Sourdough Bread???

[moonseeker]

Any pointers to a nice crusty sourdough bread, please. I am aware of the BIG C, TOPS etc. ones. Not bad, but always up

for a change. Thank you. MS>

 

 

[seasia]

Hi MS

 

I am fairly certain that Zurich Bread Cafe in naklua have a range,

It is on the left hand side a one minute stroll from the Dolphin Circle/junction.

Prices are high.

Between 6 PM and 9 PM they do a buy 1 get 1 free. if they have any left.

Another 1 or 2 minutes walk from there, also on the left hand side is La Baguette, they may have what you are looking for ( not sure though )

[Tracyb]

Where are you located?

 

[moonseeker]

Thank you & I am in Central Pattaya. Regards. MS>

[Guderian]

Did you ever consider buying a bread maker and having DIY sourdough bread? I'm interested in trying it, but I don't know anybody with one who can tell me if it's difficult, or worth the effort, or give me any hints and tips.

 

I saw a Panasonic model on Lazada, around 7500 Baht, that did all the mixing for you, it had a compartment for adding seeds or fruit or whatever, and you could program the timer so that you had hot, fresh bread ready when you got up in the morning. Sounds ideal, but as I said, I have no experience with these things.

 

Anybody got one, and are they worth it?

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Did you ever consider buying a bread maker and having DIY sourdough bread? I'm interested in trying it, but I don't know anybody with one who can tell me if it's difficult, or worth the effort, or give me any hints and tips.

 

I saw a Panasonic model on Lazada, around 7500 Baht, that did all the mixing for you, it had a compartment for adding seeds or fruit or whatever, and you could program the timer so that you had hot, fresh bread ready when you got up in the morning. Sounds ideal, but as I said, I have no experience with these things.

 

Anybody got one, and are they worth it?

I have tried a breadmaker, wasn't too impressed, IMO you would be better investing your money in a mixer with a dough hook.

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

I have tried a breadmaker, wasn't too impressed, IMO you would be better investing your money in a mixer with a dough hook.

Wrong recipe ........ mine works perfectly every time.

Edited December 1, 2019 by BritManToo

[BritManToo]

17 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Anybody got one, and are they worth it?

Perfect every time, I don't do sourdough bread, just plain white, sometimes wholewheat

I also use it to make my yogurt and pizza dough.

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/morries-breadmaker-19-in-1-multifunctional-stainless-steel-i3370876-s4106230.html

 

Used about 4-5x a week, the most essential item in my kitchen.

The Panasonic is well overpriced for a fairly basic machine.

Morries is far superior, and it's brushed steel.

Edited December 1, 2019 by BritManToo

[vogie]

Here's a good 'breadmaker vs stand mixer comparison' both have good pro's and cons' 

 

https://busybakers.co.uk/bread-maker-vs-stand-mixer/

[champers]

Read a report today (forget where, maybe BBC) that there is a lot of fake sourdough about. I wouldn't know how to tell the difference.

[moonseeker]

You are right. Some excellent YouTube documentaries on really "pure" bread without industrial addons. Goes for almost any kind of food or drink these days. 100% OJ? Mineral Water? etc. Forget it... You loose your appetite if you start watching this stuff. Thanks for all responses. I found a fantastic bread in Jomtien Complex, French Bakery and Restaurant. However it is a bit out of my way and for the rather small size not very affordable with 110 Baht. However it can be frozen right in the special paperbag and baked up again. So I buy 4 or 5 at a time. Still tastes fantastic out of the freezer. Keeps in fridge for several days in original bag. Does not last 2 days with me, 555555. Crusty and tasty. Watch your fingers when cutting... Has a good choice of breads and weets which I have not tried yet. . Regards. MS>

Edited December 1, 2019 by moonseeker

[Golden Triangle]

I've tried a breadmaker, I don't like the hole left in the middle of the loaf by the paddle.

 

[Guderian]

On 12/1/2019 at 11:26 AM, BritManToo said:

Perfect every time, I don't do sourdough bread, just plain white, sometimes wholewheat

I also use it to make my yogurt and pizza dough.

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/morries-breadmaker-19-in-1-multifunctional-stainless-steel-i3370876-s4106230.html

 

Used about 4-5x a week, the most essential item in my kitchen.

The Panasonic is well overpriced for a fairly basic machine.

Morries is far superior, and it's brushed steel.

My gosh, that looks really good.

 

What about Golden Triangle's comment that the paddle leaves a hole in the middle of the loaf, that doesn't seem to have happened with your magnificent product?

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Guderian said:

My gosh, that looks really good.

 

What about Golden Triangle's comment that the paddle leaves a hole in the middle of the loaf, that doesn't seem to have happened with your magnificent product?

The hole's in the bottom, affects about 3 slices, hardly significant.

[Guderian]

24 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The hole's in the bottom, affects about 3 slices, hardly significant.

And what flour and yeast do you use? I mostly use the Kite all-purpose flour for cooking, but I see they make several varieties, including, I think, a bread flour. Do you need to use the specialist flour like that, or will the all purpose stuff do?

 

I've looked in Foodland, Foodmart and Friendship in the past when toying with the idea of trying to make bread in the oven and the only yeast I've seen comes in a brown bottle, Perfect brand of instant yeast. Does that stuff work OK, or is there something better around?

 

Sorry to bother you, but I'm getting quite keen to try this now.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Guderian said:

And what flour and yeast do you use? I mostly use the Kite all-purpose flour for cooking, but I see they make several varieties, including, I think, a bread flour. Do you need to use the specialist flour like that, or will the all purpose stuff do?

I always use TFM bread flour and Fermipan Red from YoK bakery supply shop.

The flour is 32bht/kg or 31bht/kg if you buy 10 bags.

