UK could be flexible on details of Northern Ireland veto, customs plan

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

I suppose you have too,come on lets hear them    UK saving 93 billion a year  no 8 billion fee  plus plus 39 billion in its back pocket

As I've already told you, it's a universal economic phenomenon that the proximity of nations is the overwhelming determinant in how much they trade with each other. In economics, it's referred to as gravity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_model_of_trade

And that 39 billion figure is outdated. It included membership payments for 2018 and 2019 even though the UK was expected to be out of the EU by then.

[zorrow424]

Just now, bristolboy said:

As I've already told you, it's a universal economic phenomenon that the proximity of nations is the overwhelming determinant in how much they trade with each other. In economics, it's referred to as gravity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_model_of_trade

And that 39 billion figure is outdated. It included membership payments for 2018 and 2019 even though the UK was expected to be out of the EU by then.

no worries,you think Boris concerned ,? do you really,lol     gravity?  that is where EU goes,downhill. Ludicrous statement ,nothing to hang onto here   off you go,  just like EU bye bye

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, zorrow424 said:

no worries,you think Boris concerned ,? do you really,lol     gravity?  that is where EU goes,downhill. Ludicrous statement ,nothing to hang onto here   off you go,  just like EU bye bye

I have no doubt that the only thing that concerns Boris is successfully pandering to his base. As for ludicrous "gravity?  that is where EU goes,downhill. Ludicrous statement ,nothing to hang onto here.

As an economic phenomenon gravity is a virtually universal phenomenon. But I guess if someone lives, as you apparently do, in an alternative universe, the rules there might be different.   

[samran]

1 hour ago, zorrow424 said:

Yes you are   93 billion trade deficit,8 million fee for belonging,EU discussing trapped countries being enforced to take in more and more refugees.

   1 million UK ites  living in EU  just how many on welfare there, whilst 3 and a half million in UK   probably all on minimum work hours whilst on max benefits,  all stops  31/10

Yeah, best to not post while drunk mate...

[bamboozle]

7 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

The solution is easy; allow Northern Ireland to reunite with the rest of Ireland.

 

Erin go Bragh!

 

 

 

The mind boggle on the ignorance of the expat . For you and all the uneducated , its the PEOPLE  in northern island who do not want to be reunited . They want to remain in uk rather than join with a badly run expensive country like southern island which is why the southerners always doing border runs for cheaper gas , food etc . I am sure most of the english , scottish and welsh would be glad to see the back of the irish

[zorrow424]

58 minutes ago, samran said:

Yeah, best to not post while drunk mate...

That's the way to do it  lol    know nothing posting

[zorrow424]

3 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

BS BJ is trying all his darts to blame Eu for his madness incompetence, he is breaking the good friday agreement as well if a no deal, lets have a heavily armed borders by EU forces.

Too true. Boris loathes the irish and its showing. break the GFA,good one,not up to the UK then,can put blame on anybody or anything,who the hell cares?   at least out of eu,..eu will be having kittens though that the responsibility now lies with them

[bristolboy]

43 minutes ago, bamboozle said:

The mind boggle on the ignorance of the expat . For you and all the uneducated , its the PEOPLE  in northern island who do not want to be reunited . They want to remain in uk rather than join with a badly run expensive country like southern island which is why the southerners always doing border runs for cheaper gas , food etc . I am sure most of the english , scottish and welsh would be glad to see the back of the irish

Right, because it's the south that depends on subsidies. And it's not the north that gets 11 billion pounds in subsidies every year from the UK. Because NI is so well run.

United Ireland would see living standards in Republic fall by 15%

Irish reunification would come at a high price for the Republic, reducing income and living standards by as much as 15 per cent, a new study has found.

The research, by economists John FitzGerald of Trinity College Dublin and Edgar Morgenroth of Dublin City University, suggests that in the event of a hard Brexit, the only way the North could stay in the EU is by leaving the UK, which opens up the possibility of a united Ireland.

However, this would pose a number of economic challenges, not least how the Republic would accommodate the €11 billion  Northern Ireland receives annually from the UK, which equates to 25 per cent of its national income.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/united-ireland-would-see-living-standards-in-republic-fall-by-15-1.3629748subvention

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by bristolboy

[zorrow424]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Right, because it's the south that depends on subsidies. And it's not the north that gets 11 billion pounds in subsidies every year from the UK. Because NI is so well run.

