U.S. Senate rejects Democratic bid for documents in Trump impeachment trial

[candide]

8 hours ago, riclag said:

Come on man that was a September article! Z the lead witness has said normal ,no push,no blackmail on 3 separate occasions

He always used statements that could be interpreted both ways.

[Kelsall]

Documents or not, liberal Democrat Senator Diane Feinstein will vote to acquit.

 

"Feinstein leans toward acquitting Trump as his defense team ends impeachment arguments"

 

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-01-28/trump-team-wraps-impeachment-defense-with-an-elephant-in-the-senate-john-bolton

Edited January 28, 2020 by Kelsall

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/24/2020 at 4:41 PM, WalkingOrders said:

Well, as Chulupa is a DNC operative...who was in where? In Ukraine...for what purpose? She is relevant to any charge of DNC attempting to use Ukraine to meddle in a US election.... or is Ukraine a place where Dem Party operatives hang out for coffee? As for Biden, the Democrats have just spent 2 days claiming the Biden's are clean as a whistle? Hmmmm, do ya think the President's team might reply? After all, it appears to speak direct to the intent of the President. Perhaps it's not hypocritical? After all did these subjects not enter into the original phonecall? It's the main topic. Poor Biden, his own party hates Trump so much they are willing to use him as a rag to wipe up his own blood. Coming soon Jay Sekulow!!!

I watched the woman on Trump's defense team spend her entire time pointing out facts about the Bidens in Ukraine. If anyone actually believes Hunter wasn't there for some reason other than his expertise in the gas industry I can only wonder in amazement.

[MaxYakov]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I watched the woman on Trump's defense team spend her entire time pointing out facts about the Bidens in Ukraine. If anyone actually believes Hunter wasn't there for some reason other than his expertise in the gas industry I can only wonder in amazement.

Pam Bondi - I'd have her on my team any time, but I believe she's a bit above my pay grade:

 

 

Edited January 28, 2020 by MaxYakov

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

Crooked Pam Bondi?  The Florida Attorney General who agreed not to join a lawsuit against Trump University in exchange for a $25,000 donation from Trump to her re-election campaign?  Not a person to trust.

 

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/20/12242170/pam-bondi-trump-rnc-convention

https://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/elections/trump-contribution-to-pam-bondis-re-election-draws-more-scrutiny-to-her/2147796/

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/politics/pam-bondi-donald-trump-donation/index.html

 

Funny that some people thought Trump would "drain the swamp".

 

36 minutes ago, MaxYakov said:

Pam Bondi - I'd have her on my team any time, but I believe she's a bit above my pay grade:

 

 

As indicated, Trump bought her services for $25 grand.  Less than a porn star.

Edited January 28, 2020 by heybruce

[MaxYakov]

18 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

As indicated, Trump bought her services for $25 grand.  Less than a porn star.

Thanks! Glad to see you're right on top of her this matter. ????

Edited January 28, 2020 by MaxYakov

[Credo]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I watched the woman on Trump's defense team spend her entire time pointing out facts about the Bidens in Ukraine. If anyone actually believes Hunter wasn't there for some reason other than his expertise in the gas industry I can only wonder in amazement.

People are selected to sit on a board for a variety of reasons.   Expertise is not always one of them.   Experts are hired to work for the company.  Many people on a board are there for name recognition and for contacts that might be of help to the company.   

I have served on several different boards and it was always for something that I could offer and it wasn't for my expertise in the business per se.   

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, Credo said:

People are selected to sit on a board for a variety of reasons.   Expertise is not always one of them.   Experts are hired to work for the company.  Many people on a board are there for name recognition and for contacts that might be of help to the company.   

I have served on several different boards and it was always for something that I could offer and it wasn't for my expertise in the business per se.   

 

Fair enough, but most of us know why Hunter was on that particular board at a time the company was being investigated for corruption. Pamela Bondi laid it out quite well.

Of course, had the 2016 election gone to plan, probably none of it would have come out for public view.

Edited January 29, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[Ricohoc]

16 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

After Patrick Philbin's excellent defense, I hope they are able to simply hold a successful vote that tosses this out quickly. His grounds are so solid that the House's entire proceeding was a sham. For the sake of the future, this should never be allowed again.

Agree.

 

Democrats are doing to 'impeachment' what they've done to 'racism'.  Their phony attacks on people as being racist has now made everyone racist -- and the term has become meaningless.

 

If the Senate provides anymore time to this phony impeachment sham, every POTUS will be impeached from this day forward; and being impeached won't mean anything anymore either.

 

 

[JHolmesJr]

8 hours ago, bristolboy said:

What nonsense are you on about? If there was anything that Horowitz had license to do, it was to thoroughly investigate FISA and the FBI. And he found plenty to find fault with. But he specifically found that political bias played no part in the FBI investigation.

 

"Grassley and Johnson allege that four classified footnes in the IG report on FISA abuse directly contradict claims made in the unclassified version of the report."