[NCC1701A]

On 11/30/2019 at 11:21 AM, moonseeker said:

Any pointers to a nice crusty sourdough bread,

villa market has it sliced in plastic bags. sells out fast.

[Guderian]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I always use TFM bread flour and Fermipan Red from YoK bakery supply shop.

The flour is 32bht/kg or 31bht/kg if you buy 10 bags.

 

Thanks for the reply, now for a daft question - where is the YoK bakery supply shop?

 

I see a Yok Bakery on FB, but it appears to be in Nakhon Pathom so I'm assuming that's not it.

[BritManToo]

22 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Thanks for the reply, now for a daft question - where is the YoK bakery supply shop?

I see a Yok Bakery on FB, but it appears to be in Nakhon Pathom so I'm assuming that's not it.

2 in Chiang Mai.

There must be other places selling it.

[Guderian]

18 hours ago, BritManToo said:

2 in Chiang Mai.

There must be other places selling it.

A little bit far from my usual haunts just for some flour and yeast, lol.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Guderian said:

A little bit far from my usual haunts just for some flour and yeast, lol.

TFM is a big company, they must sell in shops all over the country.

Buy online ........

http://firstbakery.weloveshopping.com/store/product/view/TFM_Bread_Flour_1_kg._แป้งขนมปังตรายานอวกาศ-27064881-th.html

Edited December 3, 2019 by BritManToo

[Guderian]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

TFM is a big company, they must sell in shops all over the country.

Buy online ........

http://firstbakery.weloveshopping.com/store/product/view/TFM_Bread_Flour_1_kg._แป้งขนมปังตรายานอวกาศ-27064881-th.html

Thanks, that's a heck of a lot cheaper than I've seen bread flour here in Pattaya. I think the all-purpose stuff is around 40 Baht/kg and thw specialist bread flour is quite a bit more. I'll check the next time I'm in Tops or Friendship.

 

[BritManToo]

36 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Thanks, that's a heck of a lot cheaper than I've seen bread flour here in Pattaya. I think the all-purpose stuff is around 40 Baht/kg and thw specialist bread flour is quite a bit more. I'll check the next time I'm in Tops or Friendship.

 

Star brand all purpose flour is 24bht/kg in Chiang Mai.

You do understand Tops and Friendship are premium price stores.

It's like living in London and doing all your grocery shopping in Harrods.

Edited December 3, 2019 by BritManToo

[wgdanson]

On 12/1/2019 at 11:18 AM, vogie said:

I have tried a breadmaker, wasn't too impressed, IMO you would be better investing your money in a mixer with a dough hook.

And an oven!

[Dan747]

On 12/1/2019 at 11:23 AM, BritManToo said:

Wrong recipe ........ mine works perfectly every time.

What recipe do you use please??

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Dan747 said:

What recipe do you use please??

water 255gm, oil 20gm, sugar 1 tsp, salt 1/2 tsp, add flour until total 745gm, Fermipan red yeast, 1 1/2 measures 

[Guderian]

17 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Star brand all purpose flour is 24bht/kg in Chiang Mai.

You do understand Tops and Friendship are premium price stores.

It's like living in London and doing all your grocery shopping in Harrods.

I've heard Tops called a lot of things over the years, but never Harrods, lol!

 

 

[DrTuner]

On 12/1/2019 at 11:11 AM, Guderian said:

Did you ever consider buying a bread maker and having DIY sourdough bread? I'm interested in trying it, but I don't know anybody with one who can tell me if it's difficult, or worth the effort, or give me any hints and tips.

Good sourdough needs to have a "root", ie. some previous batch leftovers mixed to the next batch. It's because of the microbe buildup, which affects the taste. Some of the best sourdough breads in Finland have a root going back decades. Worth the (long term) effort if you eat it every day or sell it, or regard it as a hobby. 

[DrTuner]

On 12/2/2019 at 2:52 PM, BritManToo said:

I always use TFM bread flour and Fermipan Red from YoK bakery supply shop.

The flour is 32bht/kg or 31bht/kg if you buy 10 bags.

Yes, that's the only domestic flour I've found that has proper gluten development. All others seem to lack the necessary proteins, probably due to the poor quality grain used. I call it "space shuttle" flour because of the logo. There's a bakery shop in Naklua on Sukhumvit, east side, close to the big traffic lights when coming from Laem Chabang ( https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHZL_deDE750TH750&tbm=lcl&sxsrf=ACYBGNQkRSd4dCxon_3sONJUkdzZWndX0w%3A1575433535045&ei=PzXnXbuqAtWc4-EP1aWT4Ak&q=bakery+supplies+pattaya&oq=bakery+supplies+pattya&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0i13k1j38.46246.49140.0.50664.22.18.0.3.3.0.229.1577.9j4j1.14.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..5.17.1591...0j35i39k1j0i273k1j0i67k1j0i131k1j0i20i263k1j0i22i30k1.0.LqBPOpAmMto#rlfi=hd:;si:1459957410094042340,y,lLedlNGVAB8;mv:[[12.968311989209854,100.91385637729411],[12.964171699573331,100.90580975024943],null,[12.966241853002403,100.90983306377177],18] ) and one that I haven't yet tried right next to Friendship. I've also seen the flour at BigC and Lotus from time to time.

[Dan747]

On 12/3/2019 at 7:43 PM, BritManToo said:

water 255gm, oil 20gm, sugar 1 tsp, salt 1/2 tsp, add flour until total 745gm, Fermipan red yeast, 1 1/2 measures 

Hey BritManToo,

 Thank You for all info-Bought the Morries Breadmaker from Lazada and making your recipe now!! Machine is kind of Noisy, in the resting stage now. I am sure the bread will turn out "GREAT!" Can not wait to experiment with the other settings. Thanks again.

Dan747