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1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

I am not, was not a supporter of Iraq war, and favor total withdraw, but who determined the war was "illegal", who determines if a war is legal for the United States? 

In the case of the Iraq war, and many other wars perpetrated by the US, common sense easily determines they were illegal.

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

No. They never did. The USA should withdraw forces today, likewise Afghanistan, likewise leave NATO and withdraw from Germany, also South Korea.

Iraq and Afghanistan for sure. Both are massive foreign policy failures. And the Afghan and allied control over territory continues to drop to the point where the Pentagon is no longer even trying to access it, or use that as any sort of metric. 

 

In Iraq, due to one blunder after another, the US will be asked to leave soon. Trillions of dollars later. Hundreds of thousands of lives later. Pure US hubris. Pure GOP ignorance. Pure nonsense. Get out now. 

37 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

I don't favor intervention. 

You continually sidestep the question??  And please dont tell us again you want the US to retreat.

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Iraq and Afghanistan for sure. Both are massive foreign policy failures. And the Afghan and allied control over territory continues to drop to the point where the Pentagon is no longer even trying to access it, or use that as any sort of metric. 

 

In Iraq, due to one blunder after another, the US will be asked to leave soon. Trillions of dollars later. Hundreds of thousands of lives later. Pure US hubris. Pure GOP ignorance. Pure nonsense. Get out now. 

The defense companies made a lot of money and that of course was the purpose. Sure , we spent $100 for every $1 they made, but that was enough to enrich them. The lives lost are accounted for elsewhere in the budget so it's a win as far as they are concerned.

 

49 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

That is exactly US policy. Victory in any sphere is not the aim. Destablization is the aim so no regional power may gain hegemony over any given region. I doubt the boys fighting realize that and certainly the 100's of thousands of civilians killed or displaced don't.

 

Profiteering is the reason we create wars, and "manufacture consent".

 

And how do you profig the most if you make bombs and drones? That is simple, you would put the US in situations that they can't wind themselves out of. Maybe something like killing the leader of Iran's military would do perfectly. Oh wait...

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1 hour ago, Chazar said:

yes, and they had a  choice and they blew it............Japan had a  similar  choice

 

1 hour ago, Chazar said:

yes, and they had a  choice and they blew it............Japan had a  similar  choice

You might explain why the US had a right to start a war based on lies and false information?

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

I don't favor intervention. 

We are talking reality here, not what you favour.

33 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Iraq and Afghanistan for sure. Both are massive foreign policy failures. And the Afghan and allied control over territory continues to drop to the point where the Pentagon is no longer even trying to access it, or use that as any sort of metric. 

 

In Iraq, due to one blunder after another, the US will be asked to leave soon. Trillions of dollars later. Hundreds of thousands of lives later. Pure US hubris. Pure GOP ignorance. Pure nonsense. Get out now. 

Cut the taxpayer's (who will never complain even one peep) losses. 

I may raise a few eyebrows here and perhaps pop up some red flags somewhere else ....but it was far more peaceful,  for the rest of the word at least, before they threw Saddam out from power (for his oil WMD).......or maybe I am wrong of course ????

 

...on the other hand, perhaps H.E. the Donald has a point when he wants to leave some of these troubled nations like Israel, the Golfe, in the Middle East and elsewhere, to solve out their issues themselves and learn to keep their mouths shut....or does he not ? ?

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1 minute ago, observer90210 said:

I may raise a few eyebrows here and perhaps pop up some red flags somewhere else ....but it was far more peaceful for the rest of the word at least, before they threw Saddam out from power (for his oil WMD)...

No, that's a fact.

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2 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

I am not, was not a supporter of Iraq war, and favor total withdraw, but who determined the war was "illegal", who determines if a war is legal for the United States? 

Type "was the war in Iraq illegal" into google. 

 

Many actions break international law. You can't just haul off and bomb a school full of children for example. But, the US is its own court