Can foreigner on retirement visa apply for gun permit

[alant]

21 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

IIRC towards the latter part of last year. Changes the rules including blocking the issuing of permits to foreigners.

thank you must update.

[fredge45]

On 9/15/2019 at 4:55 PM, haymanpl said:

Why is it so bias in favor of Thais?

 

So Thai's can have guns to protect themselves but foreigners who live here permanently cannot?

Nothing personal for sure but...

 

First off... you are a guest in Thailand.  This is Thailand just in case you haven't tweaked on to the fact.  This allows the citizens of the country to make and pass laws as they see fit.  Your being here means nothing to the citizens.

 

Secondly, having a gun at hand means nothing in the myth of "protecting" yourself.  An excellent article dispelling the myth is here:  https://www.alternet.org/2019/09/there-is-no-good-guy-with-a-gun-inside-the-gun-lobbys-most-pernicious-myth/amp/?fbclid=IwAR2BlsWB4MFZJAtqRs9QiDzZKvDCkxhr9gZZfgus5Ukj7jpO3344S-fMSic

 

If you are that insecure that you need some metal device to extend your 'member' then go to 'merica and join the fool gun nuts there.

[Catoni]

18 hours ago, Russell17au said:

There are many different systems that you could use like security systems for doors and windows that stop any intruder from entering, which is a lot better and safer than having a gun in the house. I used to be licenced and carry a Smith and Wesson .38 special for 10 years and then upgraded to a Gloc G19 gen 5 for 5 years until I retired from the industry. I have yet to see anyone be able to recognize anyone in the dark room, all you see is an outline and you cannot recognize them but you are willing to shoot that shadow. What if it is one of your children? What if some other member of the family gets their hands on the gun and plays with it until it fires and kills them? How many of you have looked along the top of the barrel at a human shadow and actually pulled that trigger knowing that you have just killed someone?

“...you are willing to shoot that shadow.”

   Huh?  Where did you get the idea I am willing to shoot at a shadow? You think I’m not going to have my flashlight in a dark area of my house? 

     You back up behind a corner, tell the shadow you are armed, and to either identify themselves or leave.

    My children know how to speak. And they know the rules of the house.  

   You are also a shadow to the shadow. 

    Anyone who simply shoots a quiet shadows in their house that have not been identified should not own firearms. Should not own bows and arrows either as far as I’m concerned. Bows and arrows kill also. 

   ALWAYS know your target and also what is beyond your target. There is no ignoring that rule. 

    I’m sorry if your scenario doesn’t sound very realistic to me. Yes, I’ve owned handguns also. Well trained.  Also had archery lessons and used bows. 

      Shooting for more than half a century. 

Edited September 17, 2019 by Catoni
Addition.

[Catoni]

18 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

I am not your pal, are you still a Scout? Did they tell you to use it on humans?

Okay then...”comrade”.  Yeah I guess you are some kind of smart _ _ _ !

  Where did I say I would use my knife on humans? 

    ????

[Catoni]

17 hours ago, PatOngo said:

For all the gun obsessed, let me recommend this...…...….........

 

Try it on yourself first. 

[Catoni]

18 hours ago, ancharee said:

Not true there have only been approx. 20 of these defensive shootings in the last 5 years and were covered by the media, Unfortunately a couple of warriors on this thread are having Walter Mitty syndrome.

Not true! We’re talking defensive shootings in the U.S. right?

      The fact that you claim only 20 defensive shootings in five years were reported by the media, and that you believe that’s all that took place, proves my point. 

    The media ignores the vast majority of defensive shootings and the few they do report, they tend to print somewhere in the middle of the paper in a tiny little part column.

  Quote: 

“During that five-year period, (2007 -2011) the Department of Justice confirmed a total of 338,700 defensive gun uses in both violent attacks and property crimes where a victim was involved. That equals an average of 67,740 defensive gun uses every year. In other words, according to the Justice Department’s own statistics, 67,740 people a year don’t become victims because they own a gun. (I suspect that if more states allowed concealed carry to be widespread, the number of instances of defensive gun uses would be even higher.)” FEE

https://fee.org/articles/more-people-use-a-gun-in-self-defense-each-year-than-die-in-car-accidents/

 

Edited September 17, 2019 by Catoni
Correction

[Catoni]

15 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Scared = It means I respect firearms and think before I use them. It is like you don't point one at anyone even unloaded or walk with it pointed down at your foot, or even after picking up one not to first checking the chamber with safety on.. 

No, I do agree training and knowledge of firearms is essential, but I just don't think the majority of Thai people are up to it to be legally able to have them. For foreigners having them here, I actually have no problem with that if they are trained and if the country allowed.

Respecting the weapon is one thing. 

 

   But if you are scared of them, you should not own them or be around them. 

    You are confusing the words “scared” and “respect” . 

    They are not the same thing. 

[Catoni]

12 hours ago, fishtank said:

Why on earth would anyone want a gun?

