1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

It's not nonsense but if that's where you're coming from, blatant denial of facts and reality, I guess we have no basis for any kind of rational discussion. So -- bye. 

Let's hold this thought until November 2nd!

I guess there will be more crying rooms opening up when Trump gets another term in office. It seems politics like the UK people just do about anything as they can't accept a decision. Oh well, I look forward to all the disbelief on how Donald won the 2020 election.

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I guess there will be more crying rooms opening up when Trump gets another term in office. It seems politics like the UK people just do about anything as they can't accept a decision. Oh well, I look forward to all the disbelief on how Donald won the 2020 election.

Indeed there will be a lot of people in pain regardless of the election results in 2020. It's touching that you're looking forward to that. Bless your dear heart. 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Why didn't 45 after being elected by a minority with questions of legitimacy over his head due to confirmed Russian interference choose to govern for his base ONLY instead of trying like a NORMAL president in such circumstances to EXPAND his base? So back at you. The most guilty party in the obvious near civil war levels of division in the USA is the current president. Of course the conditions were ripe for such a horrible situation, but he has gone out of his way to continue to inflame them. 

Exactly.  It was Trump who built the wall that divides the American people.  (And, despite his promises, it remains the only wall he has built.)

9 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Exactly.  It was Trump who built the wall that divides the American people.  (And, despite his promises, it remains the only wall he has built.)

Guess you wern't here when Clinton called half of America deplorable. 

6 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I don't think anybody even has any idea why he is being impeached?

 

 

I do! He seriously compromised national security for personal political gain. Amazing what you can learn by reading the news.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Indeed there will be a lot of people in pain regardless of the election results in 2020. It's touching that you're looking forward to that. Bless your dear heart. 

Just because you cry does not mean you are in pain. Children stamp their feet and cry when they don't get their own way. Very much like the crying rooms set up across the US after the last election as people just can't accept the democratic process.

 

We have this in the UK too with the liberal, left wing. It seems to be a trait now in people, one I feel is bad for human kind. You notice how I say human kind and not mankind. I don't want to upset those little treasures who get easily offended, as their little dear hearts are bleeding with agony.

Edited December 19, 20196 yr by Laughing Gravy

6 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Yeah!!!

 

I can't think of anyone who deserves it more.

 

Way to go, Mr Trump; you did it the old fashioned way, you earned it!

 

 

 

And then the republicans will acquit him.  let's not expect justice to be done here and there are still millions of American voters stupid enough to believe in him.  Staggering I know but hey! It's the USA!

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Be a shame if it doesn't go to the senate. I'm looking forward to him being acquitted.

IMO she's hoping it won't go to the senate as it will be so embarrassing to the Dems when he is acquitted. It's even going to help him get re elected.

Nothing to fear.

Must be nice to live in an alternate universe.

Well the Reality TV Con Man becomes the first POTUS ever to be Impeached during their first term in office. That is a stain that will never be removed no matter how hard he tweets and bloviates. His rallies will become an outlet for ranting of victim-hood. Amazingly, his followers tolerate his sniveling and whining about how unfair it all is.

 

Nope, can't erase the stain.

 

WINNING!

 

 

Nancy Pelosi’s stomach-turning impeachment charade damages America

 

https://nypost.com/2019/12/18/nancy-pelosis-stomach-turning-impeachment-charade-damages-america-goodwin/

Pelosi is now sticking it into Moscow Mitch over his statements wrt to squirting Trump before the trial has taken place.

 

McConnell will do whatever is best for McConnell.

Oddly enough, this farce marks the beginning of the end, not for Trump, but for Democrats election hopes.  One can only hope that in hindsight they can see the irony of them accusing Trump of abuse of power.

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Huge news! 

Pelosi the most consequential woman politician in American history has signalled she will NOT be sending this to the senate for trial unless and until the senate passing rules that assure a reasonably fair trial.

The head juror has said he is working hand and hand with the WH lawyers. Corrupted SWAMP lives on in America

7 hours ago, mogandave said:

Yes, after a rigorous three year investigation the President was impeach because of a call he made a few months ago...

 

How funny is that?

The day after the Mueller report he made that call too. Yes most ironic to say the least.