 

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/28/grassley-johnson-demand-declassification-of-four-key-footnotes-in-ig-report-on-fisa-abuses/

[WalkingOrders]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

 

As indicated, Trump bought her services for $25 grand.  Less than a porn star.

Are you disputing ANY of her argument before the United States Senate in this impeachment trial? NO you are not. You are here to attack her character as if she were a witness, which she isn't. If you can't take on her argument just hit the road jack. The topic here is impeachment and its getting old the constant deflection. Hunter Biden remember the name!

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

"Grassley and Johnson allege that four classified footnes in the IG report on FISA abuse directly contradict claims made in the unclassified version of the report."

 

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/28/grassley-johnson-demand-declassification-of-four-key-footnotes-in-ig-report-on-fisa-abuses/

And yet the administration is keeping it under wraps...hmm...sure...Horowitz is suppressing evidence. Please...

[bristolboy]

41 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Are you disputing ANY of her argument before the United States Senate in this impeachment trial? NO you are not. You are here to attack her character as if she were a witness, which she isn't. If you can't take on her argument just hit the road jack. The topic here is impeachment and its getting old the constant deflection. Hunter Biden remember the name!

Too ludicrous to be true. You rant about deflection and then you invoke Hunter Biden. It is to laugh.

[WalkingOrders]

20 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Too ludicrous to be true. You rant about deflection and then you invoke Hunter Biden. It is to laugh.

Well the House managers brought him and Burisma up over 400 times, and it was the topic of Pam Bondi, but it seems ludicrous to you I would bring up his name? The only thing ludicrous is your comment.

 

The Bidens , both of them, are at the very heart of this, as this entire impeachment trial has shown.

 

I can give that someone takes a side, but to not understand fully both sides of the argument to the point of incredulous gasps at the mention of Hunter Biden is a bit beyond silly at this point. It pretty much comes down to was it reasonable to wonder what the guy was doing for all that money?

Edited January 29, 2020 by WalkingOrders

[WalkingOrders]

Well, how bout that Jay Sekulow?Can we give him and the entire team a hand for a job well done!!

????????????????????

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Well the House managers brought him and Burisma up over 400 times, and it was the topic of Pam Bondi, but it seems ludicrous to you I would bring up his name? The only thing ludicrous is your comment.

 

The Bidens , both of them, are at the very heart of this, as this entire impeachment trial has shown.

 

I can give that someone takes a side, but to not understand fully both sides of the argument to the point of incredulous gasps at the mention of Hunter Biden is a bit beyond silly at this point. It pretty much comes down to was it reasonable to wonder what the guy was doing for all that money?

for the sake of it, because you keep bringing it up, please enlighten us and explain what does Hunter Biden has to do with POTUS obstruction of congress and abuse of power

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, WalkingOrders said:

Well the House managers brought him and Burisma up over 400 times, and it was the topic of Pam Bondi, but it seems ludicrous to you I would bring up his name? The only thing ludicrous is your comment.

 

The Bidens , both of them, are at the very heart of this, as this entire impeachment trial has shown.

 

I can give that someone takes a side, but to not understand fully both sides of the argument to the point of incredulous gasps at yhe mention of Hunter Biden is a bit beyond silly at this point. It pretty much comes down to was it reasonable to wonder what the guy was doing for all that money?

No, it's not unreasonable to wonder what the guy was doing for all that money. Nor is it unreasonable to ask why Jared Kushner got bailed out of his disastrous real estate investment via a sweetheart deal with Qatar. In fact, less unreasonable since Kushner is actually a member of the government whose bailiwick is the Middle East. Or that Ivanka Trump got a lot of trademarks granted by the Chinese government about the time the her father let ZTE stay in business rather than go bankrupt. But these instances are also irrelevant. 

 

The reason Hunter Biden's name keeps on coming up is because Republicans are bringing it up. It has been exhaustively and thoroughly documented that Joseph Biden was carrying out the policy of the US government in conjunction with the EU. the IMF, and, I believe, the World Bank. He was not an instigator of that policy but only an agent. Getting rid of the corrupt Shokin who was derelict in investigating corrupt oligarchs was his assignment and he did it well.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

Are you disputing ANY of her argument before the United States Senate in this impeachment trial? NO you are not. You are here to attack her character as if she were a witness, which she isn't. If you can't take on her argument just hit the road jack. The topic here is impeachment and its getting old the constant deflection. Hunter Biden remember the name!

I bring up Pam Bondi's past dealings with Trump as an illustration of his lack of character.  Trump buys off politicians and hires swamp creatures for his administration and legal team.  He made it clear he'd accept illegal information from a foreign power on an opponent without notifying the FBI.  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-he-would-want-hear-information-political-opponents-if-contacted-foreign-power-1443719

 

Trump is so thoroughly immersed in corruption he assumes that's the way the world works.  In his mind the phone call probably was perfect.

 

Congratulations Trump fans; you've elected the ultimate swamp creature to drain the swamp.  It isn't working.

 

2 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Well the House managers brought him and Burisma up over 400 times, and it was the topic of Pam Bondi, but it seems ludicrous to you I would bring up his name? The only thing ludicrous is your comment.

