Airbnb draws up guidelines for Thai landlords

[Guest]

Should our condo complex take down he 20 signs stating that short term rentals under one month are illegal and violators will be contacted by the police?  Was working perfectly ... until today.

[Wake Up]

AirBnB should be banned from condos. Thankfully my building owners do not allow short term rentals. If they did I would move and not rent my condo yearly. No long term renters or owners should have to put up with the hassles of AirBnB tourists renting rooms. That is why we have hotels. 

[Beggar]

30 minutes ago, Wake Up said:

AirBnB should be banned from condos. Thankfully my building owners do not allow short term rentals. If they did I would move and not rent my condo yearly. No long term renters or owners should have to put up with the hassles of AirBnB tourists renting rooms. That is why we have hotels. 

There are many condo owners and companies holding condos doing the same and this for very many years. Why only ban Airbnb? 

[ChipButty]

5 hours ago, wombat said:

i see nothing about 'in-room' cctv an optional extra?

Not allowed outside ok

 

[ChipButty]

1 hour ago, Beggar said:

There are many condo owners and companies holding condos doing the same and this for very many years. Why only ban Airbnb? 

Lots of OTA's out there they have to ban also I think Im right in saying Booking.com is bigger than airbnb

[JTXR]

It doesn't matter what the site facilitating the rental is.  My condo in BKK has big signs in the lobblies (in English) saying short-term (daily and weekly rentals) are illegal, but since they were put up about a year ago, the number of people obviously arriving on short-term stays has only increased. The guards at the gate and lobby doors, and the people in the juristic office, clearly know what is going on, but they let it continue.  Airbnb is only one of many English-speaking sites; there are no doubt Chinese and Indian sites too.  Many of the short-term visitors in my building, for example, are Chinese. 

I rent on a one-year contract; knowing how things are not, I would never buy a condo in Bangkok.

[ChipButty]

1 minute ago, JTXR said:

It doesn't matter what the site facilitating the rental is.  My condo in BKK has big signs in the lobblies (in English) saying short-term (daily and weekly rentals) are illegal, but since they were put up about a year ago, the number of people obviously arriving on short-term stays has only increased. The guards at the gate and lobby doors, and the people in the juristic office, clearly know what is going on, but they let it continue.  Airbnb is only one of many English-speaking sites; there are no doubt Chinese and Indian sites too.  Many of the short-term visitors in my building, for example, are Chinese. 

I rent on a one-year contract; knowing how things are not, I would never buy a condo in Bangkok.

Trip.com is the big Chinese one 

[The Preacher]

On 11/4/2019 at 4:35 PM, Lacessit said:

Yes, we have done that too and it just shoots back. Perhaps the village name is not in their database.

Maybe she doesn't know where she lives.

[zydeco]

10 hours ago, ehs818 said:

But there needs to be a night time CURFEW ENFORCED. Signs should be posted and a contact number for the owners should be supplied. Some of us go to work in the morning and I've had these renters up screaming loudly past 3:30am. Unacceptable.

You want a curfew on noise? In Thailand? Let me know when it happens. Over the past decade I've put up with carnival loudspeakers going on until 3 am, dogs barking continuously at night, monks chanting over loudspeakers day and night, people banging away with hammers and saws at 5 am.  Fortunately, I've gotten used to it--as well as losing some of my hearing over the years. Oh, yea. Welcome to Thailand.

[ChipButty]

32 minutes ago, zydeco said:

You want a curfew on noise? In Thailand? Let me know when it happens. Over the past decade I've put up with carnival loudspeakers going on until 3 am, dogs barking continuously at night, monks chanting over loudspeakers day and night, people banging away with hammers and saws at 5 am.  Fortunately, I've gotten used to it--as well as losing some of my hearing over the years. Oh, yea. Welcome to Thailand.

So you've not got a mosque in your area?

[Lacessit]

7 hours ago, madmen said:

Absolutely true. They cant stop monthly rentals though only daily weekly and thats the case in our building but still weeklies and dailies slip through even though there are pics in all the lifts showing police arresting law breakers and pics of handcuffs in the lobby with warnings....It STILL doesn't stop some renting daily 

I am wondering why owners in condos don't simply call the police if illegal rentals are happening. Or is that too naive of me, because the police are in on it as well?

[DLock]

12 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I am wondering why owners in condos don't simply call the police if illegal rentals are happening. Or is that too naive of me, because the police are in on it as well?

Police will not assist.

 

Immigration is who was finally able to help me, but their target was not the Guests, but the Owner, so the immigration had to raid when the Owners (or caretakers) were at the house at the same time as the Guests.

 

Owner was arrested for various breaches of Immigration. House was for sale the very next day.

 

The Juristic people were warned and made to put up signs and enforce no short term rentals.

