Popular Post SteveK Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, moe666 said: If you live in Thailand why not a proper visa, retirement or even the elite. Maybe not found a potential wife yet, not old enough to retire, not enough money for Elite, and no degree for a non-B and work permit? I think that would cover a lot of people who are trying to stay long term on tourist visas. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brewsterbudgen Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 So you do not have a work permit in Thailand now? Why would he? He's not working in Thailand!If after many years working here legally, what is the correct visa to enable you to return to look for a new job?Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, andy72 said: isnt he pretty enough for a story he spent twice as long in the toilet accommodation two days in hell BKK thailands premier airport there is always something missing in these stories its a blank passport only a Malaysia stamp in it and a SETV SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WALK OVER AT pb Blank new passport does not wipe out your former history in Immigration database (anymore.... as before...) ….Thai immigration entered the digital world ….and even more now the fingerprint and facial recognition recognize any one , now even Thai banks considering it to apply for I.D. Edited October 10, 2019 by david555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, SteveK said: not old enough to retire, OP says he is 53 in his first and only post. "I'm a Engineering consultant, i'm 53 years old, and I've been traveling internationally for thirty years now to all corners of the globe" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, moe666 said: If you live in Thailand why not a proper visa, retirement or even the elite. What if you're not retired, but an offshore worker? Plenty of people working the oil/mining business one month on/one month off. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tayaout Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, BritManToo said: What if you're not retired, but an offshore worker? Plenty of people working the oil/mining business one month on/one month off. You come Thailand too mut. When you go back your country? ???? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveK Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tayaout said: You come Thailand too mut. When you go back your country? ???? No wonder their tourism industry is up the swanny. Edited October 10, 2019 by SteveK 6 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sallecc Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Tayaout said: 12.9 is for not having 20K. They denied him under 12.2 no appropriate means of living in thailand (this is no necessarily about money) and 12.3 because they suspect him of working in Thailand since he has a lot of previous work permit. In Hong Kong they have 180 days / year rule (unwritten, like in Thailand), but they are fair enough to give 7-day entry stamp for people to pick up their stuff, no need to treat them like criminals... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aspenbkk Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) i come and go approx 5 times a year from uk to thailand i have all the money and hotel bookings and insurance also and everytime at immigration i am stopped quizzed why i am here. on the the way out i asked at immigration why i am harassed they say no you will be welcome again next month when you comeback its rubbish one does not know from the other what the rules are ? they give you 30 days entry but ask why you are here if you are here more than 3 times a year i also have no overstays or convictions . Thailand is finished for now for westerners low currency exchange lots of hassle getting in im getting to old for this <deleted> im off where no hassle getting in places i to have been waiting on this happening and you have opened my eyes to it happening now im off too other places welcome you in not not interrogate you for being a tourist spending your money . Edited October 10, 2019 by aspenbkk 12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post david555 Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Skallywag said: OP says he is 53 in his first and only post. "I'm a Engineering consultant, i'm 53 years old, and I've been traveling internationally for thirty years now to all corners of the globe" I would know what to do in his case to avoid all that hassle and having a good out of country job , being 53 and having the needed funds …..just take a ret Extension ….. I applied just recent my 6th with no hassle ,no agent use , and all done in 30 minutes including bank visit for letter ….flash swift application granted . And even today in 10 minutes my re entry application (application + correct documents ) They ask us to jump … so jump …. just as when you did your army service ! And all works out fine 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JimmyJ Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 hours ago, SteveK said: It's getting ridiculous now. These stories need to get out into the public domain, I'm sure there are some newspapers who's be interested in stories such as these. I was planning to write the same message. These stories need to be posted not only on TVF but on Tripadvisor.com, and all the similar sites. The OP just needs to cut and paste what he's written, and post it to numerous forums. If all the people who have posted these horror stories here also posted them on these sites, there would be a lot of pressure on Thailand by now to loosen up or realize that their tourism will be hurt by these stories. 10 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerox Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Sorry about what happened to you and how you were treated. Just do retirement visa, you are above 50 and do not work in TH, so then you can go in and out as you want. Everybody who travels to Thailand too much with a tourist visa / visa-exempt, should only do it via a "safer" airport, better even land border and not from far away - max. 1-2h by plane. It is just too risky now to fly in +10h because you could get refused - then you have to fly 2x +10h again and buy the tickets. Next year I will reduce my time in TH to only max. 4 months per year, but never ever again will I fly into TH from far away. Just too much stress and risk. Just use Malaysia and Singapore as a hub for those in that situation. Nor worth it flying via Bangkok. Maybe one day they say I have been here in the past too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Momofarang Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said: Unbelievable situation. It really does appear the at"IO discretion" part of their role, should be removed and retraining needs to occur for all staff on the LAW. Again it is proof of Thailand being 3rd world in administration 3rd world, period. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cerox Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, JimmyJ said: I was planning to write the same message. These stories need to be posted not only on TVF but on Tripadvisor.com, and all the similar sites. The OP just needs to cut and paste what he's written, and post it to numerous forums. If all the people who have posted these horror stories here also posted them on these sites, there would be a lot of pressure on Thailand by now to loosen up or realize that their tourism will be hurt by these stories. What pressure? They achieve their goal to get us out. This is what they want, I suppose? