Trump impeachment effort passes first test in divided U.S. Congress

[Sujo]

9 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Here is the Reality Koolaid: 

1. Mueller was going to get Trump.

Nope (just as I predicted)

2. The SDNY was going to get Trump.

Nope (just as I predicted)

3. The House is Going to Get Trump

Nope, I doubt they will be even able to draft articles of impeachment

4. A whole bunch of the nomenklatura are going to be indicted

Yep, that should be in a week or so.

5. Trump will be relected in a landslide.

 

So, who drank the Mueller Koolaid here? Not me. I prefer the reality flavour.

 

You can call me names now. I understand that so many of you Trump  opponents have had your dreams dashed, that he is still there, haunting your nightmares and you have the need to lash out. its OK. I love you all anyway, even the misguided are still human.

 

 

Thats, shall I say, an interesting way to view it.

 

1. Mueller was not allowed to get trump. He even stated that he could not. But did go so far as saying there was collusion and he cannot exonerate him.

 

2. SDNY are still investigating.

 

3. The house is still investigating.

 

4. The house is still investigating.

 

5. Irrelevant

[sfokevin]

32 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Here is the Reality Koolaid: 

When you read in writing that your President has said:

"I need you to do ME a favor though"...

 

Are you a proud American?... I for one am ashamed!...

[TopDeadSenter]

11 minutes ago, sfokevin said:

When you read in writing that your President has said:

"I need you to do ME a favor though"...

Are you confusing Schiff's entirely made up ramble with President's Trumps appropriate and fine telephone call with the Ukrainian leader? An easy mistake to make.

[Eric Loh]

42 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Trump will be relected in a landslide.

As the daily trip of bad news for Trump, even the Republican senators are having difficulty of not acknowledging that there is a strong case of quid pro quo. Powerful republicans are also worry that Trump may do unrepairable long term damage to the brand. Scaramucci a faithful republican and one time WH communication director is forming a pack transversing the hardcore red states to try convince the voters to back off nominating Trump in the next election. The dominos are certainly falling fast and also his re-election chances. 

[Nyezhov]

14 minutes ago, sfokevin said:

When you read in writing that your President has said:

"I need you to do ME a favor though"...

 

Are you a proud American?... I for one am ashamed!...

Totally proud. If I was in the white house Id turn the DOJ on Hunter and Joey.

 

 

 

 

[Nyezhov]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Scaramucci

yeah there is a guy who creates the confidence to start a movement.

 

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

transversing the hardcore red states to try convince the voters to back off nominating Trump in the next election. The dominos are certainly falling fast and also his re-election chances. 

Where did you get it? I mean, the bud? Thats USA stuff you are smoking!

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

yeah there is a guy who creates the confidence to start a movement.

 

Where did you get it? I mean, the bud? Thats USA stuff you are smoking!

I understand your anguish being a denier and loyalty; it’s a cult phenomenon. Getting to the real world where Trump got booed by even sport fans and even kids refusing his generosity at Halloween must be difficult to accept for you.   

[spidermike007]

Resign. Or be locked up eventually. Either way Trump is going down. 

[Nyezhov]

25 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I understand your anguish being a denier and loyalty; it’s a cult phenomenon. Getting to the real world where Trump got booed by even sport fans and even kids refusing his generosity at Halloween must be difficult to accept for you.   

Naw dude, Im here in Thailand having a great time, watching my portfolio grow, everyones health is good, we arent shooting too much at other peoples, business is booming, Im selling photos left and right, my kid is a proud hardworking healthy young woman making fat cash and traveling the world,  I slept late today and am finishing my coffee watching the weather while randomly cruising here (I usually avoid these topics because they are soooooooo predictable, Trmp bad, no hes not, you jerk, nyah nyah), reading the news and planning my journeys. I am confident in my own abilities to recognize bs, truth and fiction and have years of criminal defense legal work that gives me a bit more insight into US legal/political issues than some random Euro so in light of all that, truly...

 

Im having a great time ignoring the same old same old. I know whats going to happen and havent been proven wrong yet (well except that Hillary hasnt been indicted but who kknows).  I just like to make my opinion known here and there, its all cool to me, you guys can get all worked up, hell you are going to be worked up for the next 5 years, me Im smiling. The girls in Thermae were not very attractive last night and I had a fabulous Italian meal the night before. Fabulous!

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, LiamB80 said:

Trump’s legal counsel can also not be present.

That's untrue. According to the procedures published already:

 

Quote

... the president and his counsel “shall be invited” to attend hearings involving initial presentations of evidence to and the calling of witnesses by the Judiciary Committee ... The president’s counsel can make objections to the examination of witnesses or to the admissibility of testimony and evidence in the Judiciary Committee ... The president’s counsel can question witnesses in Judiciary Committee proceedings ... The president’s counsel can respond, orally or in writing as determined by the chair, to additional evidence presented ... The president’s counsel can propose additional testimony or evidence, ...the president’s counsel [is allowed] to make a concluding presentation ...

