Making Windows 10 look like Windows 7.

KhunHeineken · December 15, 2019

15 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

It's not Microsoft sending you the pop up Ads and banners. You can remove all possible tracking and learning from Windows 7/8.1/10 and you will still get served pop up Ads and banners. You can block those at Router, Host File or Browser level.

Will you analyse every new Security Update for any kind of feedback/tracking?

You can lock down just about everything on the OS and then open Google's Chrome Browser and give them more info about you than Microsoft ever had.

My point is simply, instead of getting firmly stuck in 2009, that you actually give some of the Windows 10 features a try, instead of trying to make it look like Windows 7.

I don't have any of the dramas about tiles etc. I don't even notice them in day to day use.

I will run Ad Block Plus, or a similar program, to minimize pop up ads and banners. I know some will get through, but hopefully the majority will be blocked. It's a common program, downloaded by many, so it obviously has some benefit. It's a set and forget program.

I will not analyse every security update for tracking, but will re-run the program suggested to me in this thread, after every major update, which is suggested, because Microsoft re-enable their tracking after updating. A few mouse clicks and it's done.

With Google Chrome, I am running:

https://disconnect.me/

Once again, it's a set and forget program.

I would like basic privacy on the internet, because I don't like to be the product. I am not trying to be completely anonymous on the internet.

I am not firmly stuck in 2009. I gave Windows 10 a try, many years ago, but have delayed upgrading as Windows 7 does everything I require, and I have come to know it quite well. If I felt I was missing out on anything by staying with Windows 7, I would have upgraded years ago.

Very recently, I had a play on a friend's Windows 10 machine. I spent a few hours navigating around it. I know I would eventually come to know it quite well, but what's wrong with saying I really do prefer the Windows 7 UI?

To be clear, I will be migrating to Windows 10 shortly. I see using Classic Shell as just a bit of customizing, like many chose different desktop wallpapers, I will chose the Windows 7 UI.

Everyone runs different programs they like, or need. Classic Shell was developed for people who like the Windows 7 UI, and from what I see on the internet, including this thread, is very popular.

KhunHeineken · December 15, 2019

20 hours ago, BigStar said:

Yes.

Like losing a close friend. ????

BigStar · December 15, 2019

18 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

It's not Microsoft sending you the pop up Ads and banners.

M'soft does that, though:

Since the launch of Windows 10, there have been numerous complaints about ads in various forms. They appear in the Start menu, in the taskbar, in the Action Center, in Explorer, in the Ink Workspace, on the Lock Screen, in the Share tool, in the Windows Store and even in File Explorer.

Microsoft has lost its grip on what is acceptable, and even goes as far as pretending that these ads serve users more than the company -- "these are suggestions", "this is a promoted app", "we thought you'd like to know that Edge uses less battery than Chrome", "playable ads let you try out apps without installing".
--https://blog.l4networks.com/general-blog/security-news/windows-10-just-say-no/

Disgusting. And of course it does all that tracking.

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You can remove all possible tracking and learning from Windows 7/8.1/10 and you will still get served pop up Ads and banners. You can block those at Router, Host File or Browser level.

Or via proxy. And, yes, you get rid of those, too. Nobody said anything about either/or. Note that you're not suggesting any utilities to help with such blocking, however. Oh--spend one's life tracking down the IP address of each one and then blocking each separately? ???? But the topic is about Win 10 unwanted telemetry, bloatware, and the annoying, cumbersome menu.

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Will you analyse every new Security Update for any kind of feedback/tracking?

Will you scan the 'net for news of any kind of new virus and then analyze it and write your own blocker/remover for it? Rather than "spending your entire life" trying to block every virus threatening Windows, you in fact rely on antivir programs written by pros. And they update themselves and then rescan your PC periodically for new threats.

Besides, it's not just Win 10. It's all those other programs as well.

So, same thing w/ bloatware, spyware, AND telemetry. Programs that get rid of those evils automatically also get updated--and once in a while you just run them again. Is this news?

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You can lock down just about everything on the OS and then open Google's Chrome Browser and give them more info about you than Microsoft ever had.

Not if you've locked down Chrome as well. All the Ways Google Tracks You—And How to Stop It. Or use SRWare Iron and even add some extensions; I do. Didn't we just talk about blocking?

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My point is simply, instead of getting firmly stuck in 2009, that you actually give some of the Windows 10 features a try, instead of trying to make it look like Windows 7.

I can't see how "trying" Windows 10 telemetry is a useful suggestion. But it looks like you've wandered back to the start menu and bloatware again.

I remember all the sneers from bleeding edge wannabe high-tech "gurus" when I announced I'd stick with XP rather than move to (cough) Vista. My prediction, correct as it turned out, was that it'd prove another Windows Me. That was of course hotly contested. ????