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mockingbird Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 There's been a few horror stories about the Pedang Besar border crossing now. Like Poipet, it's to be avoided. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post onera1961 Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, SteveK said: It should be criminal for them to refuse you entry on not having sufficient funds when you have 20k in your wallet and a Thai bank book with you. Why don't they have another reason for refusal such as "person attempted to enter on incorrect visa type", rather than using the same old insufficient funds as a catch all to deny anyone? Nothing criminal. In every country IOs have power to refuse entry for any reason, right or wrong. In some countries, you may have recourse to an independent judiciary to resolve conflicts which Thailand lacks or not fully developed. One cant assert entry rights in any foreign country even if all papers are in order. His report loudly speaks of his assertion to superior rights to enter Thailand becuase he has done blah blah blah. Nobody cares. Edited October 10, 2019 by onera1961 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dimitriv Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, FredGallaher said: It states he was on a tourist visa but had lived in Thailand 20+ years and had a girlfriend of 10 years. Doesn't really add up. Did you read what he wrote ? There are 2 posts that clearly show that you didn't. Edited October 10, 2019 by dimitriv 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, onera1961 said: Nothing criminal. In every country IOs have power to refuse entry for any reason, right or wrong. In some countries, you may have recourse to an independent judiciary to resolve conflicts which Thailand lacks or not fully developed. One cant assert entry rights in any foreign country even if all papers are in order. His report loudly speaks of his assertion to superior rights to enter Thailand becuase he has done blah blah blah. Nobody cares. Just to make clear a couple of points frequently posted in this forum, but not appreciated by many ... It is true that immigration officials in most countries are given complete discretion to deny entry for any or no reason. Thailand's immigration law is not written that way. The Immigration Act is clear about the reasons for which someone can be denied entry, and the officials are not given discretion to add their own. There is an appeal process when immigration is trying to deny entry improperly, but you are unlawfully now prevented from using it. Some make the point that, legal or not, immigration officials have the power to deny you entry, and I accept that this is true. That does not make their actions correct. As against that, if the OP was originally trying to enter visa exempt, then immigration does have the right to deny a visa exempt entry, and if they subsequently cited Section 12 (1) rather than Section 12 (2) and (3), their actions would likely be lawful. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 27 minutes ago, mockingbird said: There's been a few horror stories about the Pedang Besar border crossing now. Like Poipet, it's to be avoided. Ran the Padang Besar part past Mrs baboon. Her take (as is mine) was, 'Yep, no way did that not happen...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chivas Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 Suspect that the OP story is in fact entirely accurate albeit there may well have been an immigration issue over Visas. However being treated like a convicted criminal threatend with 2 months jail and 99 year bans is the antics of some outrageous Banana republic. Legalised abuse simple as. 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Don Mega Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Tayaout said: It's easy to understand what happened. He had a long history of stay in Thailand. Multiple previous work permits. He tried coming on visa exempt so they denied him. It comes as a shock for those who stayed here for a long time with this kind of pattern but they tightened the screw and the IO don't use critical thinking. This is unlikely to happen for non-o marriage/retirement or elite but you better start thinking about a Thai health insurance. I lived and worked here fulltime (same company) from mid 2006 to end of 2017... I quit my job and returned home to take care of some family matters, I returned fulltime in July (2019) having taken care of said family matters to a new job. During that time away I visited 8 times arriving visa exempt for 2 weeks at a time for the purpose of visiting my wife and dogs, every single time I was grilled by the I/O as they did not believe I was not coming to work illegally but begrudgingly they allowed entry each time but I did plonk my return ticket and 20k in cash on the desk............if not for them I doubt I would be allowed back in. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) Why is it always "begrudgingly"? Anyone would think they are being paid on commission for refusing entry to people. Edited October 10, 2019 by SteveK 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selatan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 55 minutes ago, mockingbird said: There's been a few horror stories about the Pedang Besar border crossing now. Like Poipet, it's to be avoided. It's Padang Besar, not Pedang Besar. padang = field, pedang=sword, besar=big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, FredGallaher said: It states he was on a tourist visa but had lived in Thailand 20+ years and had a girlfriend of 10 years. Doesn't really add up. One of his posts on this forum is from 2011 where he states that he has been staying in Thailand for 21 years already. I guess he had the wrong kind of visa. Why OP doesn't simply retire in Thailand as he is over 50 is a mystery. Edited October 10, 2019 by tgw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 You should have appealed and called a lawyer. Why don't you have a retirement visa if you lived here so long and have a girlfriend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baboon Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, SteveK said: Why is it always "begrudgingly"? Anyone would think they are being paid on commission for refusing entry to people. Dunno about being paid on commission, but a quota of people to refuse wouldn't surprise me in the slightest... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 hours ago, SteveK said: It's getting ridiculous now. These stories need to get out into the public domain, I'm sure there are some newspapers who's be interested in stories such as these. You can thanks all those digital nomads who have been taking the <deleted> all that time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayaout Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said: You can thanks all those digital nomads who have been taking the <deleted> all that time. Don't forget all those "risky" over 50 folks. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: What if you're not retired, but an offshore worker? Plenty of people working the oil/mining business one month on/one month off. Then you can still have a retirement visa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FritsSikkink Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, SteveK said: No wonder their tourism industry is up the swanny. Tourists don't have a problem, just the people who live here like the OP and try to do that on a tourist visa. 6 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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