Quote

 

House resolution on impeachment

[metisdead]

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Posts using trolling memes have been removed as well as the replies. 

[Eric Loh]

38 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Naw dude, Im here in Thailand having a great time, watching my portfolio grow, everyones health is good, we arent shooting too much at other peoples, business is booming, Im selling photos left and right, my kid is a proud hardworking healthy young woman making fat cash and traveling the world,  I slept late today and am finishing my coffee watching the weather while randomly cruising here (I usually avoid these topics because they are soooooooo predictable, Trmp bad, no hes not, you jerk, nyah nyah), reading the news and planning my journeys. I am confident in my own abilities to recognize bs, truth and fiction and have years of criminal defense legal work that gives me a bit more insight into US legal/political issues than some random Euro so in light of all that, truly...

 

Im having a great time ignoring the same old same old. I know whats going to happen and havent been proven wrong yet (well except that Hillary hasnt been indicted but who kknows).  I just like to make my opinion known here and there, its all cool to me, you guys can get all worked up, hell you are going to be worked up for the next 5 years, me Im smiling. The girls in Thermae were not very attractive last night and I had a fabulous Italian meal the night before. Fabulous!

 

 

Your good life is acknowledged and Star Wars Bar is not exactly a place for good looking freelancers. 
 

Just see contradictions that a straight shooter like you would like someone who consistently lie (14,000 so far) and he even has the audacity to throw in any lie in Mississippi today about 100 M trade gain from tariff war with China. 
 

You also is a advocate for truth. Hurrah. We all do. Then why Trump is obstruction justice and preventing state officials from testifying and why his sensitive transcripts  in a special server. If the conservation with the Ukraine President was perfect, why twist yourself into a pretzel to avoid the inquiry. Just tell the truth. 
 

Your criminal defense experience may not be useful because he is not charge with any crime; just abuse of power using taxpayer money and possible violation of the Hobbs Act. As a defense lawyer, you really don’t decry guilt but just how well you defend. 

 

[candide]

28 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That's untrue. According to the procedures published already:

 

House resolution on impeachment

Come on! Pro-trump propaganda contradicted by facts? How surprising! 

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Totally proud. If I was in the white house Id turn the DOJ on Hunter and Joey.

 

 

 

 

But he didnt. He turned the ukrainian govt on him.

[Becker]

On 11/2/2019 at 10:30 AM, Nyezhov said:

Totally proud. If I was in the white house Id turn the DOJ on Hunter and Joey.

 

 

 

 

Yes, because that's where the real story is, not with Trump and is extortion of a foreign head of state!

Don't look here, look over there, over theeeeeere!!

 

[Thaidream]

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

otally proud. If I was in the white house Id turn the DOJ on Hunter and Joey.

And that is what Trump should have done. A responsible President would have made a report to the Justice Department and then the FBI would have been tasked to do an investigation.

 

Instead, Trump decided to send his personal lawyer Rudy Guliani to  Ukraine and attempt to 'persuafe' the Ukrainian President to start an investigation and use the $400 million of American military aid (already approved by Congress) as a bargain chip.  It was an obvious quip pro quo before the Ukrainian call.

 

In addition, Trump still believes that Crowdstrike exists, which is n alledged  conspiracy in which Ukain interferrd in the 2016 election and not Russia but framed Russia due to the Russian invaion of Crimea In fact, Guliani believes the same and Trump actually mentioned it to the Ukranian President.  This allged conspiracy has been investigated by the CIA; FBI and US Justice Department and found to be false.

 

Again, instead of Trump turning everything over to the proper US authorities- he arranges a personal call to the Ukrainian Preseident where he  discusses the Biden allegations and the military aid.  Others listening to the call were so upset that they contacted the proper  authorities indicating  that  something illegal may have been discussed.

 

John Bolton- who is a super hawk- and head of the National Security Committee resigned in disgust  over the Syrian debacle but also indicated that  Trump, Guilani and their minions were acting like there was a 'drug deal' underway.

 

Trump himself admitted to what was said and what he did. 

 

No resonable and responsbile person could possibly justify  asking a foreign power to intervene in a US election. It is illegal.  

 

You, of course, are welcome to your own opinion but in this case you are simply wrong.

 

Frankly, as much as I believe Donald Trump is a clear and present danger to the World- I would not impeach him but would lay out all the facts and let the American people decide in the enxt election.

 

If an impeachment vote  occurs- he will be impeached- but  when it goes to the Senate- I doubt he can be convicted.  Not because he is innocent but because the Republicans contain sycophants who put self interest above their own and not the countries.   

