Thailand proposes 'big bike' licenses and special bike lanes to help tackle motorcycle death toll

[Isaanbiker]

2 hours ago, Calach said:

I wouldn't mind that they pass new laws that will never be enforced, but if we're supposed to behave like cars in traffic, it would also be fair that we can use the highway. 

I use the highways...........

[Megasin1]

they already have special lanes for motorcycles only - its called the footpath !

[Nyezhov]

3 hours ago, traveller101 said:

You still don't seem to get it ..... how about seriously enforcing the existing laws, such as wearing a helmet, holding a motorcycle license, not driving on the wrong side of the road, adhering to speed limits and traffic lights and functioning breaklights or any lights at all ....... Before ......... 

introducing new laws that judging from experience are without a doubt equally disregarded and not enforced.

Sounds like gun control in the USA.

 

Like I said, baby steps.

[tabarin]

Well they started hanging posters around CM now too with new camera's coming that catch you without helmet and speeding too. 
Chiang Rai does it quite a while already, I always get a picture fine when having visited there.
I think this will be more and more, then they won't need to rely on the police for that part at all + make a lot money. I also saw them start with it in Laos. 

Guess with the current powers, they will very much like to put camera's everywhere, matter of time. Chinese style.

Edited September 25, 2019 by tabarin

[Morty T]

Not exactly sure where they are going with this, they won't even enforce the helmet laws.

[ubon farang]

Ok i just set up a committee to fix it. 100,000 Baht i will be paid everytime i attend it Normal fee here for the talk fest Proposals

 

1/ Make the riders get a license

2/ Make them understand the road rules but actually knowing them

3/ Make them wear a helmet

4/ This is the crunch one   Make the cops enforce the law

5/ Make sure the person is 17 at least before they are allowed to ride a bike

[NokNokJoke]

Enforce the existing laws.

You can start with licenses, and maybe something as extreme as requiring a working taillight

Sent from my Nokia 6.1 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

[Humpy]

Two way m/c traffic along the hard shoulder !  The dual carriageways with a concrete central reservation and 'u' turns every 2 km will only encourage riders to go against the traffic flow rather than a 4 km ride to get to the other carriageway . Most of the bikes are not fit to be on the roads. no wing mirrors, faulty lights, no helmets, no licence, illegal exhausts, no insurance, 4 on a bike, underage , riding while holding a phone or a drink or a brush cutter, and no brain .... the list goes on !!

[Expat68]

Pointless, In Muang Loei more motor bikes along with three wheelers, cars, pickups and even, yes  trucks use the bicycle lanes more than bicycles, what do the police do nothing

[AboutThaim]

21 hours ago, essox essox said:

if bikers DID NOT undertake then some lives JUST MIGHT BE saved.....

And look for approaching vehicles when coming out of a side street. Most just drive straight out without slowing down. 

[Airbagwill]

1 hour ago, NokNokJoke said:

Enforce the existing laws.

You can start with licenses, and maybe something as extreme as requiring a working taillight

Sent from my Nokia 6.1 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

It has been explained at length why this is not a viable option.

[Airbagwill]

17 minutes ago, AboutThaim said:

And look for approaching vehicles when coming out of a side street. Most just drive straight out without slowing down. 

This is because in Thailand the default priority is for traffic on the left.

[Airbagwill]

18 minutes ago, Expat68 said:

Pointless, In Muang Loei more motor bikes along with three wheelers, cars, pickups and even, yes  trucks use the bicycle lanes more than bicycles, what do the police do nothing

The police are neither trained nor equipped to deal with traffic management and law enforcement.

[Airbagwill]

1 hour ago, Humpy said:

Two way m/c traffic along the hard shoulder !  The dual carriageways with a concrete central reservation and 'u' turns every 2 km will only encourage riders to go against the traffic flow rather than a 4 km ride to get to the other carriageway . Most of the bikes are not fit to be on the roads. no wing mirrors, faulty lights, no helmets, no licence, illegal exhausts, no insurance, 4 on a bike, underage , riding while holding a phone or a drink or a brush cutter, and no brain .... the list goes on !!

Road design in Thailand is appallingly dangerous and fails to prevent idiot drivers from doing what they do best. In the EU and elsewhere roads are designed to foil these idiot drivers who then go on to think they are "good drivers". People fail to realise just how big a contributory factor the roads of Thailand themselves are to the incident and death rates.

