoint. 

 

Let’s try to move this on from the my dads bigger than your dad mentality - thks 

Pass that message on to a couple of your mates...

Flames also bickering and baiting posts removed also replies

21 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Irony personified 

 

Leavers want to crash out of the largest trading bloc in the world and that isn't playing party politics with the U.K. future at stake ???

 

Honest question to leavers - why is crashing out with no deal a preferable option to getting a deal ? genuinely interested to know, but pls answer from an economical standpoint. 

 

Let’s try to move this on from the my dads bigger than your dad mentality - thks 

After 3 years of our esteemed politicians trying to negate our decision to leave the EU, it must be very hard to even consider that "crashing out" is the expression to use, it seems more like "seeping through' would you like extensions to be pleaded for ad infinitum, the whole charade should have been done and dusted by now, but the remainer legions in parliament have decided they don't want to recognise the wishes of our countrymen.

Crashing out, your words, has been made easier for Boris with the No-deal option being taken off the table, another brilliant idea by our 'havn't got a clue how to negotiate' MPs, but there again, they had no intention of leaving the EU in the first place, they lied.

Whether we crash out or not do you honestly think that the EU will not want to trade with us, it's total beggars belief.

46 minutes ago, transam said:

Circles, you are going round and round with the same ol' invented stuff....????

I’m just replying to whining Brexiteers. I think they’re the ones going in circles with their never ending “our democratic wish is being overturned” ???? 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Some people this, some people that, pure conjecture, it doesn't alter the fact that it said leave.

Reality shows you it’s not “pure conjecture”. If it was “pure conjecture” you would have left already. JRM voting against May’s deal and keeping you in the EU is certainly not “pure conjecture”, so is other people voting against no-deal. 

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I’m just replying to whining Brexiteers. I think they’re the ones going in circles with their never ending “our democratic wish is being overturned” ???? 

No you are not, it is you and others that refuse to accept the UK voted to leave the EU...A simple fact...

Yet all I read is the vote went that way because MP's lied, well if they did why didn't the MP's that don't lie come forward and Scream at the time....

They didn't did they...?

 

When Cameron told folk the referendum is binding, why didn't the LAW MAKERS and REMAIN MP's SCREAM.....THAT is a LIE....

 

They didn't did they.....?

Just now, welovesundaysatspace said:

Reality shows you it’s not “pure conjecture”. If it was “pure conjecture” you would have left already. JRM voting against May’s deal and keeping you in the EU is certainly not “pure conjecture”, so is other people voting against no-deal. 

I don't think you understand that MP's thwarted Brexit for one reason or another..May's deal would have left the UK still under the EU apron..

Just now, welovesundaysatspace said:

Reality shows you it’s not “pure conjecture”. If it was “pure conjecture” you would have left already. JRM voting against May’s deal and keeping you in the EU is certainly not “pure conjecture”, so is other people voting against no-deal. 

So now you are moving away from what we were talking about, the referendum leaflet and what was not on it, a tactic used frequently by remainers.

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

So now you are moving away from what we were talking about, the referendum leaflet and what was not on it, a tactic used frequently by remainers.

You are the one claiming that the ambiguity of the ballot paper somehow meant everyone voted for the same thing and there was and is no misunderstanding. Reality shows you it’s not the case and “simply leave” doesn’t exist in practice (otherwise you would have left already). 

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You are the one claiming that the ambiguity of the ballot paper somehow meant everyone voted for the same thing and there was and is no misunderstanding. Reality shows you it’s not the case and “simply leave” doesn’t exist in practice (otherwise you would have left already). 

Gawd.....????

 

The reason we ain't gone is the MP's, not the electorate....

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Gawd.....????

 

The reason we ain't gone is the MP's, not the electorate....

The reason is because there are people who voted leave but want a deal and others who voted leave but don’t want a deal, and that it’s impossible to satisfy both at the same time. And it doesn’t matter whether those people have the job of an MP or not. 

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You are the one claiming that the ambiguity of the ballot paper somehow meant everyone voted for the same thing and there was and is no misunderstanding. Reality shows you it’s not the case and “simply leave” doesn’t exist in practice (otherwise you would have left already). 

Brexiteer logic is to quote something that is written in black and white on the ballot paper.

 

Remainer logic is to quote something from their imagination that they would have liked to have been on the ballot paper.

 

And with that M'Lud I conclude my case.

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The reason is because there are people who voted leave but want a deal and others who voted leave but don’t want a deal, and that it’s impossible to satisfy both at the same time. And it doesn’t matter whether those people have the job of an MP or not. 

I give up....

6 minutes ago, transam said:

I give up....

