Judge shoots self in court after being forced to change verdict

[rossco1]

no its call losing face rather than admit he was wrong best option is to shot yourself that way not losing face 

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

And I wonder just how many times judges here have been told what the verdict should be. 

I would have to assume that it is every single time.

[RJRS1301]

Judges are not paid enough, and need second jobs to live comfortably? This is in a country which expects to be viewed and a first world country?

Separation of judiciary and state, does that concept exist here?

Evidence beyond reasonable doubt to secure a conviction?

 

 

[Yinn]

4 hours ago, Just1Voice said:

Now THAT is some heavy duty pressure on a judge by someone with substantial connections & influence. 

 

4 hours ago, Mavideol said:

did you mean some from Prayut's gang 555

 

3 hours ago, car720 said:

We joke and laugh about it because T.I.T. but in reality the same type of gangsters that are running this guy are running every government in the world.  What chance the little guy?

 

3 hours ago, phetpeter said:

If true, he should state the name of the person who initiated he change the verdict, so the person can tell everybody why he has done it. Not just state 'someone'

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

And I wonder just how many times judges here have been told what the verdict should be. 

 

1 hour ago, Rampant20 said:

Maybe he thought if he says someone and kills himself that his family would be safe from reprisals if he was to mention names. Just a thought

Thai news say....

He was pressure from another (older) judge. The old judge wrote him secret letter told him to change his decision.

so he ask why? Why not use the system. Secret letter for what?

 

[Yinn]

21 minutes ago, rossco1 said:

no its call losing face rather than admit he was wrong best option is to shot yourself that way not losing face 

No. Wrong.

[GTgrizzly]

2 hours ago, Tchooptip said:

 "despite the lack of sufficient evidence to convict any of them" 

The judge believed there was not enough evidence but at last three of them were condemned to the death penalty.
One can understand that the judge was upset and more could feel guilty for not having had the courage or the strength to refuse such an injustice.  
My wife saw the story on TV it could be a minister who gave this order?  But since the judge is not dead the story is far from finished
  

 

But since the judge is not dead the story is far from finished

He will be soon, someone else will do the job he failed to do

 

 

[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, Yinn said:

 

 

 

 

 

Thai news say....

He was pressure from another (older) judge. The old judge wrote him secret letter told him to change his decision.

so he ask why? Why not use the system. Secret letter for what?

 

Do you believe that a brother judge would risk threatening one of his own?

 

 

Edited October 5, 2019 by RJRS1301

[Yinn]

5 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

You know this how?

 

In the thai news. 

 

The old judge want him to give death penalty three people this judge believe is innocent. Two more jail all the life.

 

This judge is honest guy. 

 

 

https://www.khaosod.co.th/politics/news_2948532

Edited October 5, 2019 by Yinn

[Baggy]

2 hours ago, Tchooptip said:

 "despite the lack of sufficient evidence to convict any of them" 

The judge believed there was not enough evidence but at last three of them were condemned to the death penalty.
One can understand that the judge was upset and more could feel guilty for not having had the courage or the strength to refuse such an injustice.  
My wife saw the story on TV it could be a minister who gave this order?  But since the judge is not dead the story is far from finished
  

 

Lose face maybe?

[CharlieH]

Several posts removed for a variety of reasons.

[BestB]

17 minutes ago, Yinn said:

 

 

 

 

 

Thai news say....

He was pressure from another (older) judge. The old judge wrote him secret letter told him to change his decision.

so he ask why? Why not use the system. Secret letter for what?

 

It’s not only Thai news but clearly in English , just some people struggle to read or to comprehend ????

[mickey rat]

3 hours ago, phetpeter said:

If true, he should state the name of the person who initiated he change the verdict, so the person can tell everybody why he has done it. Not just state 'someone'

That would be the same as suicide but they would most likely go after the family as well. 

[kidneyw]

Strange that "not guilty" verdicts were ordered to be changed to guilty verdicts. It is usually the other way around here. I guess someone has a major grudge against the defendants.

