U.S. Senate rejects Democratic bid for documents in Trump impeachment trial

[TooBigToFit]

On 1/23/2020 at 8:59 AM, earlinclaifornia said:

You do sound uninformed and confused. Before impeachment he did say that he wanted to testify then reversed that. His MO is to say both and has no worry his CULT will support. In America we call that " speaking with both sides of your mouth". He denies, then deflects then says I did it so what! 

It's hard to follow this as an America with so much coming out all the time. The right wing spin and lie teams are constantly out to confuse and distort. In the morning you have one clear fact and by afternoon the right wing media on TV and on the Net has many people questioning their own memories. I'm sick of this bs and I want people taken to court over this misinformation campaign.

[JHolmesJr]

9 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Because the evidence is overwhelming that the Joseph Biden's actions had nothing to do with his son or Burisma.

 

Let me know the GPS co-ordinates for Whelming 'cause I need to get over there and check it out pronto!

[Chiphigh]

13 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Because the evidence is overwhelming that the Joseph Biden's actions had nothing to do with his son or Burisma. This is like saying that if a crazy person kills someone because he believes he's a Martian, then we should investigate whether the victim was in fact a Martian. There's no there there.

There was no investigation,and yet there is overwhelming evidence.... Against any wrong doing. 

 

The Chinese investment is what I want to have investigated. 

 

 

Now that is amazing. 

[rabas]

17 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Because the evidence is overwhelming that the Joseph Biden's actions had nothing to do with his son or Burisma. This is like saying that if a crazy person kills someone because he believes he's a Martian, then we should investigate whether the victim was in fact a Martian. There's no there there.

What evidence? No Biden has testified.

 

-- and if the alleged Martian was caught with millions of dollars in Martian banknotes, which he refused to explain???

Edited January 29, 2020 by rabas

[WalkingOrders]

39 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

I stand before you today, fully acquitted of all bogus impeachment charges....

O what a sweet opener that will be....a few Dems might need therapy after.

I hope Lindsey knows something we don't. The whole Bolton thing is nonsense...

just a desperate leak to try and get him up there in the hope that he'll say

something damning....notice how they didn't quote a single sentence from the

manuscript....

And then comes Durham.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

I bring up Pam Bondi's past dealings with Trump as an illustration of his lack of character.  Trump buys off politicians and hires swamp creatures for his administration and legal team.  He made it clear he'd accept illegal information from a foreign power on an opponent without notifying the FBI.  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-he-would-want-hear-information-political-opponents-if-contacted-foreign-power-1443719

 

Trump is so thoroughly immersed in corruption he assumes that's the way the world works.  In his mind the phone call probably was perfect.

 

Congratulations Trump fans; you've elected the ultimate swamp creature to drain the swamp.  It isn't working.

 

So Pam Bondi brought up the Hunter Biden/Burisma deflection 400 times.  You think that is a good thing?  Burisma's hiring practices are of no pertinence in this trial. 

 

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

Reading is fundamental Bruce. I said the House managers brought up Burisma and Biden 400 times NOT Pam Bondi who was responding. Try again.

So you let all my post about Trump corruption stand.  Ok.

[heybruce]

40 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

There was no investigation,and yet there is overwhelming evidence.... Against any wrong doing. 

 

The Chinese investment is what I want to have investigated. 

 

 

Now that is amazing. 

 

40 minutes ago, rabas said:

What evidence? No Biden has testified.

 

-- and if the alleged Martian was caught with millions of dollars in Martian banknotes, which he refused to explain???

Trump has not been impeached for what Hunter Biden did.  Understand?

[rabas]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

Trump has not been impeached for what Hunter Biden did.  Understand?

I understand that no one has suggested that.

[JHolmesJr]

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

Trump has not been impeached for what Hunter Biden did.  Understand?

we'll find out when he gets called as a witness under penalty of perjury.

[bristolboy]

34 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

And then comes Durham.

I remember when the alt right was frothing with glee over Huber's investigation. There were certain to be massive numbers of criminal prosecution out of that. The same for Horowitz. And now they're pinning their hopes on Durham. 

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

What evidence? No Biden has testified.

 

-- and if the alleged Martian was caught with millions of dollars in Martian banknotes, which he refused to explain???