Well, it's not a matter of "newer is better." Rather, it's a matter of "what works best for me," enabling me to get things done w/ a minimum of hassle. Hence one can learn about Open Shell and the like:

https://winaero.com/blog/15-reasons-to-use-classic-shells-start-menu-in-windows-10/

and after installing Win 10 merely take a look at the workflow you're then confronted with. The decision is then rather easy. Similarly one can first look over the list of M'soft bloatware:

3DBuilder, Appconnector, Bing Finance, Bing News, Bing Sports, Bing Weather, Fresh Paint, Get started, Microsoft Office Hub, Microsoft Solitaire Collection, Microsoft Sticky Notes, OneNote, OneConnect, People, Skype for Desktop, Alarms, Camera, Maps, Phone, SoundRecorder, XboxApp, Zune Music, Zune Video, Windows communications apps, Minecraft, PowerBI, Network Speed Test, Phone, Messaging, Office Sway, Windows Feedback Hub, Bing Food And Drink, Bing Travel, Bing Health And Fitness, Windows Reading List, Twitter, Pandora, Flipboard, Shazam, CandyCrush, CandyCrushSoda, King apps, iHeartRadio, Netflix, DrawboardPDF, PicsArt-PhotoStudio, FarmVille 2 Country Escape, TuneInRadio, Asphalt8, NYT Crossword, CyberLink MediaSuite Essentials, Facebook, Royal Revolt 2, Caesars Slots Free Casino, March of Empires, Phototastic Collage, Autodesk SketchBook, Duolingo, EclipseManager, ActiproSoftware, BioEnrollment, Windows Feedback, Xbox Game CallableUI, Xbox Identity Provider, and ContactSupport.

And see if any of that <deleted> appeals to you--without having to "spend your life," to quote some drama, trying them all out, one by one. You quickly see that most, if not all, of them are useless and might just get in the way. So then you heh! run a little program that gets rid of them and frees up more space on your SSD. Oh, you might add one or two back in, like Skype. I like Skype, though the old "classic" better.

And you get Cortana out of your face and turn off web search, remove One Drive integration, etc. etc. With a few helpful utilities, it doesn't take long.

Then, with far fewer annoying distractions wasting your time you can appreciate that Win 10 really is better than 7 under the hood. Personally I do like the taskbar after the icon ("buttons," gag!) size is reduced, combining apps, labels, and app previews are all turned off.

And that's just the Win 10 bloat, not including the extra installed by OEMs and third-party apps.

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I don't have any of the dramas about tiles etc. I don't even notice them in day to day use.

We got that. Your dramas seem to be about exaggerating as "War And Peace" other posters' legit and very common desire to get rid of Win 10 telemetry and bloatware, and to make the Start menu more convenient and usable. And, for some reason, trying to persuade them just to accept it all when they don't want to and don't have to.

I don't notice Win 10 tiles in day-to-day use either. ???? Only occasionally do I have to screw around in a dumbed down Metro app--annoying, but it's often hard to get around it without resorting to regedit or scripts. I also like having all the applets of my Control Panel and Administrative Tools easily accessible from flyout Start menu options--among other things. I think the OP will too.

Metropolitian · December 15, 2019

On 12/14/2019 at 1:02 PM, BigStar said:

Not only that.. Windows 10 Mobile is no longer supported.

Yesterday Windows 10 (PC) was very lagging, in the task manager I saw the process YourPhone.exe running.

They did a remote shut off of Windows Mobile elements in Windows 10, updating the apps.

Only Android or iOS is now supported in that app.

My Lumia is lost in translation...

Eindhoven · December 15, 2019

3 hours ago, BigStar said:

M'soft does that, though:

Since the launch of Windows 10, there have been numerous complaints about ads in various forms. They appear in the Start menu, in the taskbar, in the Action Center, in Explorer, in the Ink Workspace, on the Lock Screen, in the Share tool, in the Windows Store and even in File Explorer.

Microsoft has lost its grip on what is acceptable, and even goes as far as pretending that these ads serve users more than the company -- "these are suggestions", "this is a promoted app", "we thought you'd like to know that Edge uses less battery than Chrome", "playable ads let you try out apps without installing".
--https://blog.l4networks.com/general-blog/security-news/windows-10-just-say-no/

Disgusting. And of course it does all that tracking.

Or via proxy. And, yes, you get rid of those, too. Nobody said anything about either/or. Note that you're not suggesting any utilities to help with such blocking, however. Oh--spend one's life tracking down the IP address of each one and then blocking each separately? ???? But the topic is about Win 10 unwanted telemetry, bloatware, and the annoying, cumbersome menu.

Will you scan the 'net for news of any kind of new virus and then analyze it and write your own blocker/remover for it? Rather than "spending your entire life" trying to block every virus threatening Windows, you in fact rely on antivir programs written by pros. And they update themselves and then rescan your PC periodically for new threats.

Besides, it's not just Win 10. It's all those other programs as well.

So, same thing w/ bloatware, spyware, AND telemetry. Programs that get rid of those evils automatically also get updated--and once in a while you just run them again. Is this news?

Not if you've locked down Chrome as well. All the Ways Google Tracks You—And How to Stop It. Or use SRWare Iron and even add some extensions; I do. Didn't we just talk about blocking?

I can't see how "trying" Windows 10 telemetry is a useful suggestion. But it looks like you've wandered back to the start menu and bloatware again.

I remember all the sneers from bleeding edge wannabe high-tech "gurus" when I announced I'd stick with XP rather than move to (cough) Vista. My prediction, correct as it turned out, was that it'd prove another Windows Me. That was of course hotly contested. ????