Must be American

Oh here we go with the anti-American   Xenophobic poster.

    I happen to be Canadian and have owned many rifles, pistols and a shotgun. I was raised with guns by my father and grandfather and uncles. All of them had guns. Yeah...in Canada. We were freedom loving and law-abiding Canadians. 

    Maybe we should have lived in the U.S. eh??? 

    Yes, followed all the Canadian laws on purchasing and owning guns, and took lots of weapons courses. Even owned one of those nasty evil looking black Colt AR-15’s in 5.56mm (.223)

    Maybe I grew up too close to the U.S. border? 55555 ????????

[PatOngo]

33 minutes ago, Catoni said:

Try it on yourself first. 

God bless America!

[Catoni]

1 minute ago, PatOngo said:

God bless America!

As a Canadian, I’d hate to think what would’ve happened to Canada if instead of having the U.S. as a next door neighbor...we instead had communist China or the U.S.S.R or Nazi Germany, or Iran or any of a lot of other countries as a neighbor. 

    Canada would not exist as we know it today.

   So as a Canadian, I say “Thank you to the United States of America...and God bless America.”

[Catoni]

12 hours ago, DavisH said:

Don't be a fool. You muast be a Yank. Your gun must be securely locked. Not under your bloody pillow. Even if you do manage to poitn your weapon at an intruder, you will most likely be shot to death. You and your wife and kids. Hopefeully YOU as well, as you will not be able to livel with yourself if they are murdered. 

You sound like a liberal/socialist. 

     You don’t know much about handgun lock boxes that can be opened in less than two seconds by the owner do you.

    Why would he most likely be shot to death? Why wouldn’t the criminal intruder be shot instead? 

    I’m tired of hearing stories about unarmed victims of home invasions who were murdered by crazy killers and had no gun to defend themselves. Sorry, the police can’t always arrive in three minutes to save you. 

[holy cow cm]

18 minutes ago, Catoni said:

Respecting the weapon is one thing. 

 

   But if you are scared of them, you should not own them or be around them. 

    You are confusing the words “scared” and “respect” . 

    They are not the same thing. 

My Quote: Honestly guns scare me to the point of even realizing that if you shoot, that bullet is going more than 10 yards.

 

Outcome of the shot by handling recklessly or not thinking smartly by people scares me. Let's just drop it. 

 

There are a lot of people out there even on this forum who are closely or have been closely acquainted with guns. One of my favorites growing up was a 30.30 lever action. Probably still is for how fun. In Thailand I have no need for one and so should most foreigners under most circumstances. And if any one even the foreigner has the need to have one, I surely hope that they get proper gun education and training. 

[VocalNeal]

6 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

My Quote: Honestly guns scare me to the point of even realizing that if you shoot, that bullet is going more than 10 yards.

When a child my father was into target shooting. I still remember that on the box of bullets I found (from Google I believe .22 LR) it stated "lethal up to 2 miles.  

[ravip]

On 9/15/2019 at 3:25 PM, haymanpl said:

Why is it so bias in favor of Thais?

 

So Thai's can have guns to protect themselves but foreigners who live here permanently cannot?

Should one move to a country where he/she needs a gun for protection?

????

[PatOngo]

38 minutes ago, Catoni said:

As a Canadian, I’d hate to think what would’ve happened to Canada if instead of having the U.S. as a next door neighbor...we instead had communist China or the U.S.S.R or Nazi Germany, or Iran or any of a lot of other countries as a neighbor. 

    Canada would not exist as we know it today.

   So as a Canadian, I say “Thank you to the United States of America...and God bless America.”

 

38 minutes ago, Catoni said:

 

Thankfully I don't share your insecurity!

 

 

Edited September 17, 2019 by PatOngo

[Catoni]

23 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

When a child my father was into target shooting. I still remember that on the box of bullets I found (from Google I believe .22 LR) it stated "lethal up to 2 miles.  

    Yes, I remember seeing that message on the boxes of .22 ammo as early as the 1950’s when I was a kid being taught to shoot. We were taught to be always aware of our target, and what was beyond the target.

            In more than 60 years of shooting....none of my family, friends or me have had any problem with our guns, except for leftist politicians and busybody socialists wanting to disarm us, plunder our guns using force if necessary. 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Catoni
Addition

[Catoni]

22 hours ago, PatOngo said:

 

Thankfully I don't share your insecurity!

 

 

It’s not a feeling of insecurity. It’s a knowledge of geopolitics and the History of the 20th century. 

             It doesn’t take genius to figure out what would have happened to Canada, IF instead of being the U.S.’s neighbor through the 20th century ...Canada had been the neighbor of Germany, Japan, the U.S.S.R. or Communist China instead. 

    Only an idiot would not be able to figure out what would have happened to Canada. And it wouldn’t have been very nice. 

    Thankfully Canada had the U.S. for a neighbor....a wonderful great neighbor....a great friend.

   Yes, God bless the U.S.A.