[Airbagwill]

3 hours ago, ubon farang said:

Ok i just set up a committee to fix it. 100,000 Baht i will be paid everytime i attend it Normal fee here for the talk fest Proposals

 

1/ Make the riders get a license

2/ Make them understand the road rules but actually knowing them

3/ Make them wear a helmet

4/ This is the crunch one   Make the cops enforce the law

5/ Make sure the person is 17 at least before they are allowed to ride a bike

putting numbers on your statement makes it no more applicable or practical.

The driving environment including police/admin needs such a major overhaul before any of your suggestions good be applied that no authority is prepared to tackle the situation...instead they publicise single issues like big bikes and make up dictums in the hope that it looks like they are doing something.

 

road safety is ALWAYS a government lead thing and expecting individuals to change their behaviour and the overall environment by single issue dictums will just not happen.

 

[AboutThaim]

6 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

This is because in Thailand the default priority is for traffic on the left.

So it won't hurt if you get bowled over by a vehicle coming from your right side because you have right of way?

[Airbagwill]

7 minutes ago, AboutThaim said:

So it won't hurt if you get bowled over by a vehicle coming from your right side because you have right of way?

it means that drivers, especially foreigners need to be aware that they have right of way. If you decide not to drive in such a way that you can give way to those who have right of way, it ids your responsibility.

Edited September 26, 2019 by Airbagwill

[AboutThaim]

21 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

it means that drivers, especially foreigners need to be aware that they have right of way. If you decide not to drive in such a way that you can give way to those who have right of way, it ids your responsibility.

OK, so just another stupid law. Give way to your left when it's obvious that the danger when coming out of a sidestreet onto a road is from your right.  Are we all supposed to drive at racing snail speed to cater for idiots who dont look?

[Road Warrior]

what the point !!!! even small jap bikes can do over 1000 mph 

[Airbagwill]

1 hour ago, AboutThaim said:

OK, so just another stupid law. Give way to your left when it's obvious that the danger when coming out of a sidestreet onto a road is from your right.  Are we all supposed to drive at racing snail speed to cater for idiots who dont look?

You are to drive in a manner that enables you to avoid endangering or colliding with other motorists .....

[Galactus]

total bs. bigbike accident are very few here yet they introduce special rules for bigbikes.

just to fine bigbike riders.

[Airbagwill]

34 minutes ago, Galactus said:

total bs. bigbike accident are very few here yet they introduce special rules for bigbikes.

just to fine bigbike riders.

Motorcycle crashes  - big bikes in some countries are up to 40% of deaths and injuries - Thailand of course cannot supply any figures.

 

USA: Travelling on a motorcycle carries a much higher risk of death or injury than driving the same distance in a car. In 2006 US motorcyclists had a risk of a fatal crash that was 35 times greater than that of passenger cars, - wiki

 

UK: - The UK Department for Transport indicated that motorcycles have 16 times the rate of serious injuries, people either killed or injured, compared to cars. - wiki

 

[This is worked out by distance travelled..NOT by the over simplistic and exclusive deaths per 100k.]

 

All motorcycles receiving type approval in the EU were required to have ABS systems available from 1st January 2016 and all new motorcycles with an engine displacement >125cc sold from 2017 onwards are required to have ABS fitted. - wiki

 

The risk of being injured or killed on a bike is not clearly demarcated by engine size at all……. There IS a correlation with POWER of the machine but in places like the USA and UK the numbers correlate more with age and engine size in inverse proportions

 

E.G. the younger you are the more likely you are to be injured on a small bike, whereas by the age of fifty you are way more likely to be killed/injured on a big bike. Presumably because financial restrictions prevent young riders from owned large bikes in any large numbers.

 

[bbbbooboo]

Hmmm.... I’m not holding my breath

[Grumpy John]

19 hours ago, ICELANDMAN said:

 

Nice bike but where two mirrors ? Naturally removed because the bike loses its aesthetics according to the parameters of the brainless,  is not the only bike so but almost the norm

 

You can get helmet mounted mirrorS....that's if you wear a helmet!

[SilverBeast]

Thai Road design is at fault really. 

 

Who else does U- Turns on an 80km/h highway?

 

Oh well. They won't seek the reason people die so they'll make a useless response to it.

[Airbagwill]

On 9/25/2019 at 8:26 PM, Calach said:

Out of which 90% don't ride big bikes. 

you need to look at the percentage of "big bike" owners - in Thailand this is over 300cc.

[smedly]

On 9/25/2019 at 11:16 AM, essox essox said:

if bikers DID NOT undertake then some lives JUST MIGHT BE saved.....

