U.S. imposes more sanctions on Iran after missile attacks in Iraq

[rooster59]

U.S. imposes more sanctions on Iran after missile attacks in Iraq

By Arshad Mohammed and Nandita Bose

 

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin announce new sanctions on Iran in the Brady Press Briefing Room of the White House in Washington, U.S., January 10, 2020. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States imposed more sanctions on Iran on Friday in retaliation for its missile attack on U.S. forces in Iraq this week and vowed to tighten the economic screws if Tehran continued "terrorist" acts or pursued a nuclear bomb.

 

The targets of the sanctions included Iran's manufacturing, mining and textile sectors as well as senior Iranian officials who Washington said were involved in the Jan. 8 attack on military bases housing U.S. troops.

 

Fears that the United States and Iran were heading for war flared over the past week after a U.S. drone strike killed Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani, spurring Iran's retaliatory strike on facilities in Iraq hosting U.S. forces.

 

No one was harmed in the Iranian ballistic missile attacks and the two sides seem to have stepped back from the brink of all-out conflict. President Donald Trump vowed on Wednesday to impose the additional sanctions, the most concrete U.S. response yet to the attacks.

 

The measures target eight senior Iranian officials who U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said are responsible for both the government's violence abroad and crackdown on protesters at home.

 

"We're striking at the heart of the Islamic Republic's inner security apparatus. These sanctions targets include the secretary of the Supreme National Council and the commander of the Basij forces," Pompeo said.

 

A commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards who was one of those sanctioned on Friday brushed of the new U.S. move as "symbolic."

 

"Imposing sanctions is symbolic for America and for me because this measure will have no economic impact and will not compensate for (Iran's) missile barrage and will not bring respect for Washington," tweeted Mohsen Rezaie.

 

Tensions between Washington and Tehran have spiked since Trump unilaterally withdrew in 2018 from the Iran nuclear deal struck by his predecessor Barack Obama and began reimposing sanctions that had been eased under the accord.

 

Those U.S. sanctions have driven down Iranian crude sales, the Islamic Republic's main source of revenues, but so far have not brought Iran back to the negotiating table to discuss a new nuclear pact as sought by Trump.

 

The United States has also sanctioned Iran's purchase of U.S. dollars, its trade in gold and precious metals and its dealings with metals, coal and industrial-related software.

 

Richard Nephew, a former White House and State Department expert on Iran sanctions during the Obama administration, played down the latest measures, saying much of the metals industry was already under sanction as were most of the individuals cited.

 

"This is a joke. These designations target an industry that is supposed to be off limits anyway and senior officials most of which were already designated," said Nephew, now a senior research scholar and adjunct professor at Columbia University.

 

Friday's sanctions freeze all properties or interests in properties that those targeted by the measures have under U.S. jurisdiction. People or foreign financial institutions engaging in certain transactions with those designated could also be exposed to sanctions themselves.

 

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin speaking alongside Pompeo at a White House news conference, said Washington would impose further sanctions if needed.

 

"We will continue to apply economic sanctions until Iran stops its terrorist activities and commits that it will never have nuclear weapons," he said.

 

Iran denies that its nuclear program is aimed at building an atomic weapon.

 

Mnuchin said waivers from sanctions would be issued for anybody that could aid the investigation of the Ukraine International Airlines passenger jet that crashed shortly after take-off from Tehran on Wednesday, killing all 176 aboard.

 

The United States has said the plane was downed by an Iranian missile, probably by mistake. Reuters and other media reported on Thursday that U.S. officials had reached that assessment based on a review of satellite data.

 

Iran has denied the Boeing 737-800 was brought down by a missile.

 

(Additional reporting by Daphne Psaledakis, Doina Chiacu and Jonathan Landay; Writing by Paul Simao; Editing by Alistair Bell)

 

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[Samui Bodoh]

8 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

The United States imposed more sanctions on Iran on Friday in retaliation for its missile attack on U.S. forces in Iraq this week and vowed to tighten the economic screws if Tehran continued "terrorist" acts or pursued a nuclear bomb.

"War is continuation of policy by other means"

Von Clausewitz

 

These actions by the US will not lead to any form of peace; they are punishment for existing and are essentially economic warfare.

 

The purpose of sanctions is to lead to an eventual dialogue and hopefully some sort of peaceful co-existence. The way that the US is acting will inevitably lead to a more conflict and likely some shooting. Or, perhaps someone thinks that the Iranians will wake up one morning and say to themselves "Hey! the US is correct. Let's do exactly what they demand."