 

I very much doubt Trump can be re-elcted. He is much too divisive; does not have a grasp of the issues and is despised by most of the World. I don't despise him- but it is time he was sent back to where he came from to run his 4 time bankrupt company

[Becker]

9 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

And that is what Trump should have done. A responsible President would have made a report to the Justice Department and then the FBI would have been tasked to do an investigation.

 

Instead, Trump decided to send his personal lawyer Rudy Guliani to  Ukraine and attempt to 'persuafe' the Ukrainian President to start an investigation and use the $400 million of American military aid (already approved by Congress) as a bargain chip.  It was an obvious quip pro quo before the Ukrainian call.

 

In addition, Trump still believes that Crowdstrike exists, which is n alledged  conspiracy in which Ukain interferrd in the 2016 election and not Russia but framed Russia due to the Russian invaion of Crimea In fact, Guliani believes the same and Trump actually mentioned it to the Ukranian President.  This allged conspiracy has been investigated by the CIA; FBI and US Justice Department and found to be false.

 

Again, instead of Trump turning everything over to the proper US authorities- he arranges a personal call to the Ukrainian Preseident where he  discusses the Biden allegations and the military aid.  Others listening to the call were so upset that they contacted the proper  authorities indicating  that  something illegal may have been discussed.

 

John Bolton- who is a super hawk- and head of the National Security Committee resigned in disgust  over the Syrian debacle but also indicated that  Trump, Guilani and their minions were acting like there was a 'drug deal' underway.

 

Trump himself admitted to what was said and what he did. 

 

No resonable and responsbile person could possibly justify  asking a foreign power to intervene in a US election. It is illegal.  

 

You, of course, are welcome to your own opinion but in this case you are simply wrong.

 

Frankly, as much as I believe Donald Trump is a clear and present danger to the World- I would not impeach him but would lay out all the facts and let the American people decide in the enxt election.

 

If an impeachment vote  occurs- he will be impeached- but  when it goes to the Senate- I doubt he can be convicted.  Not because he is innocent but because the Republicans contain sycophants who put self interest above their own and not the countries.   

 

I very much doubt Trump can be re-elcted. He is much too divisive; does not have a grasp of the issues and is despised by most of the World. I don't despise him- but it is time he was sent back to where he came from to run his 4 time bankrupt company

6 times.

 

Link: Details About the 6 Trump Corporate Bankruptcies

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 11/1/2019 at 11:39 AM, BobBKK said:

What a farce!  ok for Biden to get the prosecutor sacked "or no aid" (on camera) but not ok for POTUS to ask about Biden's son working for a Ukraine company?  with ZERO experience?  really? 

 

Hypocrites!

There's a fundamental difference between the things you're trying to equate. It's OK and entirely appropriate for a Vice President to publicly carry out the clearly-stated and legitimately-established aims of US foreign policy as formulated by the State Department. Especially when pursuing that policy is in the best interests of the United States and is the agreed approach of the international community.

 

By contrast, it's not appropriate for a President to use a private phone call with a foreign leader to ask them to get information designed to help that President gain re-election while withholding military aid that was approved by Congress and when, by withholding it, you are acting contrary to US foreign policy interests.

 

Also, while I'm personally not in favour of a politician's son getting a lucrative foreign job in a country when their father is  involved in conducting US foreign policy with regard to that country (I think it smacks of influence peddling) there's no evidence of anything illegal having occurred.

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

There's a fundamental difference between the things you're trying to equate. It's OK and entirely appropriate for a Vice President to publicly carry out the clearly-stated and legitimately-established aims of US foreign policy as formulated by the State Department. Especially when pursuing that policy is in the best interests of the United States and is the agreed approach of the international community.

 

By contrast, it's not appropriate for a President to use a private phone call with a foreign leader to ask them to get information designed to help that President gain re-election while withholding military aid that was approved by Congress and when, by withholding it, you are acting contrary to US foreign policy interests.

 

Also, while I'm personally not in favour of a politician's son getting a lucrative foreign job in a country when their father is  involved in conducting US foreign policy with regard to that country (I think it smacks of influence peddling) there's no evidence of anything illegal having occurred.

In fact the company was indeed investigated and was found to have done nothing illegal.

[candide]

12 minutes ago, Sujo said:

In fact the company was indeed investigated and was found to have done nothing illegal.

Actually, That's probably why Trump did not use an official investigation procedure and the treaty of cooperation with Ukraine. The only reply he would have gotten from Ukraine would have been something like: the ministry of justice already made statements about it. The investigation about Burisma started before Hunter Biden was hired and had been already closed before his father threatened to withdraw aid If the corrupt prosecutor was not fired. Moreover, the case has been re-opened in 2016 and nothing was found.

