Teenager Thunberg angrily tells U.N. climate summit 'you have stolen my dreams'

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO that's the problem. Adults are treating her as though she is an adult and actually knows stuff. However, 16 year olds haven't been around long enough to actually know much about anything. They don't have the maturity to know that they don't know anything either.

Well, those adults you refer to, should know better.

It's not fair to attack Greta, she is just a messenger.

[Odysseus123]

10 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, if not for Greta, we (and millions around the globe) would not be having this discussion, so, let's give her at least a little consideration.

She is deserving a lot of respect for her bravery, and she's only 16, can't expect her to think like a 60 yrs old.

Thank god-well..not like some of this bunch,anyway.

 

Actually a great many people are having this type of discussion pretty much every day and that is how pluralistic societies develope and make changes..

 

Sort of like "Well Mr Newton I don't agree with your astrology but I have invested in an apple orchard after reading your Principia..????

[DrTuner]

7 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Well. Obviously overpopulation is at the root of the problem, but i would totally disagree with a forced sterilisation... It would be just ugly.

Hopefully people will grow a higher consciousness to deal with the various issues while respecting individual freedom and rights.

Ain't going to happen. The source of the population growth is now Africa, they are still used to many of the kids dying from disease and/r malnutrition so it's still something crazy like 8+ kids. Efforts to educate the continent have been unsuccesful. The Chinese invasion might actually be beneficial and cut it down some, but still, we're doomed.

 

 

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Thank god-well..not like some of this bunch,anyway.

 

Actually a great many people are having this type of discussion pretty much every day and that is how pluralistic societies develope and make changes..

 

Sort of like "Well Mr Newton I don't agree with your astrology but I have invested in an apple orchard after reading your Principia..????

Exactly ! As Mr. Voltaire used to say: "the world is a horrible mess, but let's tend our garden".

[DrTuner]

4 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

The 'answer' is right there and has been for a long long time.  Nuclear energy to generate electricity is obviously the way to go.  Just look it up in Google and you will see that many years ago it was obviously the way to go - and it still is.  But the same emotional rubbish that was used to create irrational fear in people's minds about nuclear power, is now being used to demand we build 'green' power stations that use solar and are made from elves tits.  All of that irrational rubbish needs to be shut down in mainstream society and pushed back to where it belongs - amongst the fring dwellers of society - the ones that demand we all live in trees/caves and die of appendicitis or tooth decay.  Funny isn't it - the same nutters who are so 'rational' and 'scientific' about Religion and God, are completely irrational and unscientific about nuclear power.  Nuclear generation of electricity using Thorium is an alternative to uranium, and the technology to  use Thorium has been around since the 1960s (but it doesnt make nuclear bombs).  Nuclear Fission is the solution to the world's electricity needs now and Nuclear Fusion is the future.  

Melinda & Bill Gates foundation tried to get their traveling wave test reactor built in US. No go, caught in red tape, so they went with the devil instead and got a deal with China. Trump (correctly) cut it before they could steal all the tech. So right now it's not going anywhere because the greens blocked it. There's your "activists" in action. The only actual action they do is block progress.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TerraPower

[RideJocky]

Well, if not for Greta, we (and millions around the globe) would not be having this discussion, so, let's give her at least a little consideration.
She is deserving a lot of respect for her bravery, and she's only 16, can't expect her to think like a 60 yrs old.

Seems we were having this discussion long before Greta was around.

What makes her any braver than a typical 16 year old? Is she in some danger?

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Melinda & Bill Gates foundation tried to get their traveling wave test reactor built in US. No go, caught in red tape, so they went with the devil instead and got a deal with China. Trump (correctly) cut it before they could steal all the tech. So right now it's not going anywhere because the greens blocked it. There's your "activists" in action. The only actual action they do is block progress.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TerraPower

If what you say is true, i would blame Trump

[DrTuner]

3 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

You have on a number of occasions postulated there are too many people and this is a cause of the current climate problems.