But whatever explanation that Martian has to offer, we know already from the huge amount of evidence that it had nothing to do any actions taken by his daddy. Since his daddy was acting under orders from his boss.

[candide]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Because the evidence is overwhelming that the Joseph Biden's actions had nothing to do with his son or Burisma. This is like saying that if a crazy person kills someone because he believes he's a Martian, then we should investigate whether the victim was in fact a Martian. There's no there there.

Exactly, just like the ridiculous "Ukrainian" Crowdstrike conspiracy theory Trump also mentioned.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Chiphigh said:

There was no investigation,and yet there is overwhelming evidence.... Against any wrong doing. 

 

The Chinese investment is what I want to have investigated. 

 

 

Now that is amazing. 

The Republicans don't want to investigate the Biden's, they only want a  show. Why didn't they start an investigation?

Edited January 29, 2020 by candide

[candide]

The latest Quinnipiac University poll, released earlier today, shows that a large majority—75 percent—of voters think the Senate should allow witness testimony in the ongoing impeachment trial.

https://www.newsweek.com/75-americans-trends-after-poll-shows-majority-americans-want-hear-witnesses-trump-1484487

 

 

[mogandave]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

 

Trump has not been impeached for what Hunter Biden did.  Understand?

Exactly. 
 

He’s being impeached for trying to investigate Biden.

[WalkingOrders]

2 hours ago, candide said:

The latest Quinnipiac University poll, released earlier today, shows that a large majority—75 percent—of voters think the Senate should allow witness testimony in the ongoing impeachment trial.

https://www.newsweek.com/75-americans-trends-after-poll-shows-majority-americans-want-hear-witnesses-trump-1484487

 

 

The Democrats dont want witnesses. They just want to posture that they want witnesses. I would love to hear what the Biden campaign has to say. Or schiffs staffers, the whistleblower, etc behind closed doors. Don't believe the hype. A long battle to ultimately lose? Sure, fight for witnesses... make my day!

[WalkingOrders]

2 hours ago, candide said:

Exactly, just like the ridiculous "Ukrainian" Crowdstrike conspiracy theory Trump also mentioned.

Watch Pam Bondi one more time and tell me the President did not have a legitimate concern about the Bidens, more here then mentioning Crowdstrike. The Democrat party is done like bunt bisquits! Finished. And the Biden blood bath? Just getting started. 

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, rabas said:

How on Earth does impeaching Trump for looking into possible Biden corruption in Ukraine not have anything to do with the Bidens?    

 

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

 

Trump has not been impeached for what Hunter Biden did.  Understand?

 

4 hours ago, rabas said:

I understand that no one has suggested that.

Please see your earlier post.

4 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

we'll find out when he gets called as a witness under penalty of perjury.

Yes!  Let's start calling witnesses!

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

Exactly. 
 

He’s being impeached for trying to investigate Biden.

Yet Attorney General Bar was surprised and upset to learn about the investigation. 

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

The Democrats dont want witnesses. They just want to posture that they want witnesses. I would love to hear what the Biden campaign has to say. Or schiffs staffers, the whistleblower, etc behind closed doors. Don't believe the hype. A long battle to ultimately lose? Sure, fight for witnesses... make my day!

Right, call the Democrat's bluff and let's have witnesses.  The Republicans can have the pleasure of revealing that Hunter Biden was shamelessly profiting from his father's name, and the Democrats can have the pleasure of hearing John Bolton explain that Trump was blackmailing Zelensky to announce a BS investigation against Trump's likely opponent in the upcoming election.

[WalkingOrders]

25 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Right, call the Democrat's bluff and let's have witnesses.  The Republicans can have the pleasure of revealing that Hunter Biden was shamelessly profiting from his father's name, and the Democrats can have the pleasure of hearing John Bolton explain that Trump was blackmailing Zelensky to announce a BS investigation against Trump's likely opponent in the upcoming election.