Edited November 2, 2019 by candide

[Kelsall]

3 hours ago, Thaidream said:

 ...

I very much doubt Trump can be re-elcted. He is much too divisive; does not have a grasp of the issues and is despised by most of the World. I don't despise him- but it is time he was sent back to where he came from to run his 4 time bankrupt company

Have you seen his competition?

Edited November 2, 2019 by Kelsall

[olfu]

I see most of commenters obsessed  with life in Ivory Tower. Who accuse who, who is fake etc.

Instead I remember previous president comrade Hussein who promised Fundamental Transformation of  United States and I guess we moving somewhere.

As life in Ivory Tower is not accessible for peasant like me I pay attention to reality around--

crime rates--never going down and never discussed,

homelessness--steady for last 100 years and never discussed,

inflation--steadily going up and never discussed,

illegal immigration--never discussed

and myriads of other real life problems affecting me daily. 

[candide]

16 minutes ago, olfu said:

I see most of commenters obsessed  with life in Ivory Tower. Who accuse who, who is fake etc.

Instead I remember previous president comrade Hussein who promised Fundamental Transformation of  United States and I guess we moving somewhere.

As life in Ivory Tower is not accessible for peasant like me I pay attention to reality around--

crime rates--never going down and never discussed,

homelessness--steady for last 100 years and never discussed,

inflation--steadily going up and never discussed,

illegal immigration--never discussed

and myriads of other real life problems affecting me daily. 

You may be right (except for inflation which has remained at a low level since 2009). However, this a thread about Trump's impeachment.

[Kelsall]

The Republicans had some presents for those Dems in Trump country who voted for the "impeachment inquiry"  Get Packing! LOL

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/11/01/get-packing-gop-sent-moving-boxes-to-democrats-in-competitive-races-after-impe-n2555745/

Edited November 2, 2019 by Kelsall

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

The Republicans had some presents for those Dems in Trump country who voted for the "impeachment inquiry"  Get Packing! LOL

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/11/01/get-packing-gop-sent-moving-boxes-to-democrats-in-competitive-races-after-impe-n2555745/

Yup typical trump bulley and try to destroy anyone who dares to put country before party trumps gonna get exposed for what he is on prime time tv a failed wanna be mafia boss even failed with casinos probably won’t get removed he has ruined the Republican Party but 2020 he is toast imo

[PatOngo]

He may have drained the swamp, but he's replaced it with his own sludge, it's now a filthy cesspit! 

[BobBKK]

17 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

There's a fundamental difference between the things you're trying to equate. It's OK and entirely appropriate for a Vice President to publicly carry out the clearly-stated and legitimately-established aims of US foreign policy as formulated by the State Department. Especially when pursuing that policy is in the best interests of the United States and is the agreed approach of the international community.

 

By contrast, it's not appropriate for a President to use a private phone call with a foreign leader to ask them to get information designed to help that President gain re-election while withholding military aid that was approved by Congress and when, by withholding it, you are acting contrary to US foreign policy interests.

 

Also, while I'm personally not in favour of a politician's son getting a lucrative foreign job in a country when their father is  involved in conducting US foreign policy with regard to that country (I think it smacks of influence peddling) there's no evidence of anything illegal having occurred.

That is absurd. It's ok to force a country to sack it's prosecutor or no aid?  really?  and his son is on the board of a company being investigated?  and he is VP?  you would be apoplectic if that was Trumps son.

As for the phone call it looks perfectly innocent to me. I have no dog in the fight as I'm not American but if I were I'd support Gabbard or Yang.

[Nyezhov]

18 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

By contrast, it's not appropriate for a President to use a private phone call with a foreign leader to ask them to get information designed to help that President gain re-election while withholding military aid that was approved by Congress and when, by withholding it, you are acting contrary to US foreign policy interests.

1. There are no "private" phone calls with foreign leaders. There are lots of listeners on both sides.

 

2. Where is the proof. Factual, non hearsay proof, that would even meet the minimal standard of a civil case under US law that demonstrates that the President was seeking to get help in his relection campaign and that he was withholding aid to get that help.

 

There is none. 

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

1. There are no "private" phone calls with foreign leaders. There are lots of listeners on both sides.

 

2. Where is the proof. Factual, non hearsay proof, that would even meet the minimal standard of a civil case under US law that demonstrates that the President was seeking to get help in his relection campaign and that he was withholding aid to get that help.

 

There is none. 

Not this again. Impeachment is not a CRIMINAL process!

[Skallywag]

13 hours ago, Tug said:

trumps gonna get exposed for what he is on prime time tv

I read it will only be on cable news and digital news networks . Not just prime time, but ALL the time  555