EU official says Johnson's Brexit offer 'can't fly'

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Deal = refused by EU -

Boris will not be able to brexit without deal by the end of this month - against the law -

He will have no choice but resign -

EU will agree to another delay -

Having been found guilty of lying to the Queen he should already be gone but the Brexit fundamentalists will forgive him anything at this stage because he keeps telling them what they want to hear.

None of them have figured out that he is probably lying to them.

[david555]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Having been found guilty of lying to the Queen he should already be gone but the Brexit fundamentalists will forgive him anything at this stage because he keeps telling them what they want to hear.

None of them have figured out that he is probably lying to them.

 

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, petermik said:

Walk away Boris and stuff the compensation the EU are seeking.......

in order to do that he needs a pair of big ones between his legs and I don't think he has any

[Thingamabob]

23 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Having been found guilty of lying to the Queen he should already be gone but the Brexit fundamentalists will forgive him anything at this stage because he keeps telling them what they want to hear.

None of them have figured out that he is probably lying to them.

Just to point out that the PM was not found guilty of lying to anybody. Watch your language.

[transam]

38 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

in order to do that he needs a pair of big ones between his legs and I don't think he has any

More balls than you, you want to Wai the Germans.Co.......

[Momofarang]

19 hours ago, billd766 said:

I agree with not putting the responsibility wholly on the EU.

 

Teresa May should accept 50% of the responsibility. It took her over 3 years to screw up Brexit for the EU and people are blaming Boris for the problem now, when he cannot do the job properly due to parliament and lawyers restricting from doing his job.

You infer BJ didn't read his job description before applying for the position?

[transam]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Having been found guilty of lying to the Queen he should already be gone but the Brexit fundamentalists will forgive him anything at this stage because he keeps telling them what they want to hear.

None of them have figured out that he is probably lying to them.

You just lied to us....... Typical remainer tactics, think we readers are all daft....????

[billd766]

5 minutes ago, Momofarang said:

You infer BJ didn't read his job description before applying for the position?

Well the last PM was a Remainer and Boris seems to be a Leaver.

 

The job description didn't include being taken to court for doing the job he was supposed to do

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

58 minutes ago, billd766 said:

The job description didn't include being taken to court for doing the job he was supposed to do

The nice thing about living in a democracy is that no one is above the law and everyone can be taken to court, regardless of how important his job description or title is. 

[transam]

8 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

The nice thing about living in a democracy is that no one is above the law and everyone can be taken to court, regardless of how important his job description or title is. 

You say that but then don't want what the people voted for..Hmmm.

[vogie]

44 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

BS BJ did not made any offer, ma something to work on it in the future!
What he placed on the plate is something that not even the most foul will accept !

The true is the BS BJ is aiming to a no deal Brexit and then blame EU.

Well every Brit shall be ready for a awful crash landing thanks to BS BJ and his supporters !

I think it would be fair to say that the EU would not accept any offer that was put in front of them unless it was benificial to them and was designed to undermine the UK, you could throw in the crown jewels and it wouldn't make a ha'penny worth of difference.

The EU was always determined to hurt the UK as much as possible and that was also designed to deter others from even thinking of leaving their undemocratic federation, which in all honesty the UK may have stood a chance if we hadn't had these duplicItous MPs surrepticiously engaging in dialogue behind the governments back with the EU. But only fools would remove a no deal from the table, Boris has been left with pretty much an impossible task, parliament has removed all the tools needed in him negotiating a deal, so he is trying every trick in the book to deliver on what was voted for in the referendum.

The only way forward is a General Election and hopefully it will get rid of all this dead wood we have in parliament, the country is even more behind leaving the EU, even by a no deal and it must dissapoint so many remainers that Boris is even more popular than when he was made PM.

[dunroaming]

No surprises here.  Boris doing what was predicted all along and his supporters sucking it all up.

[stephenterry]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

I think it would be fair to say that the EU would not accept any offer that was put in front of them unless it was benificial to them and was designed to undermine the UK, you could throw in the crown jewels and it wouldn't make a ha'penny worth of difference.

The EU was always determined to hurt the UK as much as possible and that was also designed to deter others from even thinking of leaving their undemocratic federation, which in all honesty the UK may have stood a chance if we hadn't had these duplicItous MPs surrepticiously engaging in dialogue behind the governments back with the EU. But only fools would remove a no deal from the table, Boris has been left with pretty much an impossible task, parliament has removed all the tools needed in him negotiating a deal, so he is trying every trick in the book to deliver on what was voted for in the referendum.

The only way forward is a General Election and hopefully it will get rid of all this dead wood we have in parliament, the country is even more behind leaving the EU, even by a no deal and it must dissapoint so many remainers that Boris is even more popular than when he was made PM.

The only way forward is to junk Brexit, and revoke Article 50. Then the British population can get on with their lives without reading all this 'let's leave' rhetoric garbage. That's all johnson has to do to avoid breaking up Britain. As for the EU, I shouldn't think any person on this forum or the man in the street has been disadvantaged by us being a member.