5 hours ago, chokrai said:

Well congrats to Obama, Clinton and the rest of the Democrats. Mission accomplished you have managed to make half of the country hate the other half. Well done. I hope you all live long enough to reap what you have sown.

but but Hillarys emails

8 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Yeah!!!

 

I can't think of anyone who deserves it more.

 

Way to go, Mr Trump; you did it the old fashioned way, you earned it!

 

 

 

I agree with you. 

However he will survive in the Senate. 

And.... his popularity was rising even. 

A shame for America. But....... there are more clowns around in the world ready for a mad house. 

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, he's impeached. So what? Bill Clinton was impeached- did it amount to anything?

The GOP learned from that impeachment loss and worked with Clinton to achieve stuff. Will the Dems learn the same lesson?

We'll find out next year when he wins re election.

 

Nothing to fear

2020 to 2024.

I have a feeling next year there will be a new witch hunt , this time will be blaming either chinese or Iranians since blaming Russians failed 

9 hours ago, webfact said:

The Democratic-led House passed the abuse of power article of impeachment on a largely party-line 230-197 vote.

Give it up to the writers of this article Ladies and Gentlemen, for using the words "largely party-line" to describe a totally party line vote that happened to include two democrats that jumped ship and voted against the impeachment, and a 3rd Tulsi Gabbard, who voted present as she was undecided. Absolutely partisan, and didn't even get their entire side to vote yes. Disgraceful. An argument so strong they could not convince a single Republican, but lost 3 Democrats.

https://www.axios.com/trump-impeachment-democrat-defectors-1e2223c3-4945-4dab-a945-f5a21c51c7b5.html

 

 

Edited December 19, 20196 yr by WalkingOrders
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15 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Give it up to the writers of this article Ladies and Gentlemen, for using the words "largely party-line" to describe a totally party line vote that happened to include two democrats that jumped ship and voted against the impeachment, and a 3rd Tulsi Gabbard, who voted present as she was undecided. Absolutely partisan, and didn't even get their entire side to vote yes. Disgraceful. An argument so strong they could not convince a single Republican, but lost 3 Democrats.

https://www.axios.com/trump-impeachment-democrat-defectors-1e2223c3-4945-4dab-a945-f5a21c51c7b5.html

 

 

Yes, only Adam Schiff and all the other “unbiased” members voted to impeach. 
 

Now (apparently) they’re afraid to send it to to the Senate as they’re not sure they’ll have enough “unbiased” Senators to convict, so they’ll save it as a hole-card in case Trump is re-elected and they take the Senate..,

9 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Beyond farcical. This spells doom to the democrat party. I don't think anybody even has any idea why he is being impeached? Because Ambassador Sondland "presumed" there was quid pro quo? Just shocking how bad the democrat party has handled this and let down the American people.

 I trust in the judgement the American people will decide in November 2020. Roll on the Trump Train!!

 

I too agree that the American people have  the opportunity in November 2020 to decide if Donald Trump embodies the American ideals or whether he is to be rejected as anathema to American ideals.

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unless he is convicted by the senate it's of no more consequence than Clinton's. Who even remembers that Clinton was impeached, and it doesn't make the slightest difference as to how he is remembered.

However, enjoy your moment of triumph, till the senate probably acquits him next year. I only say probably, because it's life, and sometimes life deals us the unexpected, but I'm 97% sure he'll be acquitted.

Nothing to fear.

Agree, the current Republican majority Senate will not confirm the Articles of Impeachment. We agree on that. Of no consequence for the narcissist? It will continue to eat at him as he is only the 3rd POTUS Impeached and the only one to be so done during his first term. Rail and tweet as he can, he will not void the judgement of history for all time.

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Lets wait for the senate.

If the senators, who are supposed to be impartial jury, work together with the White House then this is a very clear sign that the USA is not a 1st world country anymore.

Maybe its time for the rest of the world to put sanctions on the USA so that they have time to think about their behavior which resembles a third class banana republic.

 

I am sorry for all the decent Americans which must have a hard time trying to explaining to the rest of the world why they have a president and lots of politicians which just don't care about the laws and their own constitution. Truly dark times over there.

I appreciate your sympathy. I submit it is larger than just the US. The country was founded as an experimental hope that the common citizen could govern themselves in a participatory democracy. It increasingly appears that the world needs to focus elsewhere for better examples of self government. We have become a bought and sold to the highest bidder oligarchy. I am witnessing the loss of my country (I am very aware of our shortcomings but we had at least sought some ideals).