 

So I ask you again, how will you achieve this?

https://populationmatters.org/solutions

 

Plus pay $ for sterilizations, but they are too PC to suggest it, I am not.

[DrTuner]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One world government.

Don't complain if you don't like the answer, and don't say it's not possible. Who knows what will happen if the climate alarmists are correct and the sky does indeed fall and the oceans wash over us?

Ugh. The problem with that is it would very, very likely be a fascist supreme leader government. Yeah I don't like that solution, although for population control history shows it would be effective.

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

 

Seems we were having this discussion long before Greta was around.

What makes her any braver than a typical 16 year old? Is she in some danger?

I was referring specifically to this thread, but yep, i remember being 16 and having discussions about the environment between school and football games.

The typical 16 yrs old, if i can say that, is too self absorbed, careless and selfish to worry about the future of the planet, but i may be wrong, of course.

[DrTuner]

6 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

If what you say is true, i would blame Trump

Well sure everyone blames him anyway, but the reactor project started in 2010 and signed with China 2015, the orange source of everything that's bad in the world got elected 2016. But I'm sure he traveled to the future in a time machine dressed as a green activists to stop it.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Well sure everyone blames him anyway, but the reactor project started in 2010 and signed with China 2015, the orange source of everything that's bad in the world got elected 2016. But I'm sure he traveled to the future in a time machine dressed as a green activists to stop it

Lol, i was kidding of course, and i also think that a one world, socialist government could be a necessary evil, if we want to save the planet.

I'll let you expand on that, if you wish so, the very thought of it makes me scared.

[Franko666]

On 9/24/2019 at 9:53 AM, TooBigToFit said:

I support her. She's sticking it to the same people that ruin everything in the world. We have leaders that don't know about the issues at all. Most of the posters here are old and most old people can't get it. I'm old too but I've always cared about the natural world. Anyways, if this forum had more people in their teens, 20s and 30s, we would be reading a lot more diverse opinions on this.

 

On a related note, this morning I caught a foot long python in my apartment building in Prathumthani. I put in in a container and left to work planning to drop it off in an area where it would have a chance to survive, I drove to the greenest areas nearby and let it go but even there it won't have much of a chance to live without human contact eventually.

The end of the world is nigh. Mmm I’m sue I have heard that one before........

[DrTuner]

6 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Lol, i was kidding of course, and i also think that a one world, socialist government could be a necessary evil, if we want to save the planet.

I'll let you expand on that, if you wish so, the very thought of it makes me scared.

I think Greta is the last and only hope for democracy (ironically, as she's an anarchist), people need to be scared <deleted>less to start educating themselves (and to start suspecting the CO2 is just a money grab, far more pressing issues are at hand) and vote for the hard decisions to be made. Otherwise, yes it's socialism here we come again, I think I'll need to start studying the little red book on how to become the cadre of all cadres, it's good up there, but only up there. The one child policy and the existence of only one kind of telephone in DDR are examples where socialism/communism works, but the rest of it is far too high a price to pay.

 

In other words, we're doomed.

[RideJocky]

I was referring specifically to this thread, but yep, i remember being 16 and having discussions about the environment between school and football games.
The typical 16 yrs old, if i can say that, is too self absorbed, careless and selfish to worry about the future of the planet, but i may be wrong, of course.

Claiming we’ve stolen her dreams seems pretty self absorbed to me.

I seem to recall kids being beaten and killed for protesting, not letting having the red carpet rolled out, made celebrities and being invited to play their chin-music on TV.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

 

Claiming we’ve stolen her dreams seems pretty self absorbed to me.

I seem to recall kids being beaten and killed for protesting, not letting having the red carpet rolled out, made celebrities and being invited to play their chin-music on TV.
 

I'm also quite perplexed by the media farce, i stopped watching TV about 40 yrs ago btw.

But that's not Greta's fault.