United Ireland would see living standards in Republic fall by 15%

Irish reunification would come at a high price for the Republic, reducing income and living standards by as much as 15 per cent, a new study has found.

The research, by economists John FitzGerald of Trinity College Dublin and Edgar Morgenroth of Dublin City University, suggests that in the event of a hard Brexit, the only way the North could stay in the EU is by leaving the UK, which opens up the possibility of a united Ireland.

However, this would pose a number of economic challenges, not least how the Republic would accommodate the €11 billion  Northern Ireland receives annually from the UK, which equates to 25 per cent of its national income.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/united-ireland-would-see-living-standards-in-republic-fall-by-15-1.3629748subvention

 

eire is going to see its living standards fall a lot further than this when Brexit occurs in 24 days time

  Should not worry too much about UK paying anything to anybody either   ,took best part of 70 years for UK to settle its debts to USA after WW2.

  Do not think EU will be around for 70 days when UK pulls the plug on it

[bristolboy]

Just now, zorrow424 said:

eire is going to see its living standards fall a lot further than this when Brexit occurs in 24 days time

  Should not worry too much about UK paying anything to anybody either   ,took best part of 70 years for UK to settle its debts to USA after WW2.

  Do not think EU will be around for 70 days when UK pulls the plug on it

You're not the only Brexiter who suffers from an exaggerated notion of of the UK's importance to Ireland. Time to acquaint you with some facts:

1. United States: US$46 billion (27.9% of total Irish exports)
2. Belgium: $21.7 billion (13.2%)
3. United Kingdom: $18.7 billion (11.4%)
4. Germany: $12.2 billion (7.4%)
5. Netherlands: $9 billion (5.4%)
6. Switzerland: $7.7 billion (4.6%)
7. France: $6.2 billion (3.8%)
8. China: $5.4 billion (3.3%)
9. Japan: $4.6 billion (2.8%)
10. Italy: $4.3 billion (2.6%)
11. Spain: $3 billion (1.8%)
12. Mexico: $1.7 billion (1%)
13. Canada: $1.6 billion (1%)
14. Poland: $1.4 billion (0.8%)
15. Sweden: $1.1 billion (0.7%)http://www.worldstopexports.com/irelands-top-import-partners/

And for someone like you who is so obsessed with the balance of trade, there's this:

"In 2018, UK exports to Ireland were worth £38.3 billion; imports from Ireland were £21.9 billion, resulting in a trade surplus of £16.4 billion with Ireland."

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8173

[sawadee1947]

6 hours ago, chrisinth said:

Yep, that should sort out Brexit.

 

But will also re-ignite troubles in NI that the British government do not want, or indeed will not be able to handle. It would be an extremely difficult step to sell out NI to a United Ireland.

Well, but a reunited Ireland is the best solution. 

Even BJ offers a say of NI where they might tend to belong every, 4 years. 

So let UK jump! 

????????????????

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

BS BJ is trying all his darts to blame Eu for his madness incompetence, he is breaking the good friday agreement as well if a no deal, lets have a heavily armed borders by EU forces.

EU forces. Wow. Great idea.

[zorrow424]

19 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You're not the only Brexiter who suffers from an exaggerated notion of of the UK's importance to Ireland. Time to acquaint you with some facts:

1. United States: US$46 billion (27.9% of total Irish exports)
2. Belgium: $21.7 billion (13.2%)
3. United Kingdom: $18.7 billion (11.4%)
4. Germany: $12.2 billion (7.4%)
5. Netherlands: $9 billion (5.4%)
6. Switzerland: $7.7 billion (4.6%)
7. France: $6.2 billion (3.8%)
8. China: $5.4 billion (3.3%)
9. Japan: $4.6 billion (2.8%)
10. Italy: $4.3 billion (2.6%)
11. Spain: $3 billion (1.8%)
12. Mexico: $1.7 billion (1%)
13. Canada: $1.6 billion (1%)
14. Poland: $1.4 billion (0.8%)
15. Sweden: $1.1 billion (0.7%)http://www.worldstopexports.com/irelands-top-import-partners/

And for someone like you who is so obsessed with the balance of trade, there's this:

"In 2018, UK exports to Ireland were worth £38.3 billion; imports from Ireland were £21.9 billion, resulting in a trade surplus of £16.4 billion with Ireland."

