13 minutes ago, BestB said:

US and Israel want war with Saudi ? Troll much ?

Not Saudi. Try again, you'll get it.

Evidence from Saudi oil attack points to Iran, not Yemen - U.S. official

 

What evidence?  There is no evidence apart from the direction the drones/missiles came from?

 

How can a government with any credibility....................oh yeah, sorry.

52 minutes ago, alanrchase said:

From the OP.

 

The U.S. official, who asked not to be named, said on Sunday there were 19 points of impact in the attack on Saudi facilities and that evidence showed the launch area was west-northwest of the targets - the direction of Iraq and Iran - not south from Yemen.

 

My geography was never that good but west-northwest would be more from the direction of Israel than Iran wouldn't it?

Yes, this is correct. To blame Iran shooting from the southern border area of Iraq, the missiles would have to come from a nnw direction not wnw.

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There was a time when we believed what American officials told us.

That time was long ago.

We all know why the Americans want to blame. And what a surprise, they blame exactly them.

 

Obviously I don't know who attacked. It might have been Iran. But maybe not. Who believes serial liars?

 

The problem is the Iranian regime are also serial liars. So unless or until someone offers irrefutable proof, they are still the most likely suspects.

5 hours ago, webfact said:

A senior Revolutionary Guards commander warned that the Islamic Republic was ready for "full-fledged" war

and then he changed his under wear.

18 minutes ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

A Middle East war would be a disaster that would effect the whole region.

 

Er, well yes. A war in the ME would likely effect the ME region!

3 hours ago, alfalfa19 said:

and we should blindly believe it because the US says so.  

I say to hell with any Country other than the USA, ungrateful bunch the lot of you. We are Exporters of oil, we'll just laugh our asses off when your eventually paying 20 bucks a liter. 

23 minutes ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

A Middle East war would be a disaster that would effect the whole region.

US and Israel want war in the Middle East ?

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Evidence from Saudi oil attack points to Iran, not Yemen - U.S. official

And evidence from any reprisals will point to US rockets and bombs, not Saudi. - non-U.S. skeptic

 

Chances are they won't be fired at Yemen either.

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There was a time when we believed what American officials told us.

That time was long ago.

Ah the good old days! recall them well, days when the "media" was there to keep us informed (we thought) not control us with left wing nonsense!

For a while you could go to google and get an answer to your "research" that was believable, now the result is filtered, for our own good of course!!! with advertisements deemed applicable based on the massive databases they have built on each and every one of us that were stupid enough to trust them!

The finest minds in the world are focused on getting us to "click" - sad 

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Nations don't loose credibility. Politicians who control nations do things which in history are shown up for what they are.

Not often, i think.

As you know very well, history is written by the winners.

20 minutes ago, newatthis said:

Yes, this is correct. To blame Iran shooting from the southern border area of Iraq, the missiles would have to come from a nnw direction not wnw.

The Houthis thanked their allies including Iran and “intelligence cooperation from people inside Saudi Arabia”

 

The drones, like previous ones, came from INSIDE Saudi.

22 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The problem is the Iranian regime are also serial liars. So unless or until someone offers irrefutable proof, they are still the most likely suspects.

Until there is proof the most likely suspects are the ones who claimed responsibility.

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

The Houthis thanked their allies including Iran and “intelligence cooperation from people inside Saudi Arabia”

 

The drones, like previous ones, came from INSIDE Saudi.

But the US official denied that they were drones; rather they were missiles.

17 minutes ago, newatthis said:

But the US official denied that they were drones; rather they were missiles.

So Houthi drones morph overnight into Iranian missiles... according to a 'US official' (who probably spoke on conditions of anonymity as he/she isn't authorized to comment on such matters).

 

Either way, the 'Iranian missiles' came from INSIDE SAUDI.

Edited September 16, 20196 yr by NanLaew

5 hours ago, webfact said:

 

The U.S. official, who asked not to be named, said on Sunday there were 19 points of impact in the attack on Saudi facilities and that evidence showed the launch area was west-northwest of the targets - the direction of Iraq and Iran - not south from Yemen.

West-NorthWest. 

 

So, I got out my sharpie and a map of the Middle East...

