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Moment of truth coming for Brexit with time running out, EU and Britain say


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3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 I don't believe in ignoring members whose opinions I don't share.

 

We all post opinions, but only a few, you included, pretend their opinions are fact.

 

That you consider asking you for the source of your 'facts' is baiting says a lot about you.

 

 

No, YOU insist they're 'facts' & then go down the RSF route which takes us full circle! ????

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4 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:
11 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

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Please try and help me see the jolly side, because I am struggling

The only answer you will get is: For our independence. Then you'll hear something about the UK fishery, and that's it.

 Nope, not even that!

 

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

#58 refers

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 Post 58 being

 

13 minutes ago, evadgib said:

In that case please stick me on your iggy list & resist the urge to bait further posts.

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Very persuasive; not!

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2 minutes ago, evadgib said:

No, YOU insist they're 'facts' & then go down the RSF route which takes us full circle! ????

 

This hissy fit of yours started when I asked you for the source of this 'fact' you posted

5 hours ago, evadgib said:

It has been stated elsewhere (by the EU) that a trade deal could be implemented extremely quickly if UK fulfills it's obligation in full by severing all contact and negotiating as an truly independent state rather than one with an elastic band around it's gonads.

So, where has that been stated?

 

Or did you make it up?

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31 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

The only answer you will get is: For our independence. Then you'll hear something about the UK fishery, and that's it.

Once we're independent, after this shambles, I think the Scottish fisheries will be quite healthy  The English limits overlap their European neighbours, which might cause some conflict.

 

We discovered, some hundreds of years ago, that there were benefits from Union with our neighbours, even if it was not entirely as we thought was just.  When the English realise that, they will have squandered so much of our independence that previous governments have retained from the EU.  

 

When do you think England will join the EU?

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28 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

I may have some good to say about brexit once we have left and see how we are doing. Im not one of these fortunate enough to get to the stores before all the crystal balls were sold, I dont make predictions that can turn out to be wrong. After all, the EU, the remainers, the MPs and the remainstream media are doing a great job of that AND halting Brexit, and now it seems they have the supreme court backing them haha. Treason May closed parliament and legal eagles are looking at if her postponement was in fact unlawful. If it was, I think you will find we have already left and the EU will need to pay us £1bn per month in back pay. That said, remainers and Gina Miller seem to be able to change a law at the snap of her fingers, which is why I dont make predictions. 

Johnson hasnt killed Brexit. Not for the Leave side anyway. The day he stepped into number 10 was already a great start because that meant Mrs ReMAYner had no intent on fighting for the UK. A no deal is better than a bad deal, her deal actually gave us less influence than we already have now haha so in effect we would be in a worse position. See what all the remainer crying has caused since June 2016? 

 

Fortunately in the UK we have the rule of law, and while Boris Johnson, as a Tory MP, could stop his government, his prime minister, achieving Brexit, he is not above the law, and his go ernment is not above the scrutiny of parliament.

 

As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

 

The damage he and his croneys have done to our country will outlive your or I, and we, our children, and our neighbours will suffer from it beyond his pitiful lifetime.  

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1 hour ago, Chivas said:

Appears that you and @Jip99 are not quite up to speed on events in the uk this Saturday afternoon lol

Try and keep up

 

 

Keeping up is easy. @Chivas must be clutching at straws if he thinks Johnson will face criminal charges for his activities whilst Mayor of London.

 

Perhaps he could advise us what Johnson has been charged with according to his news sources.

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6 hours ago, evadgib said:

It has been stated elsewhere (by the EU) that a trade deal could be implemented extremely quickly if UK fulfills it's obligation in full by severing all contact and negotiating as an truly independent state rather than one with an elastic band around it's gonads.

Extrem quickly?

You mean 5-7 years or what?

Where and who from the EU stated that?

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2 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Spoilsport........ they are missing out on so much.

They are probably lucky.  I think we have slipped in our political discourse beyond Monty Python, beyond the Goodies or the Goon Show, and if we can justify that we are the intellectual equals of Laurel and Hardy we will be achieving something.

 

I look back on my childhood heroes, and I challenge anyone to justify that Chris Tarrant, Sally James or the Phantom Flan Flinger would do a worse job as Prime Minister than the buffoons that the Tory party has cursed us with

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1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I would spray your bullets wider across the whole parliament.

 

Johnson is an easy target but, in reality, Theresa May has done far more damage

At least she did her best to deliver Brexit.  Traitors within her own party undermined her for their own ends.  If you piddle in someone else;s chalice, you can expect no more than to be forced to drink it.

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5 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

At least she did her best to deliver Brexit.  Traitors within her own party undermined her for their own ends.  If you piddle in someone else;s chalice, you can expect no more than to be forced to drink it.

 

 

Poor deal that it was, Johnson previously supported it. I would imagine that was in the interests of unity and any deal being better than not getting a deal through. ERG changed all that. 

 

The fact remains that parliament would not pass that deal and I believe Johnson wants to present a rehashed version. I don’t believe that his objective is No Deal ...if it was, he could could simply sell his soul (or about 90 seats) to Farage.

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11 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I would spray your bullets wider across the whole parliament.

 

Johnson is an easy target but, in reality, Theresa May has done far more damage

I'd rather not say "spray bullets".  Regardless of the damage that they have done to our  country, we should inflict on our MPs no more than the law allows.

 

We don't want anyone thinking that they are right to spray the bullets, or wield the knife, that the courts are to pusillanimous to do.   THere are laws, and our MPs are entitled to their protection, even beyond you or I, for they have to take a public profile and make decisions beyond your opinion or mine.