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8173

Peanuts in the scheme of things,   93 billion deficit wiped out   8 billion   membership fee wiped out     ireland to pay Brussels 11 billion   peanuts dear boy  peanuts     good reference Wiki  live by the book  die by it   24 days to go

Edited October 7, 2019 by zorrow424

[nauseus]

17 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You're not the only Brexiter who suffers from an exaggerated notion of of the UK's importance to Ireland. Time to acquaint you with some facts:

1. United States: US$46 billion (27.9% of total Irish exports)
2. Belgium: $21.7 billion (13.2%)
3. United Kingdom: $18.7 billion (11.4%)
4. Germany: $12.2 billion (7.4%)
5. Netherlands: $9 billion (5.4%)
6. Switzerland: $7.7 billion (4.6%)
7. France: $6.2 billion (3.8%)
8. China: $5.4 billion (3.3%)
9. Japan: $4.6 billion (2.8%)
10. Italy: $4.3 billion (2.6%)
11. Spain: $3 billion (1.8%)
12. Mexico: $1.7 billion (1%)
13. Canada: $1.6 billion (1%)
14. Poland: $1.4 billion (0.8%)
15. Sweden: $1.1 billion (0.7%)http://www.worldstopexports.com/irelands-top-import-partners/

And for someone like you who is so obsessed with the balance of trade, there's this:

"In 2018, UK exports to Ireland were worth £38.3 billion; imports from Ireland were £21.9 billion, resulting in a trade surplus of £16.4 billion with Ireland."

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8173

That's all great. But 50% of all Irish agri food exports go to the UK and that sector is what the Irish are fairly most worried about.

[bristolboy]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

That's all great. But 50% of all Irish agri food exports go to the UK and that sector is what the Irish are fairly most worried about.

"Total value of agri-food exports in 2017 was almost €13.6 billion - 38% (€5.2 billion) went to UK;"

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/brexit/tradeandstatistics/

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

"Total value of agri-food exports in 2017 was almost €13.6 billion - 38% (€5.2 billion) went to UK;"

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/brexit/tradeandstatistics/

OK this one is less too but still critical for Ireland. Says about 40% overall to UK (including mushrooms).

 

https://www.ifa.ie/brexit/brexit-ireland/

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Agree not enough yet, but for the first time there seems to be some progress and maybe even a way out.

Which progress? In fact the Boris' propoosals are a stap back from what the 27 remaining EU member sstates are just willing to accept. Since Dec 2013, when Cameron came with his referendum idea, nearly 6 years time to think about.. what if.. and then next.  

Simple: 1 Nov 00:00:01 third country import duty AND line up for a Schengen visa. Does the UK not honour their commitments, so why the EU should honour THIER commetments ? Start with not paying one cent in pensions to all British who worked in the EU organisation. Mr Farange c.s.: good luck with their pension, retirement and unemployment payments, go to Boris c.s.

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, chrisinth said:

Yep, that should sort out Brexit.

 

But will also re-ignite troubles in NI that the British government do not want, or indeed will not be able to handle. It would be an extremely difficult step to sell out NI to a United Ireland.

Just let the Northern Irish "enjoy" a few months of being a "third country" for the EU. Even Ian Paysley will return from his grave to ask Dublin for permission to re-unite.

For Eire: sorry, the price to pay. Start with increasing the frequency of the ferry from Dublin to Cherbourg to 2-3x/wk + extension to Zeebrugge (and maybe Rotterdam). 

Maybe even think of the Gaelic (con) federation: Eire, Ulster, Scotland... just as Belgium: Flanders, Wallone, Brussels and the East Cantons.

[Monomial]

1 hour ago, rhyddid said:

BS BJ is trying all his darts to blame Eu for his madness incompetence, he is breaking the good friday agreement as well if a no deal, lets have a heavily armed borders by EU forces.