 

It is a scary, scary thought that Trump and his acolytes are responsible for preventing a war. It would be a great thing if Trump and his Cabinet members all were forced to enlist their children into the US military; having some sort of personal stake hold might get them to act in a more responsible manner.

 

The world is in serious trouble.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 10, 2020 by Samui Bodoh
Lack of coffee

[ezzra]

4 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

"War is continuation of policy by other means"

Von Clausewitz

 

These actions by the US will not lead to any form of peace; they are punishment simply for existing and are essentially economic warfare.

 

The purpose of sanctions is to lead to an eventual dialogue and hopefully some sort of peaceful co-existence. The way that the US is acting will inevitably lead to a more conflict.

 

It is a scary, scary thought that Trump and his acolytes are responsible for preventing a war...

 

 

 

No dialogue no peace with Iran, Iran mindset is very much like of N. Korea that dictate negotiations from a position of strength, intimidations and the looming threats of nuclear armageddon if their demands will not be met, the only safe way to deal with such regim is to bring them to their knees with a economic chokehold until there will be a popular revolt and drive away those fanatic mad mohalla out...

[Tayaout]

They have been under sanction for 40 years. They are used to it. Ironically the best thing they can do now to defend themselves is to develop nuclear weapon. The US is leaving North Korea alone. Otherwise they will end like Libya and Iraq. 

[leeneeds]

All those innocent people killed because of the pure failure of communication, 

the be end all of Americas demands to deny a countries right to have nuclear power, they tried to stop the Russians, now how many countries have the bomb? US, Russia, UK, France, China, North Korea, India, Pakistan, Israel.

 hydrogen bombs have been developed by the top 5.

 For all the posturing and tit for tat that costs innocent  lives, it still comes back to dialogue, and the total failure of these supposed world leaders, who are at best toilet door writers, shame on you all,  pathetic and incompetent, This region can never be solved with the sanctions, at best the black market flourishes deeper underground.

[Samui Bodoh]

22 minutes ago, ezzra said:

No dialogue no peace with Iran, Iran mindset is very much like of N. Korea that dictate negotiations from a position of strength, intimidations and the looming threats of nuclear armageddon if their demands will not be met, the only safe way to deal with such regim is to bring them to their knees with a economic chokehold until there will be a popular revolt and drive away those fanatic mad mohalla out...

I like the Iranian regime about as much as you do, but let's review the effects of that kind of hard-line policy in the last few weeks.

 

The US killed a leading Iranian general (while NOT in a state of war). In return...

 

• Iran decided to end any sort or restrictions on their nuclear program (restrictions that were working)
• Iraq votes to toss out American troops, GREATLY enhancing Iranian influence in that country.
• A protest movement against the 'Mullahs' inside Iran, which was growing, has been stopped in its tracks
• An international agreement designed to prevent the development of nukes is essentially destroyed
• There inevitably will be an upswing of violence against US troops throughout the Middle East
• The fight against 'ISIS' has been put on hold, allowing them to re-group (Remember them?)
• The US global reputation is damaged; who would ever make a deal with them again if they don't keep their word

What you propose is an endless cycle of violence and inevitable war.

 

No thanks

 

 

Edited January 10, 2020 by Samui Bodoh
Lack of coffee

[Tug]

Samui you forgot to add are we tired of winning yet?it seems to me that trump is lurching from one fiasco to another it would be comical except the stakes are so high and so many are hurt 

[Nyezhov]

38 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

The US killed a leading Iranian general (while NOT in a state of war). In return...

 

• Iran decided to end any sort or restrictions on their nuclear program (restrictions that were working)
• Iraq votes to toss out American troops, GREATLY enhancing Iranian influence in that country.
• A protest movement against the 'Mullahs' inside Iran, which was growing, has been stopped in its tracks
• An international agreement designed to prevent the development of nukes is essentially destroyed
• There inevitably will be an upswing of violence against US troops throughout the Middle East
• The fight against 'ISIS' has been put on hold, allowing them to re-group (Remember them?)
• The US global reputation is damaged; who would ever make a deal with them again if they don't keep their word

What you propose is an endless cycle of violence and inevitable war.