 

The Bidens , both of them, are at the very heart of this, as this entire impeachment trial has shown.

 

I can give that someone takes a side, but to not understand fully both sides of the argument to the point of incredulous gasps at the mention of Hunter Biden is a bit beyond silly at this point. It pretty much comes down to was it reasonable to wonder what the guy was doing for all that money?

So Pam Bondi brought up the Hunter Biden/Burisma deflection 400 times.  You think that is a good thing?  Burisma's hiring practices are of no pertinence in this trial. 

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Well, how bout that Jay Sekulow?Can we give him and the entire team a hand for a job well done!!

????????????????????

Certainly his denial of the original intent of the Founding Fathers in regard to what constitutes an impeachable offense is remarkable!

[WalkingOrders]

10 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

for the sake of it, because you keep bringing it up, please enlighten us and explain what does Hunter Biden has to do with POTUS obstruction of congress and abuse of power

No I will not. If you do not understand the President's defense at this stage of the game, dont have the literal ability to argue both sides right off the top of your head, or don't know how to find such information in ten minutes or less, it shows that you really do not have any idea what is going on.

 

Obviously you have not watched either side make their case. If you would have you would understand the case regardless of what side you take.

Edited January 29, 2020 by WalkingOrders
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[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

I bring up Pam Bondi's past dealings with Trump as an illustration of his lack of character.  Trump buys off politicians and hires swamp creatures for his administration and legal team.  He made it clear he'd accept illegal information from a foreign power on an opponent without notifying the FBI.  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-he-would-want-hear-information-political-opponents-if-contacted-foreign-power-1443719

 

Trump is so thoroughly immersed in corruption he assumes that's the way the world works.  In his mind the phone call probably was perfect.

 

Congratulations Trump fans; you've elected the ultimate swamp creature to drain the swamp.  It isn't working.

 

So Pam Bondi brought up the Hunter Biden/Burisma deflection 400 times.  You think that is a good thing?  Burisma's hiring practices are of no pertinence in this trial. 

Actually, on that score, Jay Sekulow is another sleazebag:

Trump lawyer's firm steered millions in donations to family members, files show 

Documents obtained by the Guardian reveal Jay Sekulow approved plans to push people to give to his Christian nonprofit, which then paid big sums to his family

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1144489-us-senate-rejects-democratic-bid-for-documents-in-trump-impeachment-trial/page/38/#comments

 

[WalkingOrders]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I bring up Pam Bondi's past dealings with Trump as an illustration of his lack of character.  Trump buys off politicians and hires swamp creatures for his administration and legal team.  He made it clear he'd accept illegal information from a foreign power on an opponent without notifying the FBI.  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-he-would-want-hear-information-political-opponents-if-contacted-foreign-power-1443719

 

Trump is so thoroughly immersed in corruption he assumes that's the way the world works.  In his mind the phone call probably was perfect.

 

Congratulations Trump fans; you've elected the ultimate swamp creature to drain the swamp.  It isn't working.

 

So Pam Bondi brought up the Hunter Biden/Burisma deflection 400 times.  You think that is a good thing?  Burisma's hiring practices are of no pertinence in this trial. 

Reading is fundamental Bruce. I said the House managers brought up Burisma and Biden 400 times NOT Pam Bondi who was responding. Try again.

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

No I will not. If you do not understand the President's defense at this stage of the game, dont have the literal ability argue both sides right off the top of your head, or don't know how to find such information in ten minutes or less, it shows that you really do not have any idea what is going on.

 

Obviously you have not watched either side make their case. If you would have you would understand the case regardless of what side you take.

not long ago I was the proud owner of a race horse, the poor animal had a problem focusing on the race, had to wear eye blinders all the time  555

[Ricohoc]

 

 

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

 

 

.... and the pope is catholic

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

 

 

A Trump supporter's idea of an impartial commentator.

[WalkingOrders]

9 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

 

 

Wow. On fire. Its gonna be an awesome State of The Union Address!

[rabas]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Too ludicrous to be true. You rant about deflection and then you invoke Hunter Biden. It is to laugh.

How on Earth does impeaching Trump for looking into possible Biden corruption in Ukraine not have anything to do with the Bidens?    

[JHolmesJr]

18 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Wow. On fire. Its gonna be an awesome State of The Union Address!

 

I stand before you today, fully acquitted of all bogus impeachment charges....

O what a sweet opener that will be....a few Dems might need therapy after.

I hope Lindsey knows something we don't. The whole Bolton thing is nonsense...

just a desperate leak to try and get him up there in the hope that he'll say

something damning....notice how they didn't quote a single sentence from the

manuscript....

[bristolboy]

23 minutes ago, rabas said:

How on Earth does impeaching Trump for looking into possible Biden corruption in Ukraine not have anything to do with the Bidens?    

Because the evidence is overwhelming that the Joseph Biden's actions had nothing to do with his son or Burisma. This is like saying that if a crazy person kills someone because he believes he's a Martian, then we should investigate whether the victim was in fact a Martian. There's no there there.