It's obvious that the little girl is being used in some way, yet i prefer to look at the positive side of things.

[samran]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘In the last 2 or 3 pages’.

 

In an 83 page thread.

Gives the word 'triggered' new meaning, this thread.

 

[samran]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

OK, so digging a hole under the Nullarbor desert where no one lives is in who's backyard, exactly.

 What, aboriginal land most likely - or don't they count? Nice that you want to plonk it right next to the great artesian basin. Farmers will love you. http://www.agriculture.gov.au/SiteCollectionDocuments/water/gab-map.pdf

 

[Odysseus123]

It is perfectly obvious that Greta is an anarchist ChiCom with a penchant for talking Swedish in her off duty hours-this fact alone should raise suspicions...

 

And,as we are all aware,America has not exactly liked a ChiComs since the day that a regiment of ChiComs-cleverly disguised as Sioux and Cheyenne warriors-wiped out one of their in-house military geniuses at the Battle of the Little Big Horn.

 

It's all one great big conspiracy....

[DrTuner]

11 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

It is perfectly obvious that Greta is an anarchist ChiCom with a penchant for talking Swedish in her off duty hours-this fact alone should raise suspicions...

 

And,as we are all aware,America has not exactly liked a ChiComs since the day that a regiment of ChiComs-cleverly disguised as Sioux and Cheyenne warriors-wiped out one of their in-house military geniuses at the Battle of the Little Big Horn.

 

It's all one great big conspiracy....

Interesting theory, got linkz?

[Odysseus123]

14 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Interesting theory, got linkz?

What's with the Z?????

[brokenbone]

23 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Interesting theory, got linkz?

 

 

original (in a very true sense)

 

[scottiejohn]

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm not interested in links. I can google as well as anyone. As someone that has criticised me for my solution, I want to know what yours is. Do you even have one?

 

Why do you say the China policy failed when it hadn't been going long enough to know? I said that before, but you chose to repeat the same thing. Saying something over and over doesn't make it true.

The fact they abandoned it is ample proof it didn't work.

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/one-child-policy

 

Now again, how would you choose who is allowed to have children?

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, DrTuner said:

https://populationmatters.org/solutions

 

Plus pay $ for sterilizations, but they are too PC to suggest it, I am not.

You don't have to be pc to be against such solutions...

[DrTuner]

1 hour ago, Odysseus123 said:

What's with the Z?????

My best imitation of teenagers on internet. You know, Greta's age. I think I'm out of touch though.

[DrTuner]

46 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You don't have to be pc to be against such solutions...

And that's why we're doomed. Nobody wants to commit to the hardcore solutions that are inevitably going to be needed. Until an evil individual takes advantage of the situation and wrestles into power to turn it all into a fascist system. Humans are mostly incapable of action based on rational thought.

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, DrTuner said:

And that's why we're doomed. Nobody wants to commit to the hardcore solutions that are inevitably going to be needed. Until an evil individual takes advantage of the situation and wrestles into power to turn it all into a fascist system. Humans are mostly incapable of action based on rational thought.

Sterilizing people is not a solution to climate change.

 

You say pay them, what happens when enough people don't volunteer...forced sterilization next.

 

Who then chooses who gets sterilized?

 

What criteria is to be used?

[DrTuner]

4 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

 Anyway the idea that increased population itself is affecting the climate is totally misleading. People in poorer countries where the biggest increases in population occur don't consume huge quantities of fossil fuels. The exception of course is the jungle burning which plagues SEAsia and Brazil most.

And the immigration to countries where they will start using more resources. The population growth in 1st world is still ongoing even with the birth rates below replacement ratio. In US Trump is on it, though. EU also learned a lesson in the last few years.

 

https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/Probabilistic/POP/TOT/840

[DrTuner]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Sterilizing people is not a solution to climate change.

Well... it is to man made climate change. No humans, no man made climate change. Unless you're saying climate is changing without the actions of humans, yup, there I agree 100%.