Let me take your points seriatim:

 

1. The US killed a leading Iranian general (while NOT in a state of war). The US Killed a terrorits who has waged war on the USA resulting in the death and maiming of Americans and civilians in an acto of self defense to prevent further major terrorist instances.

 

2. Iran decided to end any sort or restrictions on their nuclear program (restrictions that were working): Whether they were working is a matter of debate. We abandoned that farce anyway regardless of what they say.

 

3. Iraq votes to toss out American troops, GREATLY enhancing Iranian influence in that country. Fine in my book, let them kill each other instead of US. But we arent going anywhere for a while.

 

4. A protest movement against the 'Mullahs' inside Iran, which was growing, has been stopped in its tracks;  Wont be long before that starts up again. Especially as the money dries up even more.

 

5. An international agreement designed to prevent the development of nukes is essentially destroyed:  It was dead the day Trump took office.

 

6. There inevitably will be an upswing of violence against US troops throughout the Middle East. There is always gonna be violence against US troops until we kill all the bad guys or make their countries conform to norms or just destroy them. Violence and hate is their cultural stock in trade. This situation changes nothing except to show them that if you hurt an American, you are a marked man.

 

7.The fight against 'ISIS' has been put on hold, allowing them to re-group (Remember them?); I doubt the Turks and Russkies will allow that, but the Seals should be able to take care of them if they poke their noses back up out of the sewer.

 

8. The US global reputation is damaged; who would ever make a deal with them again if they don't keep their word: O well, sucks to be us. The folks that dont trust us dont deserve out friendship.

 

There is a new wind blowing through the USA right now and its sort of like this. We are tired of spending time and money on ungrateful countries and useless wars. The new rule is play nice in this world. We have the most powerful military in the world and the best economy and can feed oursleves and produce our energy. We dont need you as much as you need us, so pay your fair share and do what we tell you. Call us a benign dictator then, no mind, but dont hurt any of our boys or we will drop a Ninja Missle on your head while you are on the pooper. And if you really hate us, go play with Russia or China then to see if they are better. 

 

And always keep in mind its not what we do do, but what we can do. Can Thailand stop us from making Buriram the 51st State? Could France stop us from annexing the Cote'D Azur? How many divisions do the Canadians have? Did you ever wonder what the world would look like if American was run by a Xi or Joe the S or Mao or Adolf. Or a Mullah. You'd all be singing the Star Spangled Banner. But that isnt us, we just want to chill and sell you Hollywood, Coke, Mickey Ds and Microsoft.

 

Sometimes the Big Dog has to nip the little dogs to keep them in line

Edited January 11, 2020 by Nyezhov

[Samui Bodoh]

8 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Let me take your points seriatim:

 

1. The US killed a leading Iranian general (while NOT in a state of war). The US Killed a terrorits who has waged war on the USA resulting in the death and maiming of Americans and civilians in an acto of self defense to prevent further major terrorist instances.

 

2. Iran decided to end any sort or restrictions on their nuclear program (restrictions that were working): Whether they were working is a matter of debate. We abandoned that farce anyway regardless of what they say.

 

3. Iraq votes to toss out American troops, GREATLY enhancing Iranian influence in that country. Fine in my book, let them kill each other instead of US. But we arent going anywhere for a while.

 

4. A protest movement against the 'Mullahs' inside Iran, which was growing, has been stopped in its tracks;  Wont be long before that starts up again. Especially as the money dries up even more.

 

5. An international agreement designed to prevent the development of nukes is essentially destroyed:  It was dead the day Trump took office.

 

6. There inevitably will be an upswing of violence against US troops throughout the Middle East. There is always gonna be violence against US troops until we kill all the bad guys or make their countries conform to norms or just destroy them. Violence and hate is their cultural stock in trade. This situation changes nothing except to show them that if you hurt an American, you are a marked man.

 

7.The fight against 'ISIS' has been put on hold, allowing them to re-group (Remember them?); I doubt the Turks and Russkies will allow that, but the Seals should be able to take care of them if they poke their noses back up out of the sewer.

 

8. The US global reputation is damaged; who would ever make a deal with them again if they don't keep their word: O well, sucks to be us. The folks that dont trust us dont deserve out friendship.

 

There is a new wind blowing through the USA right now and its sort of like this. We are tired of spending time and money on ungrateful countries and useless wars. The new rule is play nice in this world. We have the most powerful military in the world and the best economy and can feed oursleves and produce our energy. We dont need you as much as you need us, so pay your fair share and do what we tell you. Call us a benign dictator then, no mind, but dont hurt any of our boys or we will drop a Ninja Missle on your head while you are on the pooper. And if you really hate us, go play with Russia or China then to see if they are better. 