 

However we may detest those who have led us to this impass, please let us refrain from wishing them ill, and refrain from encouraging others to do them ill.

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5 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Poor deal that it was, Johnson previously supported it. I would imagine that was in the interests of unity and any deal being better than not getting a deal through. ERG changed all that. 

 

The fact remains that parliament would not pass that deal and I believe Johnson wants to present a rehashed version. I don’t believe that his objective is No Deal ...if it was, he could could simply sell his soul (or about 90 seats) to Farage.

As I understand, May's government had a majority in parliament, and rebels within her party rejected the Brexit deal.  

 

I have no idea what Boris is trying to achieve, but he is doing a good of so far of blocking Brexit.

 

Maybe blood runs thicker than water?

 

To be honest, I have given up worrying about Brexit.  I am more worried about the undermining of people's faith in parliamentary democracy and the rule of law, and I cannot but think that those who wish us ill must be chortling and even guffawing in satisfaction at a job well done.

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

I'd rather not say "spray bullets".  Regardless of the damage that they have done to our  country, we should inflict on our MPs no more than the law allows.

 

We don't want anyone thinking that they are right to spray the bullets, or wield the knife, that the courts are to pusillanimous to do.   THere are laws, and our MPs are entitled to their protection, even beyond you or I, for they have to take a public profile and make decisions beyond your opinion or mine.

 

However we may detest those who have led us to this impass, please let us refrain from wishing them ill, and refrain from encouraging others to do them ill.

 

Those bullets were metaphorical.... I think you know that.

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Just now, Jip99 said:

 

Those bullets were metaphorical.... I think you know that.

You and I know the limits of metaphor and simile.  I cannot be sure that our compatriots in parliament share the same understanding, nor our more excitable compatriots in the street.

 

See me? See incitement to riot? I try to avoid exposing myself to accusations of that.  You can call me wishy-washy if you want

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6 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

Just get out, Boris, do your thing then fire all the tossers in Parliament who opposed you ! (that,s what Donald would do !).

Business wise, any well made product put out at a reasonable price is going to attract customers, who are interested in value for money, not politics ????

 

           Reminds me of the cartoon Tom and Jerry ,  really good ..

           Latest edition, T&J.   on Disney cartoons soon,   Trump and Johnson,  entrance free ..

 

 

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I would, very much, like to know the true reasons why the responsible British authorities have, in contradiction with the available volume of incriminating material, decided not to further investigate, and possibly proceed in the matter, the financing of the 'leave' movement preceeding the 2016 referendum, further the Ukip and Dup 'sponsoring' sources and choice of spendings then and more recently.

When I see reactions of 'hard brexiteers' here and elsewhere, raising the treath of violence and unrest, IMHO, the british 'system' has folded, in fear of violence and unrest, indeed, ...when and if it would choose to proceed about the criminal(!) abuses committed. ...And locate the sources of the funds made available.

...And dig up the sources of the whole lying propaganda the 'leave camp' brought forward, ...and come up with companies, in inaucuous Canada and elsewhere, specialised in des-information, and 'possibly' working for a former officer, later chief, of an 'information agency', presently PM, in alternation with President, of ...Russia.

My tiny, little 'source' telling it is much, much worse than what the same did to manipulate the US presidential elections...

The aim? Plain and simple: destabilise one of the main European countries, with the strongest, professional, armed force, create tensions/havoc inside the EU competitor.

You might have missed Stoltenberg, ex-mister NATO, a personality I'm not a fan of, telling, f.i., Russia is responsible for 80% (eighty percent!) of the abuses recorded in modern communications.

I'd like to ask Mr Stoltenberg, off the record, what he thinks and know about the whole brexit story... I know, a stiff, duty bound, man as he still feels to be, there would be no open, clear answer...

But, do allow me to repeat myself, IMHO, there is something smelling very hard like over-ripe haddock, in the way the British authorities have chosen to wipe off the table, and hide its face while doing so, the whole story about and around the referendum campaign, Ukip, Dup, Bojo and his bunch!

A good friend of mine, retired from a French intelligence service (yes, of course, LOL), in a recent conversation, made a link between the attitude of old English attitudes related to treason, making a link with the Profumo, and a later, 'affair', as if there was kind of a weakness of old elites towards the songs(?!) of Russian propaganda, in charming appearance, or rapped in gold, or, more viciously, in a twist to harm rivals...

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1 hour ago, elliss said:

 

           Reminds me of the cartoon Tom and Jerry ,  really good ..

           Latest edition, T&J.   on Disney cartoons soon,   Trump and Johnson,  entrance free ..

 

 

Not funny, you spoil my pleasure watching the old ones, well drawn these, signed by Fred Qimby.

This is just some trash cartoon for some very restricted japanese paying audience. No common sense, full of gratuitous extreme violence, no heroes, no happy end...

Great characters though: Bojo himself, his twisted 'brains', and the vain twit-on-the-couch, can't make it up like that, LOL!

I sent a scenario in using these characters and a terrifying clown without a make-up called Nigel, was told it was too scary for the young audience it was aimed at, pfff...

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As I understand, May's government had a majority in parliament, and rebels within her party rejected the Brexit deal.  
 


They all rejected May’s Deal, from both sides of the house and rightly so. Three times.

It wasn’t a deal, the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty was outright capitulation nicknamed BRINO. It certainly wasn’t the deal that anybody spoke about before the referendum, which was a trade deal that they won’t even discuss yet. The divorce deal that will not be agreed was only a Remainer and EU invention, after they lost the referendum.
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