I'm held by immigration in suvarnabhumi airport

[lapamita]

 I was last year november already stopped with a non o multi ..and get a passport screening and an advice of a highrank officer in charge , that Non o , are not for frequent stay ( even in 1 yr i have over 10 exits and more than 4 month outside thailand.

 

REASON: he said: NON O  is only for temporary stays, up to 180 days /year ,and if stay more i need go immi,and i could get problems later entering thailand

 

 

I am quiet sure a non o multi will not eixist more in the near comming future, and will not be issued anymore

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, lapamita said:

I am quiet sure a non o multi will not eixist more in the near comming future, and will not be issued anymore

I've done 10 consecutive 90 day non-os in a row, apart from them filling up my passport, no problems.

No need for multi entry, singles are good enough.

[RotBenz8888]

1 hour ago, lapamita said:

NON O  is only for temporary stays, up to 180 days /year

This is something I've been completely unaware of.

Ubonjoe, is it correct? 

[ubonjoe]

8 minutes ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Ubonjoe, is it correct? 

No

[GeorgeCross]

15 minutes ago, RotBenz8888 said:

This is something I've been completely unaware of.

Ubonjoe, is it correct? 

 

doesn't matter. correct is what the IO says is correct.

 

 

[zhounan]

And then they wonder why Western tourists have fallen so much.

Also, honestly, I don't know any country in the world where you are married to a local person but you can't be with her/him, otherwise you are asked When you come back to your country.

We have to realize that Thailand loves tourists who stay a week and spend money and then get out of the way, or Western husbands who work in their own countries and send money to Thai wives who living a good life, probably close to a lover. 

Human rights violations and shameful discriminations. 

If we think of how many Western countries gave/giving immigrants opportunities for a better life (who have recently become aware of them as gods), often with greater facilities and rights than local people, we might think: "Why are we here to be teased and "bullied" by the first loser flatfoot ?

[Tayaout]

11 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

doesn't matter. correct is what the IO says is correct.

 

 

I'm here for over 270 days (over 1 year total) on my non-o and just got stamped again today. No IO has ever made a comment. 

[lapamita]

1 hour ago, Tayaout said:

I'm here for over 270 days (over 1 year total) on my non-o and just got stamped again today. No IO has ever made a comment. 

yes and i am 14 years consecutive on non 0 multi, and had minmum 100 times  no problems, except 1 last year november (boarder poi pet/aranyapatet)

[Tayaout]

1 minute ago, lapamita said:

yes and i am 14 years consecutive on non 0 multi, and had minmum 100 times  no problems, except 1 last year november (boarder poi pet/aranyapatet)

Yes I had 1 bad experience there as well but was on visa exempt at that time. 

[lapamita]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

No

your word in god's ear......for the near future

 

1. i see the cancelation of non o multi and non o

2. i see non oa as requirment comming

3. i see even optional requirments on grandfatherd lt visas comming

 

and a miminmal chance of cancelation, reversal.of all the b****t from the last 12 month

[GeorgeCross]

59 minutes ago, lapamita said:

your word in god's ear......for the near future

 

1. i see the cancelation of non o multi and non o

2. i see non oa as requirment comming

3. i see even optional requirments on grandfatherd lt visas comming

 

and a miminmal chance of cancelation, reversal.of all the b****t from the last 12 month

 

wow! so you see no-one under 50 being allowed to visit their spouses??

 

we have to wait until we retire to check she is still alive? 

 

 

 

 

[lapamita]

13 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

wow! so you see no-one under 50 being allowed to visit their spouses??

 

we have to wait until we retire to check she is still alive? 

 

 

 

 

you can visit = visit , for visit dont need a non o 

and for longer visit= can visit too = non oa

 

..  if y get visit for y spouse for europe  get touristvisa.... spouse stay longer.need special visa ( for ex. a immigartant visa valid 3 month one time only.. within 3 mth  time must register at immi and fullfill all obligations , and sure not back to back special visas no way)

 

so my opinion may come true, but i hope all here are right and i wrong, would make me more happy

 

by the way over 50 under 50 married or not is all the same at the end

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

doesn't matter. correct is what the IO says is correct.

 

 

Fortunately not always... or maybe only temporarily. We have seen the incorrect treatment of people using pre Oct 31st Non-Imm OAs corrected.

[Lacrimas]

2 hours ago, lapamita said:

your word in god's ear......for the near future

 

1. i see the cancelation of non o multi and non o

2. i see non oa as requirment comming

3. i see even optional requirments on grandfatherd lt visas comming

 

and a miminmal chance of cancelation, reversal.of all the b****t from the last 12 month

Sorry but this is one of the most idiotic things I have ever seen on this forum. If they cancel any visas it will be the rest not Non O spouse visas for sure. Do you know why? Because we provide money, food and shelter to Thai nationals. And by the way yours is a totally incorrect statement because NON OA is for people aged over 50 years.

