U.S. House to launch Trump impeachment inquiry over Ukraine controversy

[White Christmas13]

A second person has decided to come forward with corroborating first-hand information about US President Donald Trump’s alleged attempts to pressure Ukraine for personal political gain, ABC News reported on Sunday, US time.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/a-second-whistleblower-comes-forward-with-firsthand-knowledge-of-corruption/news-story/6647fb28366ea4fa100ee2477d5a71b1

 

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Barr has neither confirmed or denied who is being investigated - he is refusing to speculate - but he is investigating.

There was an investigation going in Ukraine that Biden got stopped. Barr is looking into that and many other things to do with Ukraine and the Dems. Remember - the number one donater to the Clinton Foundation was Ukraine - I wonder why??

More deplorable alternative facts.

 

barr has neither confirmed nor denied, he is refusing to speculate.

 

But you take that as confirmation there is an investigation. How odd.

 

Yet again, there was NO investigation in the ukraine that biden got stopped. The prosecutor was sacked because he was NOT investigating. The new prosecutor re opened the investigation.

 

Im not sure of the color of the sky on your planet but Im sure drugs arent helping.

[Jingthing]

I think most Trump supporters don’t want to deflect, I think they want Nancy to call the vote and move ahead with it.

They are still gathering evidence. No need to go too fast or too slow. Pelosi is correctly ignoring the trolling from 45 to rush any votes. His games have stopped working so he's panicking. Look at just today's Twitter feed of 45. Not the stuff of presidents.

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[Tug]

It’s obvious Donald is dirty he has met and exceeded the threshold to be impeached we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg I’m afaraid as this developes and we learn more and more I think it will become apparent that Donald j trump is an enemy of the constitution in that respect he is the enemy of the USA 

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, Tug said:

It’s obvious Donald is dirty he has met and exceeded the threshold to be impeached we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg I’m afaraid as this developes and we learn more and more I think it will become apparent that Donald j trump is an enemy of the constitution in that respect he is the enemy of the USA 

Yes, there is no doubt and history will confirm that 45 is the president most worthy of impeachment in American history. If he isn't impeached may as well flush that constitutionally supported congressional power down the toilet. But that doesn't mean he will be removed by the senate. That's something that has yet to happen to any president. 

[gamb00ler]

 

On 9/25/2019 at 11:20 PM, Tippaporn said:

How is it that Pelosi called for impeachment without ever having any evidence that the accusation was true or false?

 

On 10/1/2019 at 7:41 AM, gamb00ler said:

The depth of your misunderstanding is amazing.  The House has initiated an impeachment INVESTIGATION only.  If sufficient wrongdoing is found, they will then submit articles of impeachment to a House vote.  Sheesh!

On 10/1/2019 at 5:53 PM, Tippaporn said:

The depth of your misunderstanding is amazing.  LOL, because I left out "inquiry"?  Pelosi's intent is to impeach Trump and remove him from office.  You're attempting to make me look stupid on a technicality when the context of my statement is all too well understood.

 

Seriously, sometimes I question myself as to why I even respond to feeble attempts at distortion such as yours.

OK, Tippaporn here's your chance at redemption.  Show us where exactly in your original (1st quote herein) statement that simply adding the word "inquiry" would make it correct.  Pelosi changed her position to one supporting starting an inquiry when the credible and urgent whistle blower complaint (Inspector General's findings) became known.  The inquiry is HOW the House will determine the if the complaint's accusations are true or false.

 

I'm sorry you can't keep up with all your inaccurate knee jerk rant posts.

Edited October 6, 2019 by gamb00ler

[bristolboy]

Interesting news for those who complained about there being onlyl a single 2nd hand source:

Whistleblower’s attorney says team now representing ‘multiple’ officials

 

An attorney for the whistleblower who raised the alarm about President Trump’s communications with Ukraine said Sunday that “multiple” whistleblowers have come forward.

The news, which comes as House Democrats have launched an impeachment inquiry and are subpoenaing the White House for documents, adds to the deepening political crisis facing the president.

“IC WHISTLEBLOWER UPDATE: I can confirm that my firm and my team represent multiple whistleblowers in connection to the underlying August 12, 2019, disclosure to the Intelligence Community Inspector General,” the attorney, Andrew Bakaj, said in a tweet. “No further comment at this time.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/whistleblowers-attorney-says-team-now-representing-multiple-officials/2019/10/06/18b48fec-e83d-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Great post, and so true. I am actually grateful the desperate democrats did the Russia collusion hoax, the Kavanaugh sex crime hoax, and all the other ridiculous hoaxes that crumbled under the slightest scrutiny. Now, if Trump really does have illegal activities he's trying to hide, who will believe a word the democrats say. Their credibility is 100% shot.

 What does this mean? Well for starters it means 4 more years of more minorities in work, cleaning up corruption in politics, spreading peace and love throughout the countries that 44 and 43 bombed and droned into oblivion. More records on the stock markets. It's a great time to be alive. Thanks Donald Trump!!!