 

Actually, I don't think that is exactly true. In fact, the UK has already implied that they will not impose border checks on their side of the border. The UK, being totally in control of what they can commit to, is actually fully able to continue the terms of the GFA if they so desire. The problem is on the Ireland side of the border. They will be forced into a position where they have conflicting agreements. They can either honour the GFA, or honour their commitments to the EU, but not both. They will be forced into breaking the GFA, and that is why they are pushing so hard to stop this.  The UK has room to maneuver after a hard brexit. Ireland, as part of the EU, will be hamstrung.

 

The consequence is the same, but it will technically be Ireland that must abandon the GFA in a hard brexit.  Eire could always choose to quit the EU along with the UK and not break the GFA.  They won't, but that option is there for them.

 

[bristolboy]

47 minutes ago, nauseus said:

OK this one is less too but still critical for Ireland. Says about 40% overall to UK (including mushrooms).

 

https://www.ifa.ie/brexit/brexit-ireland/

Critical for Irish agriculture, maybe. But I've got news for you, Ireland isn't primarily an agricultural economy anymore. Not even secondarily. 

In 2017, agriculture contributed around 1.17 percent to the GDP of Ireland, 36.2 percent came from the industry and 56.46 percent from the service sector.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/375575/ireland-gdp-distribution-across-economic-sectors/

Also, the UK exports about 13.2 billion pounds worth of agricultural production to the EU. Some of that presumably could be replaced by Irish production

Edited October 7, 2019 by bristolboy

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

That game has been and is being played by both sides.

 

The EU and May, either through her incompetence or connivance, proposed a deal, that was unacceptable to just about everyone in the UK.

 

Boris and his cronies have exploited that to get the no deal they want to cash in their investments and hedging, Boris possibly thinks that by crashing out he'll gain a lot of favor with a large section of the electorate which will propel him into a new term as PM with a majority in parliament of like minded Tories.

 

Tusk, Juncker etc will be aware of all this. There original plan, May's deal has been thwarted. They might play the long game. If they do nothing, Boris will be legally forced to apply for an extension using the legally required letter. If he tries tricks, he'll be in contempt and all hell will break loose. That could well result in a GE, and then who knows. A remain government could be elected. It's in the EU's interests, at the moment, to grant an extension, and watch the UK government and politicians destroy themselves.

The new Boris'deal is acceptable for the UK Parliament ? ? Or jus the next hixckup ?

As the French already said a 6 months ago: why to grant the British AGAIN a delay ? They then joined the rest, by granting 6 months instead of 3 months. What happened ? Close-to-nothing.

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

You're not the only Brexiter who suffers from an exaggerated notion of of the UK's importance to Ireland. Time to acquaint you with some facts:

1. United States: US$46 billion (27.9% of total Irish exports)
2. Belgium: $21.7 billion (13.2%)
3. United Kingdom: $18.7 billion (11.4%)
4. Germany: $12.2 billion (7.4%)
5. Netherlands: $9 billion (5.4%)
6. Switzerland: $7.7 billion (4.6%)
7. France: $6.2 billion (3.8%)
8. China: $5.4 billion (3.3%)
9. Japan: $4.6 billion (2.8%)
10. Italy: $4.3 billion (2.6%)
11. Spain: $3 billion (1.8%)
12. Mexico: $1.7 billion (1%)
13. Canada: $1.6 billion (1%)
14. Poland: $1.4 billion (0.8%)
15. Sweden: $1.1 billion (0.7%)http://www.worldstopexports.com/irelands-top-import-partners/

And for someone like you who is so obsessed with the balance of trade, there's this:

"In 2018, UK exports to Ireland were worth £38.3 billion; imports from Ireland were £21.9 billion, resulting in a trade surplus of £16.4 billion with Ireland."

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8173

Brexiteers still live with their minds in the time of Kitchener and Gordon, the time the English could rob the Irish as musch as they pleased. Never any knowledge about the present situation, no skills to search on internet.

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Brexiteers still live with their minds in the time of Kitchener and Gordon, the time the English could rob the Irish as musch as they pleased. Never any knowledge about the present situation, no skills to search on internet.

In what way do Brexiteers want to steal anything from Ireland ?

Who wants to steal what from Ireland ?

Or is your post just nonsense ?