 

And always keep in mind its not what we do do, but what we can do. Can Thailand stop us from making Buriram the 51st State? Could France stop us from annexing the Cote'D Azur? How many divisions do the Canadians have? Did you ever wonder what the world would look like if American was run by a Xi or Joe the S or Mao or Adolf. Or a Mullah. You'd all be singing the Star Spangled Banner. But that isnt us, we just want to chill and sell you Hollywood, Coke, Mickey Ds and Microsoft.

 

Sometimes the Big Dog has to nip the little dogs to keep them in line

And yet when Americans travel outside their own borders...

 

...they claim that they are Canadian.

 

It says it all.

 

 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.

 

[Emdog]

Seems the US should have run out of areas where they could sanction Iran a long time ago. Whats left?

No plastic one use bag!

No plastic straws!

[Ron jeremy]

As a Canadian, I love trump, I think it's about time someone had the balls to say what he feels, no matter the political ramifications, stand up to China, and the terrible Mexican trade deal. Try to bring jobs back to America, end the need for foreign oil, as North America has more oil than anyone, keep the world in check. 

And the North American markets are on fire! 

Bad world economy???? Speak for yourselves. Certainly not here.

[Enoon]

 

The USA discovered that it could not get Saddam to cave in via sanctions after his expulsion from Kuwait.

 

Likewise it will not get Iran to cave in via sanctions.

 

The USA and Britain fabricated lies to justify their invasion of Iraq.

 

Trump has been seeking to provoke Iran into a response that (he feels)

will likewise justify him.

 

Have fun in Iran USA, this time you'll be on your own, in a country that is 1.5 times the land area of Iraq/Afghanistan combined, with a population larger than theirs combined, and is more mountainous than Afghanistan.

 

But hey, no problem, things have turned out really well in Iraq and Afghanistan.......haven't they?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by Enoon

[Boon Mee]

3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

And yet when Americans travel outside their own borders...

 

...they claim that they are Canadian.

 

It says it all.

 

 

 Maybe you do bud although not all of us are cowards... 

 

[Dumbastheycome]

3 hours ago, Tayaout said:

They have been under sanction for 40 years. They are used to it. Ironically the best thing they can do now to defend themselves is to develop nuclear weapon. The US is leaving North Korea alone. Otherwise they will end like Libya and Iraq. 

The  endgame in this  whole ongoing middle eastern conflict is to get Iran to succumb to the real agenda of the US. Iran is the sole remaining country that was involved in that group of countries that fully intended to implement a change to gold or currencies of choice in oil payments. It has  always been the $US dollarization of oil payments that has been of importance to the US. Each of those countries that presented a threat to disrupt that have been systematically destabilized by invasion on various pretexts. Iraq, Libya, Syria. Others such as Venezuela have been subjected to political disruption in support of a regime sympathetic and compliant to the US.

The Iranian regime is a major thorn in the side of the US to reassert what could be seen as global compliance. Iran is labelled as a being a supporter of  terrorist actions. Iran  can argue it is in support of resisting US economic terrorism in each and every one of those locations that have had  US led military destabilization.  Humanitarian justification is  farce given the gross  slaughter involved.The US agenda is not primarily  oil reserves but control of the financing of oil trade as a  crucial factor in maintaining the  value of the $US regardless of it's home economy. Also why the US has rejected calls for turning away from fossil fuel oil in any consideration of  climate change impact.

It is that same agenda  which is the real basis of  objection to Russia's establishment of energy supplies in Europe. Can the US compel payment  to be in $US ?

No less so than the advent of the Euro as a huge currency base despite the US having little choice in having to acknowledge. A small victory for the US is the ongoing demise of OPEC.

Perhaps now the world  has reached a turning point in the instilled naive perceptions of political deceptions?

"Render unto Caesar ...."  ? That Empire  fell apart too !

 

 

 

[Isaan sailor]

Every morning I ride my bike through my village to the dirt farm roads. My golden retriever often accompanies me on the 1st part.  It never fails, when he rounds the first corner, a deranged old soy dog attacks him—making a big scene.  My retriever just ignores him and lumbers along—an oversized, slightly overweight dog with a gentle disposition.