 

[ancharee]

On ‎9‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 8:57 AM, Catoni said:

The media ignores the vast majority of defensive shootings and the few they do report, they tend to print somewhere in the middle of the paper in a tiny little part column.

That's strange, if the media print a tiny part in a paper, are you saying that nobody with a mobile phone was around to video or take photos, happens all the time now.

[Dolmance]

If you're hanging about in places where you feel the need to pack, you're probably up to no good.  In my neighborhood in Amphoe San Sai, I have never seen anyone do anything more antisocial than speeding.  In fact, I don't think I've ever seen anyone littering. 

 

I've never been to the areas where the sex trade is centered, that Pattaya place, but I've seen enough on YouTube to know, if I was hanging around in Pattaya, I'd want a gun too.  Fortunately, I confine my search for women to divorced jungle soccer moms I meet when taking my laundry in to be cleaned, or buying food or ice coffee outside the 7/11.  There's no pimps involved, thank God.  I feel as safe here as I do in Tokyo, one of the safest cities on earth.

[wilcopops]

On 9/15/2019 at 4:55 PM, haymanpl said:

Why is it so bias in favor of Thais?

 

So Thai's can have guns to protect themselves but foreigners who live here permanently cannot?

so foreigners can buy guns in the USA?

[hansnl]

On 9/15/2019 at 4:53 PM, Lagavulin said:

No. Foreigners are no longer allowed to buy guns.

Depends where you need the gun for. Sportshooting might do.

[hansnl]

On 9/15/2019 at 6:15 PM, sirineou said:

Absolutely right. Possessing a gun  puts you in a aggressive posture and makes it much more likely that you would be hurt. 

I know  that not having a gun makes you safer is counter intuitive but it is absolutely true, which is why the NRA does not want and desperately tries to prevent research on gun related violence. 

With a gun you confront, but you are the good guy, and you are not sure of the alleged  bad guy's intentions (it could be your son sneaking in)  so you inquire. but the bad guy knows your intentions, Right there you are at a distinct disadvantage, 

Hahaha

Nonsense.

[0815]

On 9/15/2019 at 12:33 PM, Matzzon said:

Why do you choose to settle in a country where you feel so unsafe that you need to carry a gun? I am probably stupid, but I thought the whole idea with moving abroad was to get away from problems and get a better life.

Maybe he was used to carry a weapon in his home country. No speculations where this could be ...
I live here in this "dangerous country" since 9 years and never feeled i would need to protect me with a gun. Maybe because I don't come from the same country as he does...

[Matzzon]

24 minutes ago, 0815 said:

Maybe he was used to carry a weapon in his home country. No speculations where this could be ...
I live here in this "dangerous country" since 9 years and never feeled i would need to protect me with a gun. Maybe because I don't come from the same country as he does...

It might be, but it can also be like you have a positive attitude and out of that have the locals like you instead of the opposite.

[sunnyboy2018]

On 9/15/2019 at 11:28 AM, ukrules said:

Permanent residents.

But not citizens. 

[sunnyboy2018]

10 hours ago, hansnl said:

Depends where you need the gun for. Sportshooting might do.

You dont need to own a gun to go hunting.  This is a provocative troll thread trying to promote gun violence values.

[sunnyboy2018]

10 hours ago, hansnl said:

Hahaha

Nonsense.

Less nonsense than needing to carry a gun.

[ylmiri]

On 9/15/2019 at 7:19 PM, BestB said:

For the same reason why thai pay 20 baht and foreigners pay 200

How much do you make in an hour? How much the Thai makes in an hour?

If a Thai pay 200 baht he will starve or his family will starve too. Do you want to see that? Please 200 baht is nothing to you. You should pay 280 baht, the 80 for prayut chan ocha, because he so graciously allow you to stay in Thailand that's why.

Thailand belongs to the Thais so they make the rules. I can't be wrong.

[amexpat]

On 9/18/2019 at 11:01 AM, Dolmance said:

if I was hanging around in Pattaya, I'd want a gun too.  Fortunately, I confine my search for women to divorced jungle soccer moms I meet when taking my laundry in to be cleaned, or buying food

Absolutely!  We who don't conform to your idea of proper sexual behavior are very, very, dangerous killers.

 

We'd be rapists too, but it's less messy to just pay cash. 

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎9‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 9:02 AM, Catoni said:

It’s not a feeling of insecurity. It’s a knowledge of geopolitics and the History of the 20th century. 

             It doesn’t take genius to figure out what would have happened to Canada, IF instead of being the U.S.’s neighbor through the 20th century ...Canada had been the neighbor of Germany, Japan, the U.S.S.R. or Communist China instead. 

    Only an idiot would not be able to figure out what would have happened to Canada. And it wouldn’t have been very nice. 

    Thankfully Canada had the U.S. for a neighbor....a wonderful great neighbor....a great friend.

   Yes, God bless the U.S.A.

 

"God" says: you shall not kill. So why do you need a gun?