How many more times? The President of the Ukraine thought the call went fine. He has said so several times. The Ukrainians did not even know any funds were held up for a month. The Foreign minister of Ukraine has given a long long long interview saying the Ukraine has zero issues with the call. It's difficult to blackmail (your terminology) someone, when they have no idea a blackmail is taking place. I expect they will all back out of witness calling by claiming the other side had set rules too horrible - and thus some on both sides save face, and no witnesses called and vote held. Otherwise - get ready to rumble. I will take your John Bolton (if they dare to think you have him under control) vs Schiff, Hunter and Daddy, schiff's staff, and the Lt Colonel Vindman, I will also give you Lev Parnas just for fun. Then a whole bunch of us can meet at a bar somewhere in Bangkok. It will be fun! Never mind - I forgot the entire process will take months. Then there is the whole problem with Sanders, Biden, and that woman who I cannot mischaracterize in anyway all running for President - sometime after this is over - a riot.! Sure call the witnesses. Trump is filling stadiums. Oh I forgot throw Rudy in there for fun!

Edited January 29, 2020 by WalkingOrders
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[riclag]

9 hours ago, TooBigToFit said:

It's hard to follow this as an America with so much coming out all the time. The right wing spin and lie teams are constantly out to confuse and distort. In the morning you have one clear fact and by afternoon the right wing media on TV and on the Net has many people questioning their own memories. I'm sick of this bs and I want people taken to court over this misinformation campaign.

 Me too... What dems do you have in mind! Certainly listening to Harvard law Prof  A.  Dershowitz,constitutional scholar ,democrat, libertarian who voted for HC, lambasting the dems  at the trial for inciting a unconstitutional impeachment by not allowing the POTUS to exercise his constitutional right in exercising executive privilege could be construed as obstructing congress, I hope  they loose their seats on committee and election bids when they run again  ! They are interfering in the 2020 election and deviding the republic . Their Hate is destroying the republics institutions ! imop.

 

 

Watching the coverage of all the radical dems highlights ,the same ones that where around in the 90's screaming for the same justice that the GOP is now ! Hypocrites !The only difference is this time they have 2 unconstitutional impeachment articles!

 

Trump 2020 

Edited January 29, 2020 by riclag

[riclag]

8 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

we'll find out when he gets called as a witness under penalty of perjury.

This dem wants biden to testify! So we already know from the DOJ that Bolton's book controversy is just that a nothing burger ,leaked out in typical fashion by accusation! But America wants to hear  about what concerned the POTUS on ukraine corruption  to make  him suspicious and put aid on hold to vett the new administration 

 

[rabas]

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4 hours ago, heybruce said:

10 hours ago, rabas said:

How on Earth does impeaching Trump for looking into possible Biden corruption in Ukraine not have anything to do with the Bidens?    

 

9 hours ago, heybruce said:

Trump has not been impeached for what Hunter Biden did.  Understand?

 

8 hours ago, rabas said:

I understand that no one has suggested that.

Please see your earlier post.

Perhaps I'm not up on MSM logic but please point out where I (or anyone) says "Trump was impeached for what Hunter Biden did."

[JHolmesJr]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

This dem wants biden to testify! So we already know from the DOJ that Bolton's book controversy is just that a nothing burger ,leaked out in typical fashion by accusation! But America wants to hear  about what concerned the POTUS on ukraine corruption  to make  him suspicious and put aid on hold to vett the new administration 

 

 

OMG...this was priceless...watch willie geist's lips curl down in a frown as he doesn't get the answer

he wants. They are so transparent, the DNC media....then people wonder why independent thinkers 

dont believe a word they say.

Edited January 29, 2020 by JHolmesJr

[bristolboy]

5 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

How many more times? The President of the Ukraine thought the call went fine. He has said so several times. The Ukrainians did not even know any funds were held up for a month. 

Really?

Ukraine officials knew about hold on aid earlier than reported

A senior U.S. Department of Defense official testified on Wednesday that Ukrainian officials knew President Donald Trump’s administration was withholding military assistance in July, undercutting a key Republican defense of the president’s actions in the impeachment inquiry.

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper testified at a hearing in the impeachment inquiry into Trump that has largely focused on the decision to withhold nearly $400 million in security aid.

She said Ukrainian officials had known in July about the holdup in the security aid, which was new information she had not had when she was interviewed behind closed doors on Oct. 23.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-cooper/ukraine-officials-knew-about-hold-on-aid-earlier-than-reported-idUSKBN1XU2VX

 

Ukraine Knew of Aid Freeze in July, Says Ex-Top Official in Kyiv

Ukraine’s government learned of the military aid freeze during the Trump administration’s pressure campaign — and tried to keep that knowledge from going public, an ex-deputy foreign minister said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/world/europe/ukraine-impeachment-military-aid.html

[JHolmesJr]

41 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Really?