One day while the soy dog mounted another unprovoked attack, my dog decided he’d had enough.  He broke into a full speed charge—and knocked the soy dog right off his paws.  The soy dog stayed down.  He hasn’t been a problem since.

Don’t mess with the bigger dog.

[alex8912]

3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

And yet when Americans travel outside their own borders...

 

...they claim that they are Canadian.

 

It says it all.

 

 

Lame response. That is also one of the biggest Urban myths as well. I don’t know anyone who does that. Most feel safe as well. Must be fun to live in fear.  

[Enoon]

3 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

 

Sometimes the Big Dog has to nip the little dogs to keep them in line

 

The "Big Dog" isn't keeping anyone in line, it's just making them more angry.

 

 

[JimmyTheMook]

9 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Every morning I ride my bike through my village to the dirt farm roads. My golden retriever often accompanies me on the 1st part.  It never fails, when he rounds the first corner, a deranged old soy dog attacks him—making a big scene.  My retriever just ignores him and lumbers along—an oversized, slightly overweight dog with a gentle disposition.

One day while the soy dog mounted another unprovoked attack, my dog decided he’d had enough.  He broke into a full speed charge—and knocked the soy dog right off his paws.  The soy dog stayed down.  He hasn’t been a problem since.

Don’t mess with the bigger dog.

 

 

Carpet bombing them back to the stone age would have been entertaining though, shame they folded so quickly.

[White Christmas13]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

He loves the US so much he doesnt live there.

[CaptRon2]

3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

And yet when Americans travel outside their own borders...

 

...they claim that they are Canadian.

 

It says it all.

 

 

As usual just plain BS from a pathetic,  unhappy, no life hater. I can not think of an American who would prefer to be identified as a Canadian, unless of course it is some Cheap Charlie looking for an excuse not to leave a tip.

when asked I personally smile and say I am an American, and if the rude ass questioning continues and President Trump’s name comes up my response is I love our President, as opposed to the previous 8 years when my reply was I love my country.

i hope you have a great day spending all your time confirming to us your only pleasure in life is displaying how pitiful your life is spreading BS to to a bunch of people you don’t know from Adam. I think I will do enjoy another great day in Thailand and you made me so happy I think I will wear my MAGA hat, and perhaps in the future you can try to get your facts right when like most haters you find yourself generalizing.

[car720]

5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

The world is in serious trouble

and has been for a long long time.

I am not in any hurry to die but I will be glad when I am dead.

[The Theory]

5 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

4. A protest movement against the 'Mullahs' inside Iran, which was growing, has been stopped in its tracks;  Wont be long before that starts up again. Especially as the money dries up even more.

I love this parag. That is whole purpose of sanctions.

 

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by The Theory

[Thomas J]

How can there be more things to sanction?  

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Let me take your points seriatim:

 

1. The US killed a leading Iranian general (while NOT in a state of war). The US Killed a terrorits who has waged war on the USA resulting in the death and maiming of Americans and civilians in an acto of self defense to prevent further major terrorist instances.

 

2. Iran decided to end any sort or restrictions on their nuclear program (restrictions that were working): Whether they were working is a matter of debate. We abandoned that farce anyway regardless of what they say.

 

3. Iraq votes to toss out American troops, GREATLY enhancing Iranian influence in that country. Fine in my book, let them kill each other instead of US. But we arent going anywhere for a while.

 

4. A protest movement against the 'Mullahs' inside Iran, which was growing, has been stopped in its tracks;  Wont be long before that starts up again. Especially as the money dries up even more.

 

5. An international agreement designed to prevent the development of nukes is essentially destroyed:  It was dead the day Trump took office.

 

6. There inevitably will be an upswing of violence against US troops throughout the Middle East. There is always gonna be violence against US troops until we kill all the bad guys or make their countries conform to norms or just destroy them. Violence and hate is their cultural stock in trade. This situation changes nothing except to show them that if you hurt an American, you are a marked man.

 

7.The fight against 'ISIS' has been put on hold, allowing them to re-group (Remember them?); I doubt the Turks and Russkies will allow that, but the Seals should be able to take care of them if they poke their noses back up out of the sewer.

 

8. The US global reputation is damaged; who would ever make a deal with them again if they don't keep their word: O well, sucks to be us. The folks that dont trust us dont deserve out friendship.