Well, it's not a matter of "newer is better." Rather, it's a matter of "what works best for me," enabling me to get things done w/ a minimum of hassle. Hence one can learn about Open Shell and the like:

https://winaero.com/blog/15-reasons-to-use-classic-shells-start-menu-in-windows-10/

and after installing Win 10 merely take a look at the workflow you're then confronted with. The decision is then rather easy. Similarly one can first look over the list of M'soft bloatware:

3DBuilder, Appconnector, Bing Finance, Bing News, Bing Sports, Bing Weather, Fresh Paint, Get started, Microsoft Office Hub, Microsoft Solitaire Collection, Microsoft Sticky Notes, OneNote, OneConnect, People, Skype for Desktop, Alarms, Camera, Maps, Phone, SoundRecorder, XboxApp, Zune Music, Zune Video, Windows communications apps, Minecraft, PowerBI, Network Speed Test, Phone, Messaging, Office Sway, Windows Feedback Hub, Bing Food And Drink, Bing Travel, Bing Health And Fitness, Windows Reading List, Twitter, Pandora, Flipboard, Shazam, CandyCrush, CandyCrushSoda, King apps, iHeartRadio, Netflix, DrawboardPDF, PicsArt-PhotoStudio, FarmVille 2 Country Escape, TuneInRadio, Asphalt8, NYT Crossword, CyberLink MediaSuite Essentials, Facebook, Royal Revolt 2, Caesars Slots Free Casino, March of Empires, Phototastic Collage, Autodesk SketchBook, Duolingo, EclipseManager, ActiproSoftware, BioEnrollment, Windows Feedback, Xbox Game CallableUI, Xbox Identity Provider, and ContactSupport.

And see if any of that <deleted> appeals to you--without having to "spend your life," to quote some drama, trying them all out, one by one. You quickly see that most, if not all, of them are useless and might just get in the way. So then you heh! run a little program that gets rid of them and frees up more space on your SSD. Oh, you might add one or two back in, like Skype. I like Skype, though the old "classic" better.

And you get Cortana out of your face and turn off web search, remove One Drive integration, etc. etc. With a few helpful utilities, it doesn't take long.

Then, with far fewer annoying distractions wasting your time you can appreciate that Win 10 really is better than 7 under the hood. Personally I do like the taskbar after the icon ("buttons," gag!) size is reduced, combining apps, labels, and app previews are all turned off.

And that's just the Win 10 bloat, not including the extra installed by OEMs and third-party apps.

We got that. Your dramas seem to be about exaggerating as "War And Peace" other posters' legit and very common desire to get rid of Win 10 telemetry and bloatware, and to make the Start menu more convenient and usable. And, for some reason, trying to persuade them just to accept it all when they don't want to and don't have to.

I don't notice Win 10 tiles in day-to-day use either. ???? Only occasionally do I have to screw around in a dumbed down Metro app--annoying, but it's often hard to get around it without resorting to regedit or scripts. I also like having all the applets of my Control Panel and Administrative Tools easily accessible from flyout Start menu options--among other things. I think the OP will too.

Lost interest about a quarter of the way through. Illustrates exactly what I meant in the first place. Way too much time spent for little benefit.

The OP has been cogitating for months, even years about the change and is now obsessing over every little detail. Including on how to get it to look like Windows 7. :) It's like dressing up your new girlfriend to look like your old one. A bit weird. Move on :)

Still just "talking" about upgrading. 94 posts on this thread alone. This is not the first thread and won't likely be the last.

It really appears to be bordering on the obsessive.

It might be different if the OP hadn't dragged out the saga for years. But it has already passed the point of get on with it already. :) It's really not that serious.

Eindhoven · December 15, 2019

6 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Yes.

Like losing a close friend. ????

This is my point. It seems an intense emotional experience for you. Dragged out over years. Waiting until the last minute to make the move and then trying to get it to look like the friend who has just departed.

Some just move on. Getting to know the new girlfriend whilst trying to eliminate the things that you don't like.

But dressing her up in your old girlfriend's clothes? Come on.

Faffing around with each new feature update, perhaps needing to reinstall Open Shell etc

What a palava!

....and you are still just "talking" about making the move.

Just get on with it. :)

Are you going to install to new SSD drives or are you sticking with HDD?

BigStar · December 15, 2019

1 hour ago, Eindhoven said:

Way too much time spent for little benefit.

No, explaining it to the uninitiated takes far longer than doing it. Download, install, and run utilities to remove bloatware and stop tracking, 15 min. Download, install, configure (if desired) Open Shell, 10-15 min. Done. Total time lost over the years fooling around with tiles, hunting for things in the menu, avoiding bloatware, reading targeted messages: hours. ????

And you've ignored the qualitative dimension: satisfaction knowing you've stopped as much tracking as possible, less annoyance with unwanted programs and notifications, and ease of navigating the menu as opposed to hunting around.

Why haven't any of the Linux desktop managers incorporated tiles? No commercial agenda targeting tablets and touchscreens. So they're all very navigable. Anyone who's used Win 7 will quickly feel at home with them.