Convince a remainer that he's dead wrong? It'd be easier to insert a lump of hut butter in the a** of a wildcat with a pair of knitting needles...

9 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Convince a remainer that he's dead wrong? It'd be easier to insert a lump of hut butter in the a** of a wildcat with a pair of knitting needles...

You know, after all these years on TVF I haven't got one person on ignore, but I am slowly coming to the conclusion that I should with daft folk. One today called me uneducated....????

When with his view on things he should have said 17+ million UK folk are uneducated....

25 minutes ago, transam said:

I give up....

That's what he wants you to do.

 

Just stick him on your ignore list and don't bother to answer him at all.

 

I did a couple of months ago, and since then my blood pressure is back to normal. 

 

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

That's what he wants you to do.

 

Just stick him on your ignore list and don't bother to answer him at all.

 

I did a couple of months ago, and since then my blood pressure is back to normal. 

 

Depends on how daft the daftness gets......????

1 hour ago, transam said:

 

 

46 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The reason is because there are people who voted leave but want a deal and others who voted leave but don’t want a deal, and that it’s impossible to satisfy both at the same time. And it doesn’t matter whether those people have the job of an MP or not. 

The majority voted for leave EU.

Its up to future governments to make new deals with US, EU, Switerland, Norway, India, China, Asean.....

1 minute ago, DanielS said:

 

The majority voted for leave EU.

Its up to future governments to make new deals with US, EU, India, China, Asean.....

And stop paying huge amounts to bolster other countries that have very different lives to the UK, which is probably the reason they need bolstering...

1 hour ago, transam said:

When Cameron told folk the referendum is binding, why didn't the LAW MAKERS and REMAIN MP's SCREAM.....THAT is a LIE....

Because he never used the word binding. However he did promise that people would be given the opportunity to vote on the withdrawal agreement, once it haqd been finalised.

12 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Because he never used the word binding. However he did promise that people would be given the opportunity to vote on the withdrawal agreement, once it haqd been finalised.

Are you blind, are you deaf, did you not have a television, are you using my word "binding" as not to mean Camerons words.. something like... it is up to the voting populace to vote leave or remain, what you vote will be implemented...?

 

Now sunbeam, you are on the ropes, you have been put on the canvas a few times, time to stay down as your guard has gone and the ribbing will take it's toll...

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you blind, are you deaf, did you not have a television, are you using my word "binding" as not to mean Camerons words.. something like... it is up to the voting populace to vote leave or remain, what you vote will be implemented...?

 

Now sunbeam, you are on the ropes, you have been put on the canvas a few times, time to stay down as your guard has gone and the ribbing will take it's toll...

Oh the vitriol! You must be desparate, time to change your underpants.

 

There's a world of difference between "binding" and "promising to implement" which was never his promise to make.

 

The referendum was non-binding by law, it was advisory. Cameron could have made the referendum binding by inserting that clause in the bill to enable a referendum, but he didn't, therefore it remained advisory, as all other referendums.

10 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Oh the vitriol! You must be desparate, time to change your underpants.

 

There's a world of difference between "binding" and "promising to implement" which was never his promise to make.

 

The referendum was non-binding by law, it was advisory. Cameron could have made the referendum binding by inserting that clause in the bill to enable a referendum, but he didn't, therefore it remained advisory, as all other referendums.

So WHY didn't the remain camp come out fighting in the lead up to the vote shouting Cameron is not telling the truth, you cannot leave if you vote leave....

 

WHY.....?

14 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Oh the vitriol! You must be desparate, time to change your underpants.

 

There's a world of difference between "binding" and "promising to implement" which was never his promise to make.

 

The referendum was non-binding by law, it was advisory. Cameron could have made the referendum binding by inserting that clause in the bill to enable a referendum, but he didn't, therefore it remained advisory, as all other referendums.

Think you have been counted out....Sorry..

8 minutes ago, transam said:

So WHY didn't the remain camp come out fighting in the lead up to the vote shouting Cameron is not telling the truth, you cannot leave if you vote leave....

 

WHY.....?

Because Cameron was the remain camp! 555.

 

That's my biggest beef about the whole process. No effective remain campaign. Cameron's heart wasn't in it, he thought that he just had to turn up and remain would win. Completely ineffective.

 

Corbyn, a lifelong Brexiteer, just sat on the fence with both feet dangling in the Brexit camp.

 

Meanwhile, the Brexit camp lied, cheated and pulled every stunt in the book, completely unchallenged.

 

14 minutes ago, transam said:

Think you have been counted out....Sorry..

In your dreams "sunbeam". You're just being "daft". "Out means out" 555