I'm not surprised that you like the Russian troll's post.

 

Regarding "cleaning up corruption in politics", please give and example of Trump cleaning up corruption.

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

- Biden's son and Biden are corrupted because Trump says so

 

Biden and his son are accused of corruption because of evidence that exists which points to corruption.  And not because Trump says so.  Do you understand now?

 

- but, Trump needs Ukraine, China , UK and Australia ( maybe others..) to investigate and find proofs

 

The investigations involving Barr's trip to the UK, Australia and Italy are related to the origins of the Russiagate hoax.  They have nothing to do with Biden.

 

- but Trump did not ask foreign nations to investigate a political opponent

 

This is getting silly.  I gave a full, crystal clear explanation in one of my posts above specifically addressing the question and you're reiterating the same point all over again.  I'll answer the question once, not a gadzillion times.  Read my earlier post or not but don't ask me that question again.

 

- even if Zelensky said he would do as asked, China not wanting to meddle into US internal affairs, ...

 

If China cooperates then they cooperate.  If not then not.

 

- even if Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer was sent as fixer,

 

He was sent as a fixer?  Maybe that how you interpret it because that's what you want to believe?  I think so.

 

. . . for Trump did not want to call Ukraine at the first place.. . . . 

 

According to a questionable news source.  I haven't heard anything official that verifies that gossip.  And Forbes won't do as an official source.

 

If there's crime there then go for it.  I'd be all for it.

 

"Biden and his son are accused of corruption because of evidence that exists which points to corruption.  And not because Trump says so.  Do you understand now?"

 

What is this evidence?  Joe Biden doing his job and Hunter Biden taking a job don't count as evidence.

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, walt1953 said:

Let me add a few words to my last post.

Democrats, anty-Trumpers and all haters of another human beings. There will be no impeachment. Even , even you get something in a Congress it will be stopped in Senate. 

Democrats,  you waisting your time , money and you don't do right work in Congress.

All of you dreaming, wishing and seeing Trump removed from White House suggest take a Valum, Xanax or other sedatives to help relax , make a good drink, read a book or watch a movie. It will be good for your health

Here is what McConnell said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mcconnell-fundraises-off-impeachment-says-205928480.html

End of the story.

However,  AG Barr needs to finish his investigations. Whoever will be find breaking law should be punished.

You really need to work on your English Walt, you are only fooling the people who want to be fooled.

[candide]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You really need to work on your English Walt, you are only fooling the people who want to be fooled.

If we translate it back to Russian with an electronic translator, do you think we get correct Russian sentences?

It reminds me of a science fiction book...

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

The Swamp wanted the prosecuter removed for many many reasons - including the unofficial reasons I have mentioned.

But putting all that aside - dont you at least see a potential conflict of interest in Hunter Biden being recently appointed on the Board of the Gas Company being investigated (with nil knowlegde or qualifications of industry) and his father got the prosecution stopped?? Imagine Trump forcing a Prosecuter in Ireland to be removed that was investigating a company where his Son was on the Board - CNN would be screaming corruption and conflict of interest 24x7. 

Don't you at least see a potential conflict of interest in Trump not putting his holdings in a blind trust, promoting his properties from teh office of the President, spending unprecedented amounts of time at his properties which requires the secret service to Trump's properties in order to protect Trump....

 

It's amazing that Trump supporters have such high ethical standards for Democrats and not ethical standards for Trump.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Quote:

 

Biden insists he wanted Viktor Shokin gone because he was corrupt, not because he was investigating Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian company that happened to employ his son Hunter at the time. However, a newly uncovered sworn affidavit tells another story. 

 

"In that statement, Mister Shokin swears under oath he was told he was fired because he refused to drop the Burisma investigation and it made Mister Biden, the vice president, unhappy," The Hill Vice President John Solomon told Sean Hannity on Fox News Thursday.

 

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2019/september/sworn-testimony-ukrainian-prosecutor-fired-because-he-made-biden-unhappy-dems-steamroll-ahead-to-impeach-trump

 

Goodnight all.

 

The fired prosecutor cites unattributed second hand information and it is taken as proof of something.

 

The IG cites the whistle blower report as credible and it is taken as proof of nothing.

 

And Trump supporters wonder why they are not taken seriously.

[englishoak]

56 minutes ago, heybruce said:

And you think that makes Trump above the law and allows him to do anything for the duration of his reign.

 

Thats a wild assumption and sounds pure hyperbole to me, what law  exactly has he broken ?

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

Thats a wild assumption and sounds pure hyperbole to me, what law  exactly has he broken ?

As has been explained countless times, asking a foreign national for election help is illegal.

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, candide said:

By a known conspiration theorist? Lol!

Trump got his start in politics pushing the Obama birther conspiracy, and has successfully turned the Republican party into the conspiracy theory party.

