ThaiBob Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 18 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: I've not spoken to him but the only thing you can do is go for the O Or see an agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinLOS Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Thaidream said: Those applicants on an O-A prior to the start date, especially long term O-A extensions had no idea this would be a requirement for the future and planned their affairs with that in mind. Any country I know of to include Thailand have always grandfthered people when a new regulation/law or change came out. It is the only faair and mostly legal way to conduct business. There is no grandfathering listed in any of the orders except the maintenance of the 200k from (IIRC ?) 98.. Assuming there is grandfathering when it is not explicitly stated, when in other cases is was.. Seems hopeful at best. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewGuy Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) Earlier I gave my story in post 161. I just noticed something was hand written on my new visa extension, dated Nov 5, 2019 (my previous date was Dec 5, changed to insurance date). What does the note mean / does it affect me? Sorry for the large size. Next one will go through Image Size. Edited November 20, 2019 by NewGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovethailandelite Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, LivinLOS said: There is no grandfathering listed in any of the orders except the maintenance of the 200k from (IIRC ?) 98.. Assuming there is grandfathering when it is not explicitly stated, when in other cases is was.. Seems hopeful at best. This lot are going to have a melt down when Operation Foreigner phase 2 go's in, sometime during the second quarter of 2020. They will either need to comply or leave. 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaoNow Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 For NewGuy: The written portion in your PP page says, roughly, "approved for the period of policy coverage." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exploring Thailand Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Peter Denis said: Some relevant tips when opting for the +65K monthly income method: ... Thanks for that. I do have those items covered. The one thing it doesn't seem possible to anticipate is whether or not they will inquire into where the funds came from. As far as I know, there is nothing on their websites about providing them with documentation about that, of course that doesn't mean that they won't require documentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thaidream Posted November 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, LivinLOS said: There is no grandfathering listed in any of the orders except the maintenance of the 200k from (IIRC ?) 98.. Assuming there is grandfathering when it is not explicitly stated, when in other cases is was.. Seems hopeful at best. Regarding O-A Visas and extensions there is no grandfathering either stated explicitly or explicitly denied. However, there is precedent for doing it and that is why they stated the 200K income level applies to some lonstayers . Immigration, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Health are now on the 'hot seat since many foreigners have posted on facebook; other social media' and made complaints to their Embassies and Consuls in Thailand. These Embassies have come together in a united front and are asking the same questions we are asking. In the World of Country to country relationships there is reciprocity and Thailand at the moment is thinking very hard about what it has done and how to diplomatically answer the foreign Embassies and its own internal structure. The smart move is to Grandfather everyone holding a O-A Visa and extension prior to 31 October 2019 as it will 'buy' plenty of good will. In fact, they could care less about anyone- but they need to protect their status in the World. If the powers to be hold firm and do not at least grandfather on this issue- they will bear the consquences of almost universal condemnation which will transfer to other aspects of diplomacy not to mention the bad publicity of elderly foreigners losing their homes in Thailand and worse. Thailand does not hold all the aces in this one- 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidream Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Exploring Thailand said: Thanks for that. I do have those items covered. The one thing it doesn't seem possible to anticipate is whether or not they will inquire into where the funds came from. As far as I know, there is nothing on their websites about providing them with documentation about that, of course that doesn't mean that they won't require documentation. There is no law that states the 800K for retirement or 400K for marriage has to be sent from abroad unless one converts a VE or Tourist Visa to a Non O and then applies. Regarding the income method- if they want to see source of funds, this should be easy to provide- since every financial transaction has some source- pension deposit; investment deposit; rental income deposit etc . Simple letterhead from these entities and amounts should suffice. Most people have to declare this on the yealy foreign income tax. However, if someone is sending 65K per month from Thailand back to there home bank and recycling it then there is no real proof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianj1964 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Exploring Thailand said: I am in the first month of the twelve, so I can transfer it wherever I need to. I've made one transfer to Bangkok, but I can make another to Kasikorn. I'm aware that the transfer must be marked as international. From what I've read, using transferwise to transfer to Bangkok Bank, the transfer is guaranteed to marked as international, providing that you select the correct option from the drop-down when making the transfer. My query to OJAS was more concerned with Immigration wanting information about the provenance of the funds. I am transferring my own money. It is not a pension. Are you from the UK? i want to start transferring money from a Nationwide account using Transferwise, and at the final page it gives 3 options 1. Bank transfer 2. Debit card transfer 3. Swift transfer obvioudly if I was going it alone I would use swift, do all 3 options show as international transfers once it hits my Krungsri account or do I still have to use Swift method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thaidream Posted November 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lovethailandelite said: his lot are going to have a melt down when Operation Foreigner phase 2 go's in, sometime during the second quarter of 2020. They will either need to comply or leave. And of course us lot- should be so very grateful to you for telling us to bend over and comply or get out. I'm packing my bags and have them ready- shaking in my boots. The tears are rolling down my eyes. My wife and children are screaming. Please help us- the