In sum, very little time, well spent for desirable benefit. I do it routinely on any machine I set up.

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perhaps needing to reinstall Open Shell etc

Trivial, and offers the opportunity to experience all that Tiles goodness if desired. ???? But Windows updates can break all kinds of things. Par for the course. Might wanna consider getting a Mac.

KhunHeineken · December 16, 2019

15 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

This is my point. It seems an intense emotional experience for you. Dragged out over years. Waiting until the last minute to make the move and then trying to get it to look like the friend who has just departed.

Some just move on. Getting to know the new girlfriend whilst trying to eliminate the things that you don't like.

But dressing her up in your old girlfriend's clothes? Come on.

Faffing around with each new feature update, perhaps needing to reinstall Open Shell etc

What a palava!

....and you are still just "talking" about making the move.

Just get on with it. :)

Are you going to install to new SSD drives or are you sticking with HDD?

After you do a fresh install, or even buy a new computer, don't you load all the programs you use onto it? Why do you do that? Why do you install Skype, for example, when there are many other VOIP options that do the same job?

The reason is, you like particular programs, but does that mean you are rejecting the other programs? No, you just prefer the programs you have been using, and they meet your needs, even though it's possible another similar program may be better.

In this way, don't we all stick with our "old girlfriend?" Don't we all load a suite of programs that we use or need?

The laptop I have now has pretty good specs, but I would consider a "new girlfriend" to be a whole new machine, not tweaking an OS.

Some years ago, it appeared to me that one should not rush out and get the new Microsoft OS. Every second OS seemed to be the one to get. Windows Vista quickly became Windows 7, and Windows 8 quickly became Windows 8.1. Probably to save embarrassment, Windows 10 now just changes to a new build number, and how many have there been already? I saw no hurry to upgrade.

I'll be sticking with the HDD in my laptop, but should it die, I will install a SSD.

KhunHeineken · December 16, 2019

16 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

Lost interest about a quarter of the way through. Illustrates exactly what I meant in the first place. Way too much time spent for little benefit.

The OP has been cogitating for months, even years about the change and is now obsessing over every little detail. Including on how to get it to look like Windows 7. :) It's like dressing up your new girlfriend to look like your old one. A bit weird. Move on :)

Still just "talking" about upgrading. 94 posts on this thread alone. This is not the first thread and won't likely be the last.

It really appears to be bordering on the obsessive.

It might be different if the OP hadn't dragged out the saga for years. But it has already passed the point of get on with it already. :) It's really not that serious.

Hardly obsessed.

I heard about the Windows 10 spyware, but had no idea it was such a comprehensive suite of spyware.

I'm happy that a program has been suggested to me, on this thread, that makes disabling the spyware very easy, whilst uninstalling the bloatware as well.

As for things like Candy Crush being automatically installed with Windows 10, it's just laughable.

Are you running a straight Windows 10 OS? Have you disabled any features, or uninstalled any programs that came with it?

KhunHeineken · December 16, 2019

13 hours ago, BigStar said:

Download, install, and run utilities to remove bloatware and stop tracking, 15 min. Download, install, configure (if desired) Open Shell, 10-15 min.

This is exactly what I will be doing shortly, on all my machines, when I get some spare time..

From what I have read, it's what millions of people all around the world have done, but apparently, we are all obsessed. ????

I don't see what's wrong with exchanging information about the various anti-spyware programs and various Classic Shell style programs that people are using for Windows 10.

Edited December 16, 2019 by KhunHeineken

topt · December 16, 2019

On 12/14/2019 at 5:40 PM, Eindhoven said:

Will you analyse every new Security Update for any kind of feedback/tracking?

Ask Woody and other sites are already doing that for you.

On 12/14/2019 at 5:40 PM, Eindhoven said:

and then open Google's Chrome Browser and give them more info about you than Microsoft ever had.

Agree with this but easy to use DuckDuckGo or Start Page or others.......

On 12/14/2019 at 5:40 PM, Eindhoven said:

My point is simply, instead of getting firmly stuck in 2009, that you actually give some of the Windows 10 features a try, instead of trying to make it look like Windows 7.

I don't have any of the dramas about tiles etc. I don't even notice them in day to day use.

You know how we are always being told to "embrace diversity".........everybody is different and long may that continue

Eindhoven · December 16, 2019

17 hours ago, BigStar said:

No, explaining it to the uninitiated takes far longer than doing it. Download, install, and run utilities to remove bloatware and stop tracking, 15 min. Download, install, configure (if desired) Open Shell, 10-15 min. Done. Total time lost over the years fooling around with tiles, hunting for things in the menu, avoiding bloatware, reading targeted messages: hours. ????

And you've ignored the qualitative dimension: satisfaction knowing you've stopped as much tracking as possible, less annoyance with unwanted programs and notifications, and ease of navigating the menu as opposed to hunting around.

Why haven't any of the Linux desktop managers incorporated tiles? No commercial agenda targeting tablets and touchscreens. So they're all very navigable. Anyone who's used Win 7 will quickly feel at home with them.

In sum, very little time, well spent for desirable benefit. I do it routinely on any machine I set up.