 

In my case it was Chinese who crammed in 12-20 people into a 4 bedroom house and just abused the common areas and made so much noise and trash. The Owner continually said it was her extended family from China.

 

It took 4 months, but I succeeded.

[USNret]

On 11/4/2019 at 6:35 PM, Lacessit said:

Yes, we have done that too and it just shoots back. Perhaps the village name is not in their database.

Do it by lat/long? 

[WinnieTheKhwai]

On 11/4/2019 at 3:11 PM, Lacessit said:

AirBNB insist on locating an apartment my GF owns about 25 km away from where the map should show it, so they've lost her. Emails fall on deaf ears, or should that be blind eyes. Idiots.

There is an option to manually move the map marker.  The problem is really the way Thailand does addresses. I've never been able to add a listing without needing to adjust the marker, and it's urgent to do it because it can't be easily changed anymore after you get a booking.

If you did get a booking then it will require assistance from their support team, which can be tedious to get them to move the marker to the exact right spot.

 

On 11/4/2019 at 3:16 PM, worgeordie said:

I thought AirBNB,was illegal in Thailand,or have things changed.

regards Worgeordie

 

Things didn't change; journalists writing (and copying) that report from early 2018 didn't understand that court ruling (or the applicable laws and regulations) at at all.  Not an uncommon occurrence in print media in Thailand. 

 

On 11/4/2019 at 3:17 PM, Skallywag said:

So Newspapers are now in cahoots with AirBnB even when 16 months ago they reported the news saying AirBnB is illegal?   If it brings in money it is never illegal it seems. Hotels should be outraged 

Mai pen rai.

Court decides: AirBnB illegal in Thailand for daily and weekly rental

By webfact, May 16, 2018 in Thailand News

 

Right, that was a highly misleading article, especially the headline.   Yes you can't rent out a condo unit as a daily rental when it's not registered for short term rentals and the condominium operator has rules against it.  That was the extent of the legal ruling.  

The legal ruling was correct, the article highly misleading.  Welcome to Thailand.

 

On 11/4/2019 at 4:30 PM, Lacessit said:

It's a Thai rural village. Every time we have entered the correct address, it relocates us to the nearest capital city.

 

Try to move the marker manually after indicating that the address location is incorrect.  Also, AirBnB isn't great for getting bookings outside of major tourist centers, right near the main sights.   You could look at the new "Experiences" offering, that might get better traction if you can offer any kind of activity.  (Agro tourism of any kind, cooking class, etc.)  

[WinnieTheKhwai]

On 11/5/2019 at 2:35 PM, Beggar said:

There are many condo owners and companies holding condos doing the same and this for very many years. Why only ban Airbnb? 

 

Indeed nobody is banning AirBnB as a booking channel.  And many hotels, resorts, guesthouses, beach villas etc. etc. are all listing on AirBnB as well as Booking.com, agoda, Tripadvisor and many others.

 

 

On 11/5/2019 at 1:16 PM, the guest said:

AirBNB should be banned. another US disruptor. Middleman parasite making money for nothing. Takes business away from legitimate hotels and guesthouses who pay taxes and register with the local authorities. Thailand take notice !

 

Well, they make money facilitating a peer to peer business model, and doing it better than any company before or after them.   Both as a guest and a host it's much nicer renting via AirBnB than any other site, mostly due to the personal connection between the guest and the host.  They're much more of a travel community than just another OTA. (Online Travel Agent)

 

 

On 11/4/2019 at 8:10 PM, DLock said:

I dislike Airbnb and when I consider condos to invest in, I ask if I can rent with Airbnb, and the answer is invariably a very enthusiastic "can, can, no problem". So many of these condos are being sold with the expectation that I can use Airbnb, so of course they aren't going to put too much effort to end it....and the only people that can end it is the Juristic management. Existing condos are spent money...there is no upside.

 

The police cannot and won't do anything. Immigration is the only department that can help. I know first hand that you can ban Airbnb from your condo/moo Baan...but it's a very difficult frustrating fight, and best left to another post.

 

Maybe immigration can help if the host is completely hopeless at what they're doing and fails to comply with the most basic of immigration rules.

Immigration accepts an AirBnB booking confirmation page if the officer bothers to check the booked address  in Thailand when entering the country.  Also they readily issue logins to AirBnB hosts, and then filing a TM30 takes about 2 minutes.

 

On 11/5/2019 at 7:26 AM, Destiny1990 said:

I guess that People who like airbnb will say its legal and people who don’t like airbnb will say its illegal.

 

Very true.  Except that the people saying it's illegal (across the board) are wrong. ????

 

An individual listing could be illegal of course, just like many bigger guesthouses and smaller hotels are illegal.  But the booking channel really has nothing to do with legal status.