43 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Now (apparently) they’re afraid to send it to to the Senate as they’re not sure they’ll have enough “unbiased” Senators to convict,

There is absolutely no doubt that they will NOT have enough Senators to convict. They perhaps are afraid of Democrat Senators refusing to vote yes. OR they are afraid of the witnesses being called that will drag this on into a deeper grave for them politically. They do not control the Senate, and perhaps the the thought of things not going well for them have put a fear into them. The best they could have done is to let the Senate vote this down quickly. If they want to drag it out. It still is going to end up Voted down, but with a whole lot of blood on the floor!

8 hours ago, mogandave said:

What makes you think the Republicans will not be impartial? 
 

Just because the Democrats have no integrity does not mean the Republicans will follow suit...

Ha! No, because the leader of the senate and Sen. Graham (R) bothe stated in their own words that they are not impartial.

4 minutes ago, jany123 said:

The articles of impeachment are quite clear. To not agree is fine. To not understand the written words indicates illiteracy. Teach your kids to read and MAGA

It would have been nice to have just one piece of hard evidence. The 2nd and third hand hearsay, presumptions and bizarre speculatory testimony by pouting neverTrumpers is unfortunately not sufficient. This is why Nancy is trying to shelve it before any more brown stuff hits the fan for the dems.

6 hours ago, mogandave said:

Do you have an example of him governing to his base only? 

Rolling back environmental regulations, selling/leasing the public lands, calling for reductions of Social Security/Medicare and other public safety net programs, tax cuts for the wealthy/ corporations 91 owed no taxes as a result) ... the list rolls on but I realize it is a waste of my time. He is playing to his flailing base, not this American. I understand the justified frustration/anger in the American working middle class but this was no where near the person to address the issues. They support him because they see/cannot comprehend that there is another choice.

Edited December 19, 20196 yr by wwest5829

8 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Rolling back environmental regulations, selling/leasing the public lands, calling for reductions of Social Security/Medicare and other public safety net programs, tax cuts for the wealthy/ corporations 91 owed no taxes as a result) ... the list rolls on but I realize it is a waste of my time. He is playing to his flailing base, not this American. I understand the justified frustration/anger in the American working middle class but this was no where near the person to address the issues. They support him because they see/cannot comprehend that there is another choice.

Rolling back unneccessary regulation has been a hallmark of Republican, conservative or libertarian policy/ideology for as long as I can remember. The other choice are candidates who are openly calling themselves socialist, in a party that literally made up a story about the President paying prostitutes to urinate for him on a bed previously used by the former President and First lady. This bothers me greatly. It likewise bothers me that that same party has literally called the President in public before American troops, a spy, traitor, stooge, for the Russian state. A lot of talk goes on here about the evidence for this, but if there was evidence he would have been impeached rather quickly and not allowed to keep his finger on the American Nuclear trigger.  For these reasons I could never again in my lifetime vote for the Democrat party of the United States, because I never saw such behavior in a political party in my life.  I believe my decision is based upon conservate principles, that I live by. I believe I am a rational man. I am sure you are as well. I trust the process that the constitution has provided, in that it will not allow the removal of Donald Trump from office. Once this impeachment trial in the Senate is over. Then the Constitution of the United States has done its job as it will have been done legally according to US law. I expect that those who claim to be lovers of the US constitution will then silence themselves from further attempts to remove the President that do not conform to US law.

9 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The defining moment in this mornings farce was when Pelosi got her 1st impeachment passed, and she stifled a huge outburst of laughter and glee, and then warned her followers to stop giggling. The video of this will be viral. It was a huge moment that offered a split second of honesty to cut through her BS and bluster.

I've just watched the video and I think you're letting your imagination run away with you. There's absolutely no sign of her stifling laughter or glee. She pursed her lips and gestured with her hand to stop any Democrats from cheering or applauding - that's it. 

 

She was at pains from the very beginning to say how sad and solemn an occasion this was and had impressed on all the democrat representatives that there should be no celebrating the outcome.

32 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Ha! No, because the leader of the senate and Sen. Graham (R) bothe stated in their own words that they are not impartial.

I am of the belief that Graham, McConnell, et al, and all the Senators of both parties are all already very aware of the evidence, as they see it.