Trivial, and offers the opportunity to experience all that Tiles goodness if desired. ???? But Windows updates can break all kinds of things. Par for the course. Might wanna consider getting a Mac.

I'm not arguing against the de-bloating and doing one's best to block Telemetry. It's the months and years of hand wringing over the changing of OS....and then wanting to keep it looking the same....

Eindhoven · December 16, 2019

1 hour ago, topt said:

Ask Woody and other sites are already doing that for you.

Agree with this but easy to use DuckDuckGo or Start Page or others.......

You know how we are always being told to "embrace diversity".........everybody is different and long may that continue

I am all for blocking their attempts to gather information, from all levels. It's the years of hand wringing that I am addressing.

All this could have been discussed and completed within a week.

Eindhoven · December 16, 2019

4 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

After you do a fresh install, or even buy a new computer, don't you load all the programs you use onto it? Why do you do that? Why do you install Skype, for example, when there are many other VOIP options that do the same job?

The reason is, you like particular programs, but does that mean you are rejecting the other programs? No, you just prefer the programs you have been using, and they meet your needs, even though it's possible another similar program may be better.

In this way, don't we all stick with our "old girlfriend?" Don't we all load a suite of programs that we use or need?

The laptop I have now has pretty good specs, but I would consider a "new girlfriend" to be a whole new machine, not tweaking an OS.

Some years ago, it appeared to me that one should not rush out and get the new Microsoft OS. Every second OS seemed to be the one to get. Windows Vista quickly became Windows 7, and Windows 8 quickly became Windows 8.1. Probably to save embarrassment, Windows 10 now just changes to a new build number, and how many have there been already? I saw no hurry to upgrade.

I'll be sticking with the HDD in my laptop, but should it die, I will install a SSD.

Not much more to say.... You clearly need to be dragged, kicking an screaming into the 21st century. ????

All this hassle and you don't even use the opportunity to install to a solid state drive.

KhunHeineken · December 20, 2019

On 12/16/2019 at 4:21 PM, Eindhoven said:

Not much more to say.... You clearly need to be dragged, kicking an screaming into the 21st century. ????

All this hassle and you don't even use the opportunity to install to a solid state drive.

So, if you do not have a SSD, you are a dinosaur. Are you serious?

Why would I need to install a SSD, just because I am upgrading to Windows 10?

SSD's have their advantages and disadvantages.

Would you care to comment on the price per GB of storage for a SSD?

Edited December 20, 2019 by KhunHeineken

Eindhoven · December 20, 2019

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

So, if you do not have a SSD, you are a dinosaur. Are you serious?

Why would I need to install a SSD, just because I am upgrading to Windows 10?

SSD's have their advantages and disadvantages.

Would you care to comment on the price per GB of storage for a SSD?

SSD as a Boot drive. HDD for storage. Yes, you are a dinosaur if you don't opt for a solid state drive as your Boot drive.

Will any of this get through to you? Of course not, because you only understand dinosaur language.

All that has occurred on this thread, could have been covered with an hour of action. Fit SSD as Boot drive, install Windows 10 Pro cleanly, run Debloater and disable Telemetry to your heart's content.

No need to even touch your Windows 7 install.

This is nothing new. But you have literally taken years to get to this point. Yet you have not even begun to do anything about it, even on this latest thread.

This is literally an hour's work. For you, it takes years of consideration and cogitation.

Once done, you can re-map the contents of your old HDD to the new install to the SDD at your leisure.

But instead all you do it talk about what you have learned. Which appears to be very little, if you are asking me about price per GB for SSD.

You are adding a boot drive, no need to substitute the HDD for an SSD.

This way, you don't need to worry about backing anything up nor losing data nor compatibility.

You get to sample Windows 10 on your device without risking anything. You get to experiment with any and all the software solutions that you like. If anything goes disastrously wrong, you can simply format and reinstall. All without risking nor even touching your current install.

So what on earth has price per GB to do with it?

A 240 GB/256 GB SSD is a good solution for a Boot drive, but if price is an issue, 120GB/128GB will do, as it is just for Windows and programs. Your stored data can stay on the HDD.

So now you have a much faster PC with even more storage than before. For a cost of between 700 and 1000 baht you have a much improved device and the opportunity to actually try things out, instead of just talking about them for months and years.

KhunHeineken · December 21, 2019

19 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

SSD as a Boot drive. HDD for storage. Yes, you are a dinosaur if you don't opt for a solid state drive as your Boot drive.

Will any of this get through to you? Of course not, because you only understand dinosaur language.

All that has occurred on this thread, could have been covered with an hour of action. Fit SSD as Boot drive, install Windows 10 Pro cleanly, run Debloater and disable Telemetry to your heart's content.

No need to even touch your Windows 7 install.

This is nothing new. But you have literally taken years to get to this point. Yet you have not even begun to do anything about it, even on this latest thread.

This is literally an hour's work. For you, it takes years of consideration and cogitation.

Once done, you can re-map the contents of your old HDD to the new install to the SDD at your leisure.

But instead all you do it talk about what you have learned. Which appears to be very little, if you are asking me about price per GB for SSD.

You are adding a boot drive, no need to substitute the HDD for an SSD.