 

[elviajero]

On 11/20/2019 at 11:09 AM, BritManToo said:

"I have the right to enter Thailand with my valid VISA" is all you need to say.

Wrong and bad advice. The visa does not give the right to enter. The decision is entirely down to the IO. 

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15405-General-information.html

10.  Royal Thai Embassies and Royal Thai Consulates-General have the authority to issue visas to foreigners for travel to Thailand.  The authority to permit entry and stay in Thailand, however, is with the immigration officers.  In some cases, the immigration officer may not permit foreigner holding a valid visa entry into Thailand should the immigration officer find reason to believe that he or she falls into the category of aliens prohibited from entering Thailand under the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (1979).
 

Example: If the Non O visa holder doesn’t have 20K on them the can be denied under S12.9.

[Baerboxer]

On 11/20/2019 at 6:09 PM, BritManToo said:

Never a good idea to let your Thai wife talk for you.

They don't really think before they speak, and have been trained from birth to agree with people in uniforms.

 

"I have the right to enter Thailand with my valid VISA" is all you need to say.

It's up to them to speak in English, and give you a legal reason to deny your entry.

 

Sounds to me like they're looking for a bribe.

 

Sadly he doesn't have the right to enter Thailand with any visa. Nor does anyone else.

 

Most countries, I think you will find, vest that authority with the IO processing the arrival. Having a visa is not an automatic entry. Although many assume it is.

[Baerboxer]

15 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Wrong and bad advice. The visa does not give the right to enter. The decision is entirely down to the IO. 

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15405-General-information.html

10.  Royal Thai Embassies and Royal Thai Consulates-General have the authority to issue visas to foreigners for travel to Thailand.  The authority to permit entry and stay in Thailand, however, is with the immigration officers.  In some cases, the immigration officer may not permit foreigner holding a valid visa entry into Thailand should the immigration officer find reason to believe that he or she falls into the category of aliens prohibited from entering Thailand under the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (1979).
 

Example: If the Non O visa holder doesn’t have 20K on them the can be denied under S12.9.

 

Indeed. And not only Thailand.

[lapamita]

35 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

 Do you know why? Because we provide money, food and shelter to Thai nationals. 

 

uyou think you V.I.P - maybe for your girl import , but not for Thais, or they think not import, and thats what count

 

30yrs thailand i see ever changing immi laws, and  not to the better.

 

 

 

what sense it makes, OA need healthinsurance, and non o not., whatever marreid or old....the loop hole will be closed soon

 

future will be spouse old or young or single....... get one time only a visa, and with that longerstays only extend by immi........point , whatever name the visa have 

 

 

[elviajero]

5 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

7 hours ago, lapamita said:

NON O  is only for temporary stays, up to 180 days /year

This is something I've been completely unaware of.

Ubonjoe, is it correct? 

No it’s not entirely correct. There is no 180 day (or other) official limit.

 

The visa is meant for people living outside of Thailand that want to visit multiple times during 1 year. It is not meant for someone living in Thailand  that does 90 day “visa runs”, to extend their stay. If you live with your family in Thailand you should — under the visa system — apply for an extension of stay.

 

The practice has been tolerated for years and hopefully will continue for years more — but my sense is ME O visas will be completely stopped sometime soon.

[lapamita]

1 minute ago, elviajero said:

No it’s not entirely correct. There is no 180 day (or other) official limit.

 

The visa is meant for people living outside of Thailand that want to visit multiple times during 1 year.

living outsdie thailand  ..correct !!!

 

what it means living outside ..every country have the rule 180/365 days

you can live only outside if y have a valid residence , and this y can have from law only if stay 180days

 

..and  if saty in thai,more than 180 days, it will be named  " living" and not " visiting"

 

thats what the IO think,and at the moment they not inforce........but wait and see

 

i can follow the thai thinking of the IO

 

.. i would be happy if i wrong..but wait and see

[elviajero]

1 hour ago, Lacrimas said:

Sorry but this is one of the most idiotic things I have ever seen on this forum. If they cancel any visas it will be the rest not Non O spouse visas for sure. Do you know why? Because we provide money, food and shelter to Thai nationals. And by the way yours is a totally incorrect statement because NON OA is for people aged over 50 years.

 

It is highly likely that the ME Non O for family visits will go. It’s already not available in many countries. It’s unlikely the SE Non O will go as it caters for occasional family visits or the path to an extension of stay. Although London are now selling the METV for family visits too.