sky is falling. Edited November 20, 2019 by Thaidream 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoshi Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, brianj1964 said: Are you from the UK? i want to start transferring money from a Nationwide account using Transferwise, and at the final page it gives 3 options 1. Bank transfer 2. Debit card transfer 3. Swift transfer obvioudly if I was going it alone I would use swift, do all 3 options show as international transfers once it hits my Krungsri account or do I still have to use Swift method? If using Transferwise select Bank Transfer. Your transferring from your account to TW's account in the UK. There is no charge for transfer from your Nationwide account to TW's account. (Faster payments option). It will not be coded as an International transfer when received at your Krungsri account. You need to request a separate 'credit advice' receipt from Krungsri for every transaction as proof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoshi Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Exploring Thailand said: My query to OJAS was more concerned with Immigration wanting information about the provenance of the funds. I am transferring my own money. It is not a pension. At Roi Et last week they were requesting a letter from your Pension provider or similar as proof of income origination, plus additional proof of transfers. Transferwise pdf receipts were accepted. They claim they have been told to check additional documentation when using the monthly income method due to abuse of the system and the inability to provide a source of the income. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinLOS Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Thaidream said: If the powers to be hold firm and do not at least grandfather on this issue- they will bear the consquences of almost universal condemnation which will transfer to other aspects of diplomacy not to mention the bad publicity of elderly foreigners losing their homes in Thailand and worse. chirp chirp.. *crickets* Quote Thailand does not hold all the aces in this one- They do tho dont they.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinLOS Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, brianj1964 said: Are you from the UK? i want to start transferring money from a Nationwide account using Transferwise, and at the final page it gives 3 options 1. Bank transfer 2. Debit card transfer 3. Swift transfer obvioudly if I was going it alone I would use swift, do all 3 options show as international transfers once it hits my Krungsri account or do I still have to use Swift method? That is how you fund the transfer.. not the reception side.. You need to select the dropdown under 'reason for transfer' or purpose or similar.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianj1964 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, LivinLOS said: That is how you fund the transfer.. not the reception side.. You need to select the dropdown under 'reason for transfer' or purpose or similar.. I did that bit, it said " long stay" or something similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianj1964 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Tanoshi said: If using Transferwise select Bank Transfer. Your transferring from your account to TW's account in the UK. There is no charge for transfer from your Nationwide account to TW's account. (Faster payments option). It will not be coded as an International transfer when received at your Krungsri account. You need to request a separate 'credit advice' receipt from Krungsri for every transaction as proof. I made an initial small transfer today to ensure it went smoothly, TW took the money immediately though they did make a small deduction, I'm guessing their fee for doing it, though I was hoping it automatically credited as an international transfer, having to ask Krugsri every time I transfer money for proof, if I read you correctly could be a pain, I have a really bad memory and lose stuff easily thanks for your advice, appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Tanoshi said: At Roi Et last week they were requesting a letter from your Pension provider or similar as proof of income origination, plus additional proof of transfers. Transferwise pdf receipts were accepted. They claim they have been told to check additional documentation when using the monthly income method due to abuse of the system and the inability to provide a source of the income. they can't seem to grasp that people can transfer money over which isn't pension money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 9 hours ago, Tanoshi said: At Roi Et last week they were requesting a letter from your Pension provider or similar as proof of income origination, plus additional proof of transfers. Transferwise pdf receipts were accepted. They claim they have been told to check additional documentation when using the monthly income method due to abuse of the system and the inability to provide a source of the income. Abuse of the system sure, but the abuse is being carried out by the local immigration office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deej Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Thaidream said: Regarding O-A Visas and extensions there is no grandfathering either stated explicitly or explicitly denied. However, there is precedent for doing it and that is why they stated the 200K income level applies to some lonstayers . Immigration, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Health are now on the 'hot seat since many foreigners have posted on facebook; other social media' and made complaints to their Embassies and Consuls in Thailand. These Embassies have come together in a united front and are asking the same questions we are asking. In the World of Country to country relationships there is reciprocity and Thailand at the moment is thinking very hard about what it has done and how to diplomatically answer the foreign Embassies and its own internal structure. The smart move is to Grandfather everyone holding a O-A Visa and extension prior to 31 October 2019 as it will 'buy' plenty of good will. In fact, they could care less about anyone- but they need to protect their status in the World. If the powers to be hold firm and do not at least grandfather on this issue- they will bear the consquences of almost universal condemnation which will transfer to other aspects of diplomacy not to mention the bad publicity of elderly foreigners losing their homes in Thailand and worse. Thailand does not hold all the aces in this one- ^^^^ 5555 In addition to the above. According to the usual suspect posters on this thread. Non O visa holders. are next on the firing line to have medical insurance. If this happens All Hell will break loose .due to very obvious humanity reasons for starters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, deej said: All Hell will break loose .due to very obvious humanity reasons for starters Many other countries also require people to have health insurance, this is hardly ground breaking. If you would ask people in Europe about their opinion that Thailand requires people to have health insurance, they would probably not say anything negative about it, and they might even be surprised that this wasn't required already. Thailand doesn't care much about humanitarien reasons, you might want to read about stateless as well as refugee camps in Thailand. They might care about bad press, but by requiring health insurance they will hardly get any bad press in foreign countries, so this is not an issue. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UncleMhee Posted November 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, jackdd said: Many other countries also require people to have health insurance, this is hardly ground breaking. If you would ask people in Europe about their opinion that Thailand requires people to have health insurance, they would probably not say anything negative about it, and they might even be surprised that this wasn't required already. It's not the requirement to have it that's at issue; it the manner in which it's being applied. As an O-A holder I sourced insurance that would last me two years, every two years from my home country. When applying for my visa, prior to this <deleted> debacle, I always included my certificate with my application. The changes in the last two year go around are just about the last straw. At least I won't have money tied up here that I'll have to fight tooth and nail for, to get back home. The departments responsible are no more than a pack of over indulged, self entitled bunch of galoots. BTW....my $1200 two year insurance ran rings around their BS policies, and would also repatriate me dead or alive! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Is the OA insurance having a big impact ? Judging by the amount of posts/threads, it would appear that its not having a broad impact. Past issues like income letters, changes to seasoning, tm30, have all seen 1,000s of posts, a new thread every hour etc. I can only presume the changes dont effect many people, It would appear most people started with a Non-O and its business as usual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAppletons Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: Is the OA insurance having a big impact ? Judging by the amount of posts/threads, it would appear that its not having a broad impact. Past issues like income letters, changes to seasoning, tm30, have all seen 1,000s of posts, a new thread every hour etc. I can only presume the changes dont effect many people, It would appear most people started with a Non-O and its business as usual. It's only been in effect for 21 days - a bit early to reach any conclusions regarding impact or lack thereof. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike787 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 It's a brutal and unnecessary process. Why can't it be as simple in so many countries, ie cambo, vietnam, USA, Canada, Australia, etc 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Momofarang Posted November 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2019 42 minutes ago, jackdd said: Many other countries also require people to have health insurance, this is hardly ground breaking. If you would ask people in Europe about their opinion that Thailand requires people to have health insurance, they would probably not say anything negative about it, and they might even be surprised that this wasn't required already. Thailand doesn't care much about humanitarien reasons, you might want to read about stateless as well as refugee camps in Thailand. They might care about bad press, but by requiring health insurance they will hardly get any bad press in foreign countries, so this is not an issue. I can only agree, however I would wish our embassies stepped in to show, to the idiots who have implemented the current scheme, how unfair it is to request from people who have excellent health cover to buy one their useless Thai insurances. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, TheAppletons said: It's only been in effect for 21 days - a bit early to reach any conclusions regarding impact or lack thereof. Yes, you are probably right but for other issues Thai-visa goes into meltdown. I just cant help but think not many started with an OA so not many are affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andrew Dwyer Posted November 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: Yes, you are probably right but for other issues Thai-visa goes into meltdown. I just cant help but think not many started with an OA so not many are affected. Not sure of the actual numbers of people on valid OA’s or extensions thereof but I think many are planning their escape from insurance via an O visa or if have a long time left on their extension ( like myself, sept 2020 ) and are still letting the dust settle before making their decision. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deej Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, jackdd said: Many other countries also require people to have health insurance, this is hardly ground breaking. If you would ask people in Europe about their opinion that Thailand requires people to have health insurance, they would probably not say anything negative about it, and they might even be surprised that this wasn't required already. Thailand doesn't care much about humanitarien reasons, you might want to read about stateless as well as refugee camps in Thailand. They might care about bad press, but by requiring health insurance they will hardly get any bad press in foreign countries, so this is not an issue. Thank you for your reponse???? From my view The 800ks was put in place to cover unforseen Medical costs etc etc Please be free to correct me if i am mistaken???? They are in such a pickle presently implementing the OA visa medical cover etc etc Image the mess introducing a Non O medical cover etc etc which is far larger in numbers. Grand Fathering In. is the simple soloution And apply the Medical cover for any future applicants . just my 1 bahts worth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peterw42 Posted November 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, deej said: Thank you for your reponse???? From my view The 800ks was put in place to cover unforseen Medical costs etc etc Please be free to correct me if i am mistaken???? They are in such a pickle presently implementing the OA visa medical cover etc etc Image the mess introducing a Non O medical cover etc etc which is far larger in numbers. Grand Fathering In. is the simple soloution And apply the Medical cover for any future applicants . just my 1 bahts worth The 800k was never put on place to cover medical, its to show you have enough to live here. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Martyp Posted November 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: The 800k was never put on place to cover medical, its to show you have enough to live here. One of the many mysteries considering you aren’t allowed to spend it. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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