This way, you don't need to worry about backing anything up nor losing data nor compatibility.

You get to sample Windows 10 on your device without risking anything. You get to experiment with any and all the software solutions that you like. If anything goes disastrously wrong, you can simply format and reinstall. All without risking nor even touching your current install.

So what on earth has price per GB to do with it?

A 240 GB/256 GB SSD is a good solution for a Boot drive, but if price is an issue, 120GB/128GB will do, as it is just for Windows and programs. Your stored data can stay on the HDD.

So now you have a much faster PC with even more storage than before. For a cost of between 700 and 1000 baht you have a much improved device and the opportunity to actually try things out, instead of just talking about them for months and years.

Ok, I'm a dinosaur. There are many of us roaming the planet, but we get by, as best we cant.

For someone my age, and not tertiary educated on the subject, I think I do ok, contrary to your beliefs.

IT is not my field of expertise. Most of anything I have ever learnt about IT, I have had to find out the hard way.

You can bang on about boot drives and remapping all you like. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I simply started this thread to discuss what programs people were using to make Windows 10 look like Windows 7, because I prefer the Windows 7 UI.

Programs put forward have been Classic Shell, Open Shell, Start is Back, Start Menu X and Start Menu 8.

Some of these programs I knew about, some I never heard of, and was happy to have more options.

As the thread progressed, Microsoft's spyware and bloatware was discussed. I thought I had to go and disable each individual spyware setting, and did not even know about the bloatware. Learning about some programs that take care of this for you was a real bonus.

Finding out you had to run the program again, after major updates, was also important to know.

Come the 14th January 2020, I expect there will be a considerable increase in the download statistics for the above programs, so I see this thread as being useful into the near future.

I am not sure what your problem is me, or with this thread, but it seems you are the one stressing out about me, or others like me, who show interest in this topic.

Maybe do yourself a favor and stop reading this thread.

BigStar · December 21, 2019

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

I simply started this thread to discuss what programs people were using to make Windows 10 look like Windows 7, because I prefer the Windows 7 UI.

Exactly. Upgrading hardware is irrelevant to that discussion and entirely your own business. Typically in this forum you'll have "experts" jumping in to INSIST you upgrade your hardware, 'cause that's what they understand best. It's LEGO! Soon you'll have a whole new custom-built PC. ????

Nor did you announce any schedule for doing anything. So nobody need be disappointed in the least. Up 2 u; who cares? Keep doing what you're doing. Millions run Win 10 from hard drives. The longer you wait to buy an SSD, if you do, the cheaper it'll likely be, barring a shortage.

Meme of the day:

Eindhoven · December 22, 2019

20 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Ok, I'm a dinosaur. There are many of us roaming the planet, but we get by, as best we cant.

For someone my age, and not tertiary educated on the subject, I think I do ok, contrary to your beliefs.

IT is not my field of expertise. Most of anything I have ever learnt about IT, I have had to find out the hard way.

You can bang on about boot drives and remapping all you like. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I simply started this thread to discuss what programs people were using to make Windows 10 look like Windows 7, because I prefer the Windows 7 UI.

Programs put forward have been Classic Shell, Open Shell, Start is Back, Start Menu X and Start Menu 8.

Some of these programs I knew about, some I never heard of, and was happy to have more options.

As the thread progressed, Microsoft's spyware and bloatware was discussed. I thought I had to go and disable each individual spyware setting, and did not even know about the bloatware. Learning about some programs that take care of this for you was a real bonus.

Finding out you had to run the program again, after major updates, was also important to know.

Come the 14th January 2020, I expect there will be a considerable increase in the download statistics for the above programs, so I see this thread as being useful into the near future.

I am not sure what your problem is me, or with this thread, but it seems you are the one stressing out about me, or others like me, who show interest in this topic.

Maybe do yourself a favor and stop reading this thread.

Told you.... Dinosaur language not same. ????

It's advice. You don't need to take it and I expected that you would not. I'm certainly not stressed about it.

If anything, it is slightly amusing to see the 'almost crazy' messing around.

It's like you are arguing against all progress and only moving because you are being forced to do so. I'm not just writing about Windows 7. That's why I mentioned SSD. Firstly because it's the best solution for you moving forward, but also to understand your mode of thinking.

It is altogether clear to me now.

Nothwithstanding, my advice hasn't changed. Fitting the SSD, which is very simple and installing Windows 10 to it, gives you the opportunity to mess around with Windows 10 on your own device without risk to your current install.

I know you'll need another couple of years to digest this current revelation.

Until then you may experience painfully slow feature updates and generally curtailed performance. Since you are used to curtailed performance, you don't see it as a negative.

But that is the irony, removing the Bloatware that may affect performance, but doing nothing about the one thing most likely to be affecting the performance of your device, the mechanical hard drive.

If you take my advice, your experiences with your PC are guaranteed to improve. It is as simple as that.

If you do not, you will experience curtailed performance for years to come...until you are forced to change, perhaps because of a failure of one kind or another.

You don't need to understand the terms, just follow the instruction and it will all become clear. I guess you feel that if you don't understand it, the problem doesn't exist.