The whole country drives/rides where they see a gap regardless of laws they know or don't know, only the police can enforce moving traffic laws which they don't do this results in the chaos we see on Thai roads every day, other improvements could be made but primarily it is the lack of law enforcement that is the problem - the chance of conviction and punishment for breaking moving traffic law is virtually nonexistent

 

I am hearing a suggestion of making big bikes join the back of a stopped line of traffic - that is so highly dangerous, we have vehicles with no brakes - drivers drunk - drivers using mobile phones or watching dash mounted TV's - speeding etc etc - THEY BETTER THINK THAT ONE AGAIN - I will never ever expose myself to that sort of extreme danger 

[smedly]

On 9/26/2019 at 2:07 PM, Airbagwill said:

Motorcycle crashes  - big bikes in some countries are up to 40% of deaths and injuries - Thailand of course cannot supply any figures.

 

USA: Travelling on a motorcycle carries a much higher risk of death or injury than driving the same distance in a car. In 2006 US motorcyclists had a risk of a fatal crash that was 35 times greater than that of passenger cars, - wiki

 

UK: - The UK Department for Transport indicated that motorcycles have 16 times the rate of serious injuries, people either killed or injured, compared to cars. - wiki

 

[This is worked out by distance travelled..NOT by the over simplistic and exclusive deaths per 100k.]

 

All motorcycles receiving type approval in the EU were required to have ABS systems available from 1st January 2016 and all new motorcycles with an engine displacement >125cc sold from 2017 onwards are required to have ABS fitted. - wiki

 

The risk of being injured or killed on a bike is not clearly demarcated by engine size at all……. There IS a correlation with POWER of the machine but in places like the USA and UK the numbers correlate more with age and engine size in inverse proportions

 

E.G. the younger you are the more likely you are to be injured on a small bike, whereas by the age of fifty you are way more likely to be killed/injured on a big bike. Presumably because financial restrictions prevent young riders from owned large bikes in any large numbers.

 

what point are you trying to make ?

 

Cars have a metal frame - crumple zones - seat belts - air bags etc etc - of course they are safer

[Airbagwill]

21 hours ago, smedly said:

what point are you trying to make ?

 

Cars have a metal frame - crumple zones - seat belts - air bags etc etc - of course they are safer

I'm not talking about cars.

[Galactus]

On 9/26/2019 at 2:07 PM, Airbagwill said:

Motorcycle crashes  - big bikes in some countries are up to 40% of deaths and injuries - Thailand of course cannot supply any figures.

 

USA: Travelling on a motorcycle carries a much higher risk of death or injury than driving the same distance in a car. In 2006 US motorcyclists had a risk of a fatal crash that was 35 times greater than that of passenger cars, - wiki

 

UK: - The UK Department for Transport indicated that motorcycles have 16 times the rate of serious injuries, people either killed or injured, compared to cars. - wiki

 

[This is worked out by distance travelled..NOT by the over simplistic and exclusive deaths per 100k.]

 

All motorcycles receiving type approval in the EU were required to have ABS systems available from 1st January 2016 and all new motorcycles with an engine displacement >125cc sold from 2017 onwards are required to have ABS fitted. - wiki

 

The risk of being injured or killed on a bike is not clearly demarcated by engine size at all……. There IS a correlation with POWER of the machine but in places like the USA and UK the numbers correlate more with age and engine size in inverse proportions

 

E.G. the younger you are the more likely you are to be injured on a small bike, whereas by the age of fifty you are way more likely to be killed/injured on a big bike. Presumably because financial restrictions prevent young riders from owned large bikes in any large numbers.

 

 

yeah but dying from heart attack or sliding and hitting your head in your bathroom constitute a higher risk than motorbike accidents too!

here 99 percent of motorbike accident are from small bikes below 150 cc! yet laws special for big bikes??

lining behind the cars? no lane filtering? how will these solve the road fatalities? this is just to prosecute the harass the big bike riders!

so at every redlight, a cop might come out of the cop box to fine you.

This is Asia, people ride motorbikes. and most have no money to afford a 4 wheeled cage too. so what do you suggest? due to high risks we should stop riding motorbikes and buy cars instead?

and then 100 000 new cars in bangkok and a hell traffic with no movement? doesnt make any sense.

same rhetoric like the bigot non riders. if life is too risky, better dont leave home. but even if you stay at home, you can get a heart attack or slide in your bathroom or fall down from your balcony!!! which are also high risks.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Galactus