[xr399]

3 hours ago, steven100 said:

One would assume someone connected very high up threatened him and he bowed to the pressure.

Now that he didn't succeed in his attempt to end it all, will he be coming forward with naming the perpetrator. I won't hold my breath. 

 

Yes, if he really wants his death wish...

[deecfc67]

17 minutes ago, kidneyw said:

Strange that "not guilty" verdicts were ordered to be changed to guilty verdicts. It is usually the other way around here. I guess someone has a major grudge against the defendants.

Or, as in the infamous Koh Tao case with the two Burmese lads, it could be that by securing convictions against some "patsy's", the real guilty parties get off with whatever they are charged with (assuming that the many rumours about that case are correct of course).

[Steve Vincent]

I’ve always been skeptical regarding Thai laws and this proves my point in case,. If you’ve got the money and connections your walking away. Believe the actions from the judge was a cry for help

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will lead to a retrial and a new judge will be called in to preside over the case. Don’t know the full story of the case so it would be folly of me to comment on those on trial.

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It’s not what you know,it’s who you know ‘and this has never been more evident than in Thailand. 

[Liverpudlian]

Seems like the temple would have been a better choice than the chest.

[raccos21]

All the government are run by Puppeteers.

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[meshborg]

???? In Thailan In Thailan no justice only coruption in Thailan????

[Burma Bill]

Quote:-

"condemning three of them to death and sending another two to prison, despite the lack of sufficient evidence to convict any of them"

How about the two Burmese lads on "death row"?

[wazzupnow]

4 hours ago, RBOP said:

How did he get a gun into court?

hey he is the judge, if i was a judge i would not leave home without one ever

[friend of siam]

4 hours ago, phetpeter said:

If true, he should state the name of the person who initiated he change the verdict, so the person can tell everybody why he has done it. Not just state 'someone'

if this someone is named...nothing will happen to the judge ..not immediately...but maybe to his mother and father...maybe first their bank accounts are freezed... later their house burns a gas bottle explosion unfortunately mom burn to death nobody speaks about the chains that tight her to the bedframe...later dad have a heart attack or a car accident..his son or daughter forced out of university because drugs found in car...

later suddenly his bank account is empty and somebody claim his proberty...one by one slowly but steady thai style...or a quick car explosion in yala business as usual..terrorists you know... land of smiles LOS happiness easy life ... think twice ...this is gang land and the gangs are in power of the whole country... about this s somebody one thing is sure nothing will happen to him , sure not, he will receive a medal of honor of some kind

[Rhys]

All so confusing and yet what else would he do?   Sad, must have been very .... 

All the best.

[trevoromgh]

Would've been better if he shot the messenger

[ToddinChonburi]

What ever happened to the good old sword in the stomach.

[KKr]

it would be an interesting subject to study the occurrence of (attempted) suicides, across government employees relative to the general population. 
This time a judge (how come a "junior" judge can mete out death sentences? why does the prosecutor not just appeal if the suspects are in his opinion guilty and he can proof that ?), a senior official last month, and maybe more that did not make the news. 
It seems that in Official duty, a lot of people are under an enormous amount of stress.
Any Sociologists or Psychologists on here who have looked into such statistics in other countries ?

[KKr]

1 hour ago, friend of siam said:

..not immediately...

seems you are a subject specialist or a Biggles fan.

Edited October 5, 2019 by KKr

[katana]

Last sentence of the OP:

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In the statement, the judge also urged lawmakers to amend the judicial charter to prevent senior judges from screening the verdicts of the judges in the court of first instance before they are delivered in court.

Sounds like it was a senior judge who put pressure on him.

 

[khaowong1]

"the judge might be suffering from stress"  "Ya think"  LOL. 

[Duck J Butters]

It's odd that he would feel so guilty. No one actually gets the death penalty in Thailand. This isn't the US. DP is mostly for show in Thailand. They let you out of prison after a few years if you behave yourself. And immediately if you can pay the bribe. There is more to this story than we are being told. A judge would know that the 5 defendants would never do any serious time.