webfact Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Three high-speed train projects shelved due to lack investor interest The government has decided to shelve three high-speed projects due to lack of investor interest in co-investment. Well-informed sources in the Transport Ministry said that none of the three projects, namely the Bangkok-Phitsanuloke-Chiang Mai northern route, the Bangkok-Surat Thani southern route and the second phase of the eastern route between Rayong and Trat, were included in the infrastructure master plan recently submitted to the economic cabinet meeting by the Transport Ministry. Although a feasibility study of the Bangkok-Phitsanuloke-Chiang Mai high-speed train project has been completed, the sources said that the government has made it clear that it would not invest in the project unless Japan agrees to co-invest and provide technology transfer to Thailand. For the Bangkok-Surat Thani high-speed project, the government doubts that the project is economically viable, due to high investment costs and the short 600km route, which may not attract investors from the private sector, said the sources, noting that a dual-track south-bound route is currently under construction and is due to be operational in the next 3-4 years. Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/three-high-speed-train-projects-shelved-due-to-lack-investor-interest/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2019-09-27 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Surprised anyone? Sounded over the top ambitious from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 maybe the workers were already claiming wages in "high revenue" mode, as per the Hon. PM declared in NYC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 This train ain't bound for glory, this train! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeneeds Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 No government monies left to invest as they keep blowing money on military toys, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mai Mee Tang Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 None of them was heading to China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave67 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 The High speed BS express I have been posting that for a few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 How much skim has been siphoned off on feasibility studies, environmental etc etc. Job done for the boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, webfact said: Although a feasibility study of the Bangkok-Phitsanuloke-Chiang Mai high-speed train project has been completed, the sources said that the government has made it clear that it would not invest in the project unless Japan agrees to co-invest and provide technology transfer to Thailand. The Japanese have done them a favour by running away from this one. They know a loser when they see it. Whereas the Thai government love losers which are stacked full of incompetent management like the State Railway of Thailand (SRT) and Thai Airways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sahibji Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 what a pity. it would have really built strong tourism infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Cadbury said: The Japanese have done them a favour by running away from this one. They know a loser when they see it. sort of demonstrates why passenger railways only work in areas where government rules and is able to either run roughshod over the environment or be prepared to subsize. Ya aint making any money from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Nang Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 So, that 3,5km track in Korat is Museum of Thailands Great High Speed Train Project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 This is a very tragic development. Thailand does not have efficient transportation alternatives other than air travel. And the roads are choked with trucks, so an alternative freight method desperately needs to be established. The nation will not ever be considered a developed country without the high speed rail project. Unless they decide to open the Hua Hin airport, the Surat line is desperately needed. What is the Japanese reference? They cannot build the CM line without them? Yet, the Japanese have never invested in a rail line outside of Japan? Those questions were never asked? A civilian government is required to get this done. One with real negotiators. And some intellect. The army is a sorry, hapless, grossly incompetent house of fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiPauly Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, sahibji said: what a pity. it would have really built strong tourism infrastructure. You are right, it's a darned shame but how long before a driver , going above the top speed crashed one? One disaster and the confidence is shot. Look at what happened with Concorde. Too much High Tech that Thailand is not ready for...would you trust the government to run a Nuclear Power Station. would you sleep easy at night living 10 miles away from one? I know I wouldn't. Yet my family all lived a few miles away from the Atomic Research Centre at Aldermarston in the UK, nobody was worried about the implications of living there to be honest. We knew we could trust the people who ran it. Could the same be said for LOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fex Bluse Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 The government is nearly broke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: A civilian government is required to get this done. One with real negotiators. And some intellect. The army is a sorry, hapless, grossly incompetent house of fools. God himself wouldnt convince any corporation responsible to its shareholders that a high speed rail line in Thailand is a money maker. Your childish diatribes about the Thai government notwithstanding. High speed rail lines are a money pit creature of government that makes no sense in most countries. Sort of like Pvt Pyles Donut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend49 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 38 minutes ago, sahibji said: what a pity. it would have really built strong tourism infrastructure. the way they are impeding tourists there wont be any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Japan would also determine if Thailand can afford such a project, obviously it cannot, Transfer of Japan's H/S technology was done in China for the first and last time, China immediately claimed copy right , Japan took China to the international court , undoubtedly China lost and amazing abided by the decision , Japan vowed it will never again transfer its technology, well, not to a country that's close to China anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartyMarty Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 This is Thailand 4.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lust Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Good. Slow it down thailand. Analog thailand good, digital thailand 2.0 bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICELANDMAN Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 28 minutes ago, Da Nang said: So, that 3,5km track in Korat is Museum of Thailands Great High Speed Train Project. When it is finished next two years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiman123 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I like the old train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, webfact said: Although a feasibility study of the Bangkok-Phitsanuloke-Chiang Mai high-speed train project has been completed, Sure bet that was expensive and lined someones pension pot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegee Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Everything is on track as i predicted...October through November. This is the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Keep buying toys for military th that not needed. More more more! Make sure public gets less less less from their taxes. This PM and military cum politicians will do far more damage to the Kingdom than any previous gov't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said: The government is nearly broke With over $200 billion in foreign currency reserves ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nong38 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I liked the bit about ……….." a well informed source." does this person exist one has to ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayinThailand2much Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 hours ago, smutcakes said: How much skim has been siphoned off on feasibility studies, environmental etc etc. Job done for the boys. That's IMHO the main reason for these mega-projects. Parties involved skimmed of their fees, so no need to proceed any further... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Making the leap to HSR was sheer idiocy. Prayuth rode the Shinkansen once and got all bleary eyed with jealousy. Beefing up the exisiting rail system, as is being done, with improvements and dual-tracking, is a simple solution to both consumer and freight issues. Even if there were an HSR train between BKK and CNX, say up and running in 15 years, no one would use it. It would run twice a day - at best - , stop at least five times, have no freight capacity and cost 5,000 baht one-way. Cost-conscious pax will take the overnight bus or train, while tourists and middle-class Thais will fly on one of the ~ 30 direct, non-stop flights (ex-BKK/DMK). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 48 minutes ago, Nyezhov said: God himself wouldnt convince any corporation responsible to its shareholders that a high speed rail line in Thailand is a money maker.... High speed rail lines are a money pit creature of government that makes no sense in most countries. Sort of like Pvt Pyles Donut High speed rail as with many other forms of mass transit will not be a money maker because the personal automobile and motorcycle is so easy to acquire here with no down payment, low monthly payments, no insurance requirements, etc... Short Rant: Did not read the long diatribes by Greta Thunberg, yet if the human race is going to save the planet, we need to start by changing peoples attitudes towards transportation and conveniences that burn fossil fuels. People should have to pay the real cost of owning their gas guzzling freedom vehicles. Taxes, parking fees, tolls, etc... These changes would also create healthier, safer, and happier societies, where people are walking to the train, conversing with others, and becoming connected with their neighbors and community. Personal transportation removes you from interacting with others, causes stress, traffic, pollution, and of course 100's of thousands of fatal accidents every year, etc... The industrial revolution is over 100 years old, we know it is killing us and our planet, yet we are not willing to give up anything to evolve and try and create a better society in the future IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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