 

There is a new wind blowing through the USA right now and its sort of like this. We are tired of spending time and money on ungrateful countries and useless wars. The new rule is play nice in this world. We have the most powerful military in the world and the best economy and can feed oursleves and produce our energy. We dont need you as much as you need us, so pay your fair share and do what we tell you. Call us a benign dictator then, no mind, but dont hurt any of our boys or we will drop a Ninja Missle on your head while you are on the pooper. And if you really hate us, go play with Russia or China then to see if they are better. 

 

And always keep in mind its not what we do do, but what we can do. Can Thailand stop us from making Buriram the 51st State? Could France stop us from annexing the Cote'D Azur? How many divisions do the Canadians have? Did you ever wonder what the world would look like if American was run by a Xi or Joe the S or Mao or Adolf. Or a Mullah. You'd all be singing the Star Spangled Banner. But that isnt us, we just want to chill and sell you Hollywood, Coke, Mickey Ds and Microsoft.

 

Sometimes the Big Dog has to nip the little dogs to keep them in line

Dear oh dear, what are you smoking today?

 

You have the best military in the world. True. That didn't stop little guys in black pyjamas from kicking you out of Vietnam. Haven't you learned that lesson? It's not very sensible to be using million-dollar missiles to take out senior commanders, when insurgents can be killing and maiming your troops with IED's costing a few hundred dollars. The attack on the Saudi oil installations was just the overture. How much was the damage caused, and how much did the drones cost the Houthi rebels? You think the Iranians will play nice now?

 

Last time I looked, you weren't selling Maccas and Microsoft too well. You are doing well selling armaments to quite a few countries. Your farmers are hurting thanks to Trump's trade war with China, and your manufacturing industry is shot despite his promises. Boeing is teetering on bankruptcy, due to the 737 MAX fiasco.

 

You have the best economy in the world? Yeah right. Your medical care and pharmaceuticals are the most expensive in the world. How many of your citizens are on food stamps? Don't you realize if the rest of the world revokes your reserve currency status because of the trillions of dollars you owe, you won't have a pot to p**s in?

 

Fess up. The only reason the USA is in the Middle East is for energy security. All this talk of making the world safe for peace and democracy is codswallop.

 

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by Lacessit

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and the replies have been removed. 

[zydeco]

We are being played. Immediately after the initial drone strike, Trump and Co. were pleading with the Iranians for deescalation. All through the Swiss. And all while Trump was shooting his mouth off promising World War III in public. This entire episode was a sham. Designed to make a statement and a warning by hitting Soleimani, Trump completely undercut everything he claimed to be working for by begging with the Iranians not to hit back. Same MO as with Chinese on the trade deal. Make an ineffectual first move, brag about how tough you are, and then surrender, while claiming victory. 

 https://www.wsj.com/articles/swiss-back-channel-helped-defuse-u-s-iran-crisis-11578702290?mod=hp_lead_pos1

[Nyezhov]

2 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

The "Big Dog" isn't keeping anyone in line, it's just making them more angry.

 

 

then we will just have to bite more, and harder.

[Longcut]

On 1/11/2020 at 6:20 AM, leeneeds said:

All those innocent people killed because of the pure failure of communication, 

the be end all of Americas demands to deny a countries right to have nuclear power, they tried to stop the Russians, now how many countries have the bomb? US, Russia, UK, France, China, North Korea, India, Pakistan, Israel.

 hydrogen bombs have been developed by the top 5.

 For all the posturing and tit for tat that costs innocent  lives, it still comes back to dialogue, and the total failure of these supposed world leaders, who are at best toilet door writers, shame on you all,  pathetic and incompetent, This region can never be solved with the sanctions, at best the black market flourishes deeper underground.

You do realize that Iran has the capability to hit southern Europe with it's ICBMs? It won't be long until it is capable of hitting all of Europe. Now imagine a Nuclear capable ICBM. Europe will be Iran's slave. You will only exist to support whatever Iran wants. There will be nothing you can do about it. Because, Iran will use it. Have no doubts.

[leeneeds]

6 hours ago, Longcut said:

You do realize that Iran has the capability to hit southern Europe with it's ICBMs? It won't be long until it is capable of hitting all of Europe. Now imagine a Nuclear capable ICBM. Europe will be Iran's slave. You will only exist to support whatever Iran wants. There will be nothing you can do about it. Because, Iran will use it. Have no doubts.

Assured destruction is not the way the game is played,