 

That's the UK government's responsibility.

 

 

 

 

 

[dunroaming]

13 minutes ago, vogie said:

I think it would be fair to say that the EU would not accept any offer that was put in front of them unless it was benificial to them and was designed to undermine the UK, you could throw in the crown jewels and it wouldn't make a ha'penny worth of difference.

The EU was always determined to hurt the UK as much as possible and that was also designed to deter others from even thinking of leaving their undemocratic federation, which in all honesty the UK may have stood a chance if we hadn't had these duplicItous MPs surrepticiously engaging in dialogue behind the governments back with the EU. But only fools would remove a no deal from the table, Boris has been left with pretty much an impossible task, parliament has removed all the tools needed in him negotiating a deal, so he is trying every trick in the book to deliver on what was voted for in the referendum.

The only way forward is a General Election and hopefully it will get rid of all this dead wood we have in parliament, the country is even more behind leaving the EU, even by a no deal and it must dissapoint so many remainers that Boris is even more popular than when he was made PM.

I agree with a lot of that Vogie.  The EU were very up front in saying that any deal would leave the UK worse off out rather than in. And that was before the referendum took place so none of us should be surprised by their stance now.  They need to deter any other member going down the same route.  Of course we are crying foul but we were warned, more than once.

 

May came as close as she could to getting a passable deal but that fell well short of anything approaching what the people were promised in the leave campaign and Boris and the ERG flatly rejected it.  Johnson is still pitching his "We will leave in the 31st October, deal or no deal",  repeating it at every opportunity so he is still using that threat no matter how hollow it actually sounds.  He has no workable alternative but what can he do?  His only hope is that the EU will suddenly buckle but that is very unlikely.

[Krataiboy]

Here's an interesting take on the Brexit brouhaha from the other side of the Pond.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/09/27/stopping-brexit-is-about-saving-the-european-union/

 

 

 

[transam]

24 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

No surprises here.  Boris doing what was predicted all along and his supporters sucking it all up.

And what are the people that you follow doing...?

[dunroaming]

16 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

The only way forward is to junk Brexit, and revoke Article 50. Then the British population can get on with their lives without reading all this 'let's leave' rhetoric garbage. That's all johnson has to do to avoid breaking up Britain. As for the EU, I shouldn't think any person on this forum or the man in the street has been disadvantaged by us being a member.

 

That's the UK government's responsibility.

 

 

 

 

 

Totally agree with the principle but I think that revoking article 50 now will not heal any wounds.  Britain is broken over this dreadful Brexit fiasco.  But it's bigger than Brexit, which has just highlighted the vast gap in the way that the country is at logger heads.  It will take many years to get over the vitriol and maybe never completely.

[transam]

24 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

The only way forward is to junk Brexit, and revoke Article 50. Then the British population can get on with their lives without reading all this 'let's leave' rhetoric garbage. That's all johnson has to do to avoid breaking up Britain. As for the EU, I shouldn't think any person on this forum or the man in the street has been disadvantaged by us being a member.

 

That's the UK government's responsibility.

 

 

 

 

 

Did you know that the blind never see. Do you know why a horse has blinkers....?

[dunroaming]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

And what are the people that you follow doing...?

Don't really understand the question?  I don't follow anyone.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Don't really understand the question?  I don't follow anyone.

Really, I am surprised...

[sawadee1947]

22 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

It is now for the EU to respond and also show they can be creative and flexible

Actually not. 

There was more than 3 years time to find a way out for UK, but with tricky BJ there is no plan anymore, just some phrases to blame EU after a hard BREXIT nobody would be happy with. He is focussed only to stay in power to win the next elections. That is more than pathetic if you think how people will be hit. Of course not BJ and cronies. They enjoy fooling UK people ????????

[stephenterry]

11 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Totally agree with the principle but I think that revoking article 50 now will not heal any wounds.  Britain is broken over this dreadful Brexit fiasco.  But it's bigger than Brexit, which has just highlighted the vast gap in the way that the country is at logger heads.  It will take many years to get over the vitriol and maybe never completely.

Breaking up Britain as in a real risk of Breaking up the Union if a no-deal occurs. As for the population, who has never been disadvantaged, IMO, would just get on with lives moaning about the weather and whatever. And for the billionaire tory supporters who have shorted the pound, it would be their comeuppance when it doesn't crash. 

 

And a serious question. Why would anyone who hasn't been disadvantaged give a monkey's about whether the UK leaves or stays? Loggerheads, don't believe it - just a talking and moaning point over a jar or two in the pub.

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Breaking up Britain as in a real risk of Breaking up the Union if a no-deal occurs. As for the population, who has never been disadvantaged, IMO, would just get on with lives moaning about the weather and whatever. And for the billionaire tory supporters who have shorted the pound, it would be their comeuppance when it doesn't crash. 

 

And a serious question. Why would anyone who hasn't been disadvantaged give a monkey's about whether the UK leaves or stays? Loggerheads, don't believe it - just a talking and moaning point over a jar or two in the pub.