A Boot drive is the storage drive that contains the operating system. You can likely have more than one storage drive fitted within. It is very easy to do. Five to ten minutes at most.

Nevertheless, you'll do what you do and I'll continue to read and shake my head.

As they say, "It takes all sorts.."

Reminds me of a girlfriend whom I took on two holidays within a week. She burst into tears as it was all so overwhelming....and had a great time we still talk about now.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Eindhoven

Rimmer · December 22, 2019

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KhunHeineken · December 22, 2019

3 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

Told you.... Dinosaur language not same. ????

It's advice. You don't need to take it and I expected that you would not. I'm certainly not stressed about it.

If anything, it is slightly amusing to see the 'almost crazy' messing around.

It's like you are arguing against all progress and only moving because you are being forced to do so. I'm not just writing about Windows 7. That's why I mentioned SSD. Firstly because it's the best solution for you moving forward, but also to understand your mode of thinking.

It is altogether clear to me now.

Nothwithstanding, my advice hasn't changed. Fitting the SSD, which is very simple and installing Windows 10 to it, gives you the opportunity to mess around with Windows 10 on your own device without risk to your current install.

I know you'll need another couple of years to digest this current revelation.

Until then you may experience painfully slow feature updates and generally curtailed performance. Since you are used to curtailed performance, you don't see it as a negative.

But that is the irony, removing the Bloatware that may affect performance, but doing nothing about the one thing most likely to be affecting the performance of your device, the mechanical hard drive.

If you take my advice, your experiences with your PC are guaranteed to improve. It is as simple as that.

If you do not, you will experience curtailed performance for years to come...until you are forced to change, perhaps because of a failure of one kind or another.

You don't need to understand the terms, just follow the instruction and it will all become clear. I guess you feel that if you don't understand it, the problem doesn't exist.

A Boot drive is the storage drive that contains the operating system. You can likely have more than one storage drive fitted within. It is very easy to do. Five to ten minutes at most.

Nevertheless, you'll do what you do and I'll continue to read and shake my head.

As they say, "It takes all sorts.."

Reminds me of a girlfriend whom I took on two holidays within a week. She burst into tears as it was all so overwhelming....and had a great time we still talk about now.

Would you advise me to buy one of these computers, to get better performance?

Would I then have better performance than you?

I am concerned about portability, though.

https://www.google.com/search?q=super+computer+images&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=firefox-b-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb34r518jmAhXYbn0KHb4pD8kQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1600&bih=767

Edited December 22, 2019 by KhunHeineken

KhunHeineken · December 22, 2019

21 hours ago, BigStar said:

Exactly. Upgrading hardware is irrelevant to that discussion and entirely your own business. Typically in this forum you'll have "experts" jumping in to INSIST you upgrade your hardware, 'cause that's what they understand best. It's LEGO! Soon you'll have a whole new custom-built PC. ????

Nor did you announce any schedule for doing anything. So nobody need be disappointed in the least. Up 2 u; who cares? Keep doing what you're doing. Millions run Win 10 from hard drives. The longer you wait to buy an SSD, if you do, the cheaper it'll likely be, barring a shortage.

Meme of the day:

I remember the global uproar when Windows 8 was released, and users noticed there was no Start Icon. This prompted the development of Classic Shell.

Dinosaurs, the lot of them. ????

Edited December 22, 2019 by KhunHeineken

Eindhoven · December 22, 2019

3 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

I remember the global uproar when Windows 8 was released, and users noticed there was no Start Icon. This prompted the development of Classic Shell.

Dinosaurs, the lot of them. ????

That was back then...this is now. I think people have had time to get over the shock of Windows 8.

But you can keep on trying to validate your behaviour if it makes you feel better. Classic Shell doesn't explain your not taking the opportunity to install your operating system to a solid state drive,

I don't feel the need to cling on to another poster in order to feel validated nor point to the usage of Classic Shell.

It's like two hoarders comforting each other whilst having a cigarette. Comforting each other about being stuck in the past and reassuring each other than millions of people still smoke.

I guess an older person who will insist on doing things at their own pace, at their time of life. Don't want to feel bullied by the young ones. ????

Do it your way. It's not me who will have to support your device nor have the experience that you do/will.

Eindhoven · December 22, 2019

3 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Would you advise me to buy one of these computers, to get better performance?

Would I then have better performance than you?

I am concerned about portability, though.

https://www.google.com/search?q=super+computer+images&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=firefox-b-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb34r518jmAhXYbn0KHb4pD8kQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1600&bih=767

No, just fit an SSD costing less than 1000 baht.

It's not about having better performance that the next man. It's about getting the best out of what you have.

Most people don't get to appreciate what their PCs can do, because their systems are held back by dire mechanical hard drives. They spend time tweaking this and that, not understanding that the biggest impediment is the limitation of the storage method.

A simple analogy would be to consider a record player. You have to move the needle to the correct place on a record to get to where you want. This takes time. Imagine you wanted to just play excerpts of a few seconds from each track. Now try to switch between tracks quickly. A relatively slow and delicate process.

Now think of music on your MP3 player. Almost instant access to each track and no issues if you accidentally drop it.