 

IMO the SE Non O (retirement) will eventually go and retirees will be forced to take the O-A and insurance. Otherwise the move to push insurance will be fruitless.

 

 

[BritManToo]

39 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Most countries, I think you will find, vest that authority with the IO processing the arrival. 

Thailand isn't one of those countries.

 

Most countries drive on the right ...... Thailand isn't one of those countries.

Most countries don't send their daughters out to work as prostitutes ........ Thailand isn't one of those countries.

Most countries have police that enforce the law ..... Thailand isn't one of those countries.

The list is almost endless.

[Lacrimas]

1 hour ago, lapamita said:

uyou think you V.I.P - maybe for your girl import , but not for Thais, or they think not import, and thats what count

 

30yrs thailand i see ever changing immi laws, and  not to the better.

 

 

 

what sense it makes, OA need healthinsurance, and non o not., whatever marreid or old....the loop hole will be closed soon

 

future will be spouse old or young or single....... get one time only a visa, and with that longerstays only extend by immi........point , whatever name the visa have 

 

 

Wrong! Spouse visas have actually gotten better because until 15 years ago or so you needed to have an income to stay in Thailand on a spouse visa. Today you can stay in Thailand with 400.000 baht in the bank. 

 

I don't think I'm VIP but I do think that as a married person I have an advantage over other visas

[elviajero]

53 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

Most countries, I think you will find, vest that authority with the IO processing the arrival. 

Thailand isn't one of those countries.

Wrong. Yes it is!

[elviajero]

1 hour ago, lapamita said:

living outsdie thailand  ..correct !!!

 

what it means living outside ..every country have the rule 180/365 days

you can live only outside if y have a valid residence , and this y can have from law only if stay 180days

 

..and  if saty in thai,more than 180 days, it will be named  " living" and not " visiting"

 

thats what the IO think,and at the moment they not inforce........but wait and see

 

i can follow the thai thinking of the IO

 

.. i would be happy if i wrong..but wait and see

If immigration ever set an official set limit, it would almost certainly be 180 days. However, currently 180 days is an unofficial line in the sand that isn’t legally enforceable. Other reasons are required to deny entry for someone staying too long in the country with an inappropriate visa.

[KhaoYai]

11 hours ago, lapamita said:

REASON: he said: NON O  is only for temporary stays, up to 180 days /year ,and if stay more i need go immi,and i could get problems later entering thailand

First time I've heard of the 180 day rule (unofficial rule) being applied to Non O Visas.

 

Although, thinking about it, it makes sense. Not making any judgements but I've heard of a few people changing from a marriage based extension to a Multi Non O to circumvent the money in the bank or income requirements - they of course though, have to leave and re-enter every 90 days.

[Isaanbiker]

11 hours ago, lapamita said:

 I was last year november already stopped with a non o multi ..and get a passport screening and an advice of a highrank officer in charge , that Non o , are not for frequent stay ( even in 1 yr i have over 10 exits and more than 4 month outside thailand.

 

REASON: he said: NON O  is only for temporary stays, up to 180 days /year ,and if stay more i need go immi,and i could get problems later entering thailand

 

 

I am quiet sure a non o multi will not eixist more in the near comming future, and will not be issued anymore

Then go for a Re-entry. 

[KhaoYai]

5 hours ago, elviajero said:

IMO the SE Non O (retirement) will eventually go and retirees will be forced to take the O-A and insurance. Otherwise the move to push insurance will be fruitless.

Surely they could apply it to extensions rather than getting rid of the SE Non O?  I was suprised when I saw that the insurance requirement was only going to apply to those on O-A's. I would have thought that the majority of long stayers are on either marriage or retirement extensions. The current requirement is unlikely to achieve the stated aims and is to a large degree, 'barking up the wrong tree'.

[KhaoYai]

13 hours ago, lapamita said:

I was last year november already stopped with a non o multi ..and get a passport screening and an advice of a highrank officer in charge , that Non o , are not for frequent stay ( even in 1 yr i have over 10 exits and more than 4 month outside thailand.

By 'frequent stay' I take it you mean the duration of those stays? For an immigration officer to state that a Multi Non O is not for frequent stays is ridiculous - they are for that exact purpose.  Do you think you might have used the wrong words? English is clearly not your first language.

[KhaoYai]

6 hours ago, Lacrimas said:

If they cancel any visas it will be the rest not Non O spouse visas for sure.

You will note he says Multi. Multi Non O's based on marriage are already unavailable from at least 3 Thai embassies - including London since earlier this year.