 

Hey, the Scot's want out even if there was no Brexit....

[luckyluke]

We all know by now, that if Brexit may  not become what the over-optimistic brigade is promising, it will be the only/-solely fault of the Remainers and the E.U..

It seems that hard Brexiteers totally exclude that there is a possibility, they may have a misjudgement of the situation. 

[david555]

 (And another one …)

 

Peter Walker Political correspondent

@peterwalker99

Fri 4 Oct 2019 09.15 BST

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/04/rory-stewart-resigns-from-conservative-party

Rory Stewart resigns from Conservative party

Former leadership candidate makes announcement before public reading of Eton letter about Johnson’s ‘gross failure’

 

The former Conservative leadership candidate Rory Stewart has said he will stand down at the next general election after resigning from the Conservative party.

 

He announced his resignation in front of an audience of thousands on Thursday night at an event where he read out a letter in which an Eton housemaster described Boris Johnson as being guilty of “a gross failure of responsibility”.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

 (And another one …)

 

Peter Walker Political correspondent

@peterwalker99

Fri 4 Oct 2019 09.15 BST

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/04/rory-stewart-resigns-from-conservative-party

Rory Stewart resigns from Conservative party

Former leadership candidate makes announcement before public reading of Eton letter about Johnson’s ‘gross failure’

 

The former Conservative leadership candidate Rory Stewart has said he will stand down at the next general election after resigning from the Conservative party.

 

He announced his resignation in front of an audience of thousands on Thursday night at an event where he read out a letter in which an Eton housemaster described Boris Johnson as being guilty of “a gross failure of responsibility”.

At least he didn't have to be weeded out.....Hoora...

 

Better than that was the Labour guy, in palement slagging off Corbyn, he was right on the ball.....

Edited October 4, 2019 by transam

[vogie]

22 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

May came as close as she could to getting a passable deal but that fell well short of anything approaching what the people were promised in the leave campaign and Boris and the ERG flatly rejected it.  Johnson is still pitching his "We will leave in the 31st October, deal or no deal",  repeating it at every opportunity so he is still using that threat no matter how hollow it actually sounds.  He has no workable alternative but what can he do?  His only hope is that the EU will suddenly buckle but that is very unlikely.

At the end of the day DR is that when the government gives the choice of leaving or remaining to the electorate and states that it will implement that decision, the damage would be untold if that decision wasn't carried out, this is more than Brexit, this is democracy. The total apathy of some remainers saying that 'oh I think they should revoke Art50' is beyond belief, it's a case of I'm not bothered about the democratic vote, it's all about me and what I want.

Even Stephen Kinnock (a very staunch remainer) has agreed that the referendum must be respected, he is amassing quite a few Labour MPs behind him to support a vote on any deal should one be offered to parliament again, many must now regret not voting for Mays surrender deal when they had the chance.

But this zombie parliament is no good for the country, leaver or remainer, all thay are doing is treading water and hoping for a miracle. What good would an extension do, the EU are not going to change their stance, but when you have our own MPs doing their work for them, why should they bother, as proven they are very good at sitting back and waiting for cracks in other countries armour, and as of yet the weakest links have been the remainer MPs.

 

 

[metisdead]

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[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

At the end of the day DR is that when the government gives the choice of leaving or remaining to the electorate and states that it will implement that decision, the damage would be untold if that decision wasn't carried out, this is more than Brexit, this is democracy. The total apathy of some remainers saying that 'oh I think they should revoke Art50' is beyond belief, it's a case of I'm not bothered about the democratic vote, it's all about me and what I want.

Even Stephen Kinnock (a very staunch remainer) has agreed that the referendum must be respected, he is amassing quite a few Labour MPs behind him to support a vote on any deal should one be offered to parliament again, many must now regret not voting for Mays surrender deal when they had the chance.

But this zombie parliament is no good for the country, leaver or remainer, all thay are doing is treading water and hoping for a miracle. What good would an extension do, the EU are not going to change their stance, but when you have our own MPs doing their work for them, why should they bother, as proven they are very good at sitting back and waiting for cracks in other countries armour, and as of yet the weakest links have been the remainer MPs.

 

 

Your assertion that the ‘damage would be untold if this decision wasn’t carried out’ is hollow hyperbole.

 

 

[david555]

Part of :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/04/rory-stewart-resigns-from-tories-brexit-article-50-boris-johnson-live-news

 

6m ago 10:01

Later today, the Court of Session – Scotland’s highest civil court – will hear arguments over whether Boris Johnson can be forced to extend Article 50.

This would avert a no-deal Brexit if a deal is not struck and passed through parliament, and the legal action will ask the Court of Session to require Boris Johnson to seek an extension to avoid leaving the EU without a deal.

The legal action, led by businessman Vince Dale, SNP MP Joanna Cherry QC and Jolyon Maugham QC, could also see a court official given the power to sign the letter if the prime minister refuses to do so.