A PC is not a fine wine. You don't appreciate it more when it gets older and slower. Fitting an SSD allows the other components to show what they can really do. The mechanical HDD drags everything else down to it's level.

As I wrote earlier, I don't expect you to take the advice, as you are clearly set in your ways.

It doesn't mean that what you are doing is best, for you or the PC.

What I am suggesting is better for you and your PC.

KhunHeineken · December 22, 2019

11 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

That was back then...this is now.

'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

Do you think Microsoft learnt from the global backlash when they dumped the Start icon? Are all the people who complained about the lack of this feature dinosaurs? Did you miss the Start Icon?

Classic Shell gave everyone their Start Icon back. So, what did Microsoft do, release Windows 8.1, with a Start Icon. ????

Microsoft don't always get it right.

11 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

But you can keep on trying to validate your behaviour if it makes you feel better.

How does my behavior effect you?

11 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

I guess an older person who will insist on doing things at their own pace

Yes. It's my life, not Microsoft's. I have been stung a few times when I have been an early adopter. Vista was one of those times, so I held off on Windows 10. When I discovered Windows 10 doesn't do anything more than Iam already doing on Windows 7, I decided to hold off until the end of support.

I will install Windows 10 early new year, when I have some spare time. I am not procrastinating.

Edited December 22, 2019 by KhunHeineken

KhunHeineken · December 22, 2019

11 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

No, just fit an SSD costing less than 1000 baht.

How many GB's of SSD storage do I get for 1000 baht? I asked you to tell me the cost per GB for SSD storage, you didn't.

I know a SSD is faster, and preferable.

I am not in the market for a new laptop at the moment, but maybe I am better off putting the cost of a new SSD, with at least 500GB, into a new laptop that already has a SSD installed.

Edited December 22, 2019 by KhunHeineken

Don Mega · December 22, 2019

13 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

How many GB's of SSD storage do I get for 1000 baht? I asked you to tell me the cost per GB for SSD storage, you didn't.

I know a SSD is faster, and preferable.

I am not in the market for a new laptop at the moment, but maybe I am better off putting the cost of a new SSD, with at least 500GB, into a new laptop that already has a SSD installed.

About 4 baht per GB.

Eindhoven · December 23, 2019

4 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

How many GB's of SSD storage do I get for 1000 baht? I asked you to tell me the cost per GB for SSD storage, you didn't.

I know a SSD is faster, and preferable.

I am not in the market for a new laptop at the moment, but maybe I am better off putting the cost of a new SSD, with at least 500GB, into a new laptop that already has a SSD installed.

I don't need to tell you, as you are not a child(even though you behave like one sometimes ???? ). You can look at a typical website and work it out for yourself.

It's not just about cost per GB. Not all SSD are equal.

The main thing is that it is like removing a sock that was clogging up your drainpipe. It's less an upgrade and more like removing an impediment.

You are still doing your best to think of a scenario wherein you do nothing at all. Totally resistant to change.

Now it's "put the money from an SSD into a new laptop". You can do that anyway. You can fit the SSD now to your current device and then, if you choose, fit it to your new laptop when you, eventually, buy one. ????

You need to get the idea out of your head that someone is pushing you. Then you might understand that they are actually trying to help you. But it's tiresome trying to help people when all they want to do is argue against it.

It is the best way forward for you. Like having a new device without having to spend new device money.

So many people thought they needed a new device, until they fitted an SSD and realised of what their current device was capable.

Once again cost per GB is totally irrelevant, since you will still have the storage capability of your original HDD.

It's about setting your PC free, removing the obstacle that has been holding your PC back for as long as you've owned it. not stacking up more GB.

Once we know some details of your current device, we can recommend a suitable SSD. Of course you can just buy the cheapest if money is tight.

But to buy an fit one you should. Clean install of Windows is recommended, but you can clone your current drive if you really must.

Moving from Windows 7 to Windows 10 just gives you the opportunity to kill two birds with one stone.

You can test the new OS and you can remove the impediment from your system, so that everything will work more smoothly. Especially major Windows updates.

My very old(more than twelve years) laptop, just completed the feature update from 1809 to 1903. (I have feature updates deferred for 150 days) It went quickly and smoothly on it's fitted SSD.

It's at points like these you will wish that you had followed my advice.

Edited December 23, 2019 by Eindhoven

Eindhoven · December 23, 2019

For a 500 GB SSD;

If you want cheap; https://www.invadeit.co.th/product/solid-state-drives-ssd/crucial/bx500-480gb-3d-nand-sata-2-5inch-internal-ssd-ct480bx500ssd1-p043488/

If you want good;

https://www.invadeit.co.th/product/solid-state-drives-ssd/crucial/mx500-500gb-2-5inch-internal-ssd-ct500mx500ssd1-p034804/

But of course we know nothing about your device and which form factor it takes.

BigStar · December 23, 2019

On 12/22/2019 at 6:13 PM, Eindhoven said:

Most people don't get to appreciate what their PCs can do

And don't care or need to. Up 2 them.

9 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

So many people thought they needed a new device

But the OP didn't--and doesn't. He just wanted his future Win 10 to look more like Win 7, poor man.

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