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, zorrow424 said:

Do not think EU will be around for 70 days when UK pulls the plug on it

For the netherlands, the ONLY party who wants a Nexit = PVV, went back from 4 to ZERO ( o) seats in the EU parliament.

AfD: against muslim immigration, but EU... Mr Selfini is now in the opposition , so ... And Marie le Pen.. is also not so active anymore for a Frexit. All learned a LOT from the UK disaster

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, zorrow424 said:

Peanuts in the scheme of things,   93 billion deficit wiped out   8 billion   membership fee wiped out     ireland to pay Brussels 11 billion   peanuts dear boy  peanuts     good reference Wiki  live by the book  die by it   24 days to go

This amount easily comes out of the import duty into the EU of UK goods. 

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

For the netherlands, the ONLY party who wants a Nexit = PVV, went back from 4 to ZERO ( o) seats in the EU parliament.

AfD: against muslim immigration, but EU... Mr Selfini is now in the opposition , so ... And Marie le Pen.. is also not so active anymore for a Frexit. All learned a LOT from the UK disaster

Not completely fair with FvD gaining a lot in the Netherlands.

[bristolboy]

13 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Brexiteers still live with their minds in the time of Kitchener and Gordon, the time the English could rob the Irish as musch as they pleased. Never any knowledge about the present situation, no skills to search on internet.

 

9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

In what way do Brexiteers want to steal anything from Ireland ?

Who wants to steal what from Ireland ?

Or is your post just nonsense ?

It is, or should be, that puipotom was referring to past British depradations. And quite a few posters on Thaivisa.com still apparently believe that Eire is pretty much today as it was 50 years ago.

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

 

It is, or should be, that puipotom was referring to past British depradations. And quite a few posters on Thaivisa.com still apparently believe that Eire is pretty much today as it was 50 years ago.

Who are those posters that you speak of ?

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

That's all great. But 50% of all Irish agri food exports go to the UK and that sector is what the Irish are fairly most worried about.

First of all: English rule did not bring much to Northern Ireland nor the other occupied areas on the "British" Isles:

According to Eurostat figures there are huge regional disparities in the UK with GDP per capita. There are 26 areas in the UK where the GDP per person is under £14,500 (€20,000)

.1 million (60% of Northern Irish) live in these deprived Northern Irish districts. 3 of these in Northern Ireland: Outer Belfast, North of Northern Ireland, West & South of Northern Ireland.

1.4 million (45% of Welsh) live in these deprived Welsh districts.

1.1 million (20% of Scottish) live in these deprived Scottish districts

4.5 million (8.5% of English) live in these deprived English districts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Northern_Ireland.

Time to throw out these English parasites.

 

Second: Minor question: Where the UK wants to get their ( mostly fresh) agri goods then from ? Especially with less "Eat-Europeans"to wok in their farms, pick fruits, vegetables etc? Maybe the Inner-London West are going to do the jobs ?  Or: import from Canada, Nw Zealand ? Or.. simply .. eat less "fresh"?

 

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/agri-food-exports-to-uk-hold-firm-under-brexit-cloud/

The UK accounted for €4.5 billion – an increase of 2% compared to 2017 – despite the tail effects of significant currency challenges in 2017. ( Another word for: downfall of the GBP compared with the €uro) 

 

The Irish succeeded to increase their exports to other destinations then the UK already

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/irish-agri-food-exports-dip-4-to-e12-billion-in-2018/

However, in 2018 22% of cheese exports were destined for countries outside of the UK and continental Europe – a significant increase from 17% in 2010.

In 2018 the value of cheese exports to Asia and to North America increased 12% and 35% respectively to a total value of €75 million.

https://www.bordbia.ie/industry/sector-profiles/facts-irish-agriculture-food-drink-sector/

 

 

[bristolboy]

Just now, sanemax said:

Who are those posters that you speak of ?

Recently there was Nauseus who claimed that because 40 percent of its agricultural exports went to the UK, that was critical for Ireland

There was Bamboozle who seemed to believe that the Northern Ireland was better run than southern Ireland.

Then there was Zorrow424 who claimed that Ireland's biggest export market was the UK. Bigger than the EU.

 

All this in less than 24 hours.