 

1 hour ago, alanrchase said:

From the OP.

 

The U.S. official, who asked not to be named, said on Sunday there were 19 points of impact in the attack on Saudi facilities and that evidence showed the launch area was west-northwest of the targets - the direction of Iraq and Iran - not south from Yemen.

 

My geography was never that good but west-northwest would be more from the direction of Israel than Iran wouldn't it?

No.

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No.

Why not?

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No.

You mean, oh hell yes.

2 hours ago, fxe1200 said:

With the strong presence of the American Navy in the Persian Gulf, ten drones flown from Iran would have been detected, their flight path traced and the drones shot down. Therefore the Yanks must have been either asleep, or the drones took a different pass, from Israel, Yemen, or wherever.

Not necessarily.

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

You mean, oh hell yes.

No.

I think you could probably throw an election happening tomorrow into the mix here.

12 minutes ago, newatthis said:

Why not?

My bad. Sorry. Yes possible. But if these were steerable missiles they could have come from anywhere. 

Edited September 16, 20196 yr by nauseus

2 hours ago, BestB said:

Did you read the OP? Attacks came from different direction and exactly like you said , why not demand evidence instead of threatening to go to war. Not defend its position , not defend itself but go to war 

I read it as Iran stating they are prepared for a war of defence given the direct accusation by the US.

There are many players in the chaos in the middle east but Iran as the convenient fall guy for almost all blame is aware of the potential for a major escalation.

 

 

1 hour ago, CGW said:

Ah the good old days! recall them well, days when the "media" was there to keep us informed (we thought) not control us with left wing nonsense!

For a while you could go to google and get an answer to your "research" that was believable, now the result is filtered, for our own good of course!!! with advertisements deemed applicable based on the massive databases they have built on each and every one of us that were stupid enough to trust them!

The finest minds in the world are focused on getting us to "click" - sad 

Ah yes ! The "in bed" media. The sanitized bed sheets of justification !

Now we are in the  era of "simulated" coverage  to save us from  doubt ...no doubt !

 

Here is a google maps screenshot of Abqaiq.  The area to the lower right is the Aramco Plant.  Is that where the missiles struck?  (Remember that no casualties were reported.)  If so, 12 - 19 cruise missiles/drones flew over 1000 km and all hit their targets so precisely that they missed the residential areas about 1 km away.  Is this level of accuracy typical of N. Korean designed/Iranian built missiles?

3 minutes ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Here is a google maps screenshot of Abqaiq.  The area to the lower right is the Aramco Plant.  Is that where the missiles struck?  (Remember that no casualties were reported.)  If so, 12 - 19 cruise missiles/drones flew over 1000 km and all hit their targets so precisely that they missed the residential areas about 1 km away.  Is this level of accuracy typical of N. Korean designed/Iranian built missiles?

Well they were reported to be drones. And certainly they can operate with pinpoint accuracy. And if missiles with GPS to guide them, why couldn't they be that accurate? It isn't just consumer electronics that get cheaper and more capable with the passing of time.

56 minutes ago, otherstuff1957 said:

West-NorthWest. 

 

So, I got out my sharpie and a map of the Middle East...

 

 

Flight path of many (if not most) cruise missiles can be programmed. With later models, it can be altered during flight as well. Assuming the WNW direction reference was correct, it would make sense to try and steer clear of the Gulf due to higher chances of detection (plus covering obvious tracks). Knowing where and how air defenses were positioned would have been factored in as well.

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There was a time when we believed what American officials told us.

That time was long ago.

We all know why the Americans want to blame. And what a surprise, they blame exactly them.

 

Obviously I don't know who attacked. It might have been Iran. But maybe not. Who believes serial liars?

 

Pretending to speak for "we", again.

Alluding to unspecified "known" reasons, again.

Ignoring the fact that "serial liars" would describe the Iranian regime as well, check.

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

Pretending to speak for "we", again.

Alluding to unspecified "known" reasons, again.

Ignoring the fact that "serial liars" would describe the Iranian regime as well, check.

Well, we don't see much from Iranian media, do we ?

Not that i fully trust any media from any country, but the good American people should accept the fact that not all people in the world are believing everything.