Ukraine officials knew about hold on aid earlier than reported

A senior U.S. Department of Defense official testified on Wednesday that Ukrainian officials knew President Donald Trump’s administration was withholding military assistance in July, undercutting a key Republican defense of the president’s actions in the impeachment inquiry.

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper testified at a hearing in the impeachment inquiry into Trump that has largely focused on the decision to withhold nearly $400 million in security aid.

She said Ukrainian officials had known in July about the holdup in the security aid, which was new information she had not had when she was interviewed behind closed doors on Oct. 23.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-cooper/ukraine-officials-knew-about-hold-on-aid-earlier-than-reported-idUSKBN1XU2VX

 

Ukraine Knew of Aid Freeze in July, Says Ex-Top Official in Kyiv

Ukraine’s government learned of the military aid freeze during the Trump administration’s pressure campaign — and tried to keep that knowledge from going public, an ex-deputy foreign minister said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/world/europe/ukraine-impeachment-military-aid.html

 

Already debunked as nonsense. Dont stray with unproven facts from biased sources.

Here's a more interesting question:

 

Adam Schiff and gang interviewed 18 witnesses in their impeachment inquiry. They have released the transcripts of only 17 of them, withholding the testimony of the ICIG. Why are they suppressing crucial witness evidence from Senators before they vote?

[bristolboy]

11 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Already debunked as nonsense. Dont stray with unproven facts from biased sources.

Here's a more interesting question:

 

Adam Schiff and gang interviewed 18 witnesses in their impeachment inquiry. They have released the transcripts of only 17 of them, withholding the testimony of the ICIG. Why are they suppressing crucial witness evidence from Senators before they vote?

Right. Laura Cooper, a senior defense department official  is a biased source? Or are you contending that her testimony, which is a matter of public record, was made up by Reuters? Such nonsense.

[candide]

8 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

Watch Pam Bondi one more time and tell me the President did not have a legitimate concern about the Bidens, more here then mentioning Crowdstrike. The Democrat party is done like bunt bisquits! Finished. And the Biden blood bath? Just getting started. 

With such overwhelming evidence, why is it that the Republican administration did not start any official investigation? Dereliction of duty? ????

[heybruce]

10 hours ago, mogandave said:

Exactly. 
 

He’s being impeached for trying to investigate Biden.

Not exactly.  He's been impeached for asking a foreign government to announce an investigation of a political opponent with zero evidence of a crime.

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

How many more times? The President of the Ukraine thought the call went fine. He has said so several times. The Ukrainians did not even know any funds were held up for a month. The Foreign minister of Ukraine has given a long long long interview saying the Ukraine has zero issues with the call. It's difficult to blackmail (your terminology) someone, when they have no idea a blackmail is taking place. I expect they will all back out of witness calling by claiming the other side had set rules too horrible - and thus some on both sides save face, and no witnesses called and vote held. Otherwise - get ready to rumble. I will take your John Bolton (if they dare to think you have him under control) vs Schiff, Hunter and Daddy, schiff's staff, and the Lt Colonel Vindman, I will also give you Lev Parnas just for fun. Then a whole bunch of us can meet at a bar somewhere in Bangkok. It will be fun! Never mind - I forgot the entire process will take months. Then there is the whole problem with Sanders, Biden, and that woman who I cannot mischaracterize in anyway all running for President - sometime after this is over - a riot.! Sure call the witnesses. Trump is filling stadiums. Oh I forgot throw Rudy in there for fun!

How many more times?  President Zelensky doesn't dare upset Trump when Ukraine is dependent on US support to survive its war with Russia.  Lying for the good of the nation  is common during wartime.  President Zelensky knew he wasn't getting a meeting with Trump without first announcing the BS investigation.  The Ukraine government knew it hadn't received the promised aid and that time to receive it was running out.

 

Your confidence in Bolton is misplaced.  He's unhappy with being fired for trying to keep Trump from doing something insanely stupid.  Remember what a ruthless, vindictive SOB he is?  https://www.yahoo.com/news/bolton-who-may-hold-impeachment-bombshell-has-a-history-of-settling-scores-170021430.html