[AussieBob18]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It would help if they were attached to reality, but that’s something that will eventually come to pass.

See you in 2020.

By the way - I predicted Trump winning over crooked Hillary - not you.

But maybe in 2020 you will be right - in which case I will accept I was wrong - and accept the decision of the People.

Will you reciprocate?

 

 

[englishoak]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

As has been explained countless times, asking a foreign national for election help is illegal.

So im sure itll be easy to prove if your correct. However I havnt seen anything about asking for election help, have seen a suggestion to look into a dodgy son and father deal... you dont suppose just for one little moment this is all about the election and that the dems have no one to win in a straight race  so removal on technicalities seems to be all thats left for the dems.. methinks you like the usual media circus are making wild claims without any conviction or proof. 

[AussieBob18]

6 hours ago, RideJocky said:

 

I think most Trump supporters don’t want to deflect, I think they want Nancy to call the vote and move ahead with it.
 

 

Yes.  That is what we want.  By all means bring it on.  But the Dems refuse - they are running yet another fishing expedition - they are running another hanging in search of a crime - so this time it will go to SCOTUS.

 

By the way - do lefties/Dems realise what they are doing?  If/when the GOP ever controls the House when there is a Dem POTUS will be similarly treated and impeached.  Everyone has some baggage - as the great man said: "Let he without sin cast the first stone."  Trump's call was clumsy.  What Obama said was far more deliberate and far worse: "Tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after the election".  In other words 'I cant speak publicly yet, because it will affect the election, but after I get passed that we can do a deal'.  Uranium 1?

 

[candide]

7 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

As per previous answer.  It should be investigated. The conflict is clear and Biden refuses to answer questions and Hunter has gone 'missing'. Barr is investigating the allegations.  Trump was investigated based on allegations (false) as was Kavanagh.  Funny how lefties demand investigations on Trump based on next to nothing - but deny their 'righteous' Dems would ever do anything wrong and to investigate them is a 'crime'. 

Bar is not investigating anything (his own words) because there is no official investigation. I wonder why there isn't any? Let's guess....

[candide]

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Keep repeating, asking a foreign national for election help is illegal, over and over and over again.  No matter how many times you say it it won't become the truth.

 

I would be more precise than the other poster: using the power or influence derived from an official position (such as being head of state) to get election help from a foreign 'government' is illegal.

[Tippaporn]

Jim Jordan will go down in history as one of the key patriots fighting the corruption of the Dems.

 

Hannity regarding the Volker testimony:  "I hear on the scale of 1 to 10 it was a 12 in terms of backfiring on the Democrats, blowing up in their face."  LOL

 

 

[Tippaporn]

BTW, here is the text of Volker's statement:

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/428765582/Full-Statement-from-U-S-Ukraine-Envoy-Ambassador-Kurt-Volker-on-October-3-2019

 

 

[Scott]

Numerous off-topic, inflammatory posts and replies have been removed.   Continued off-topic deflections and inflammatory posts will earn suspensions.   You have been warned.  

 

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, englishoak said:

So im sure itll be easy to prove if your correct. However I havnt seen anything about asking for election help, have seen a suggestion to look into a dodgy son and father deal... you dont suppose just for one little moment this is all about the election and that the dems have no one to win in a straight race  so removal on technicalities seems to be all thats left for the dems.. methinks you like the usual media circus are making wild claims without any conviction or proof. 

Trump turns a conversation about military aid into one in which he makes it clear he wants Joe Biden investigated and you can't connect the dots.

 

Joe Biden implements US policy and gets an incompetent prosecutor removed before more aid is given and frittered away through corruption, and you believe his motives must be corrupt even though no evidence exists.

 

Apparently Trump supporters can't believe anything is real unless it is a conspiracy theory.

[Opl]

And finally agter denial, if I did it there is nothing wrong, it was perfectly perfect, now Trump is a tabloid joke… 

Rep. Jordan suggests Trump was only joking when asking China to investigate the Bidens — despite private plea to Xi

[RideJocky]

They are still gathering evidence. No need to go too fast or too slow. Pelosi is correctly ignoring the trolling from 45 to rush any votes. His games have stopped working so he's panicking. Look at just today's Twitter feed of 45. Not the stuff of presidents.

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Yes, they’ve been gathering it for four years.

This time for sure...

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

 

Yes, they’ve been gathering it for four years.

This time for sure...

 

Brace yourself.

[rabas]

13 hours ago, stevenl said:

No. There was no investigation going on in Ukraine that biden got stopped. Your information is old, not correct, and part of the conspiracy theories doing the rounds.

 

No idea about your other 'facts'.

Your information is old, not correct....

 

It has been changed for you.

 

Just wait for Deep Fakes, coming soon to an election near you.....

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/5/2019 at 8:40 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

The people who cooperated with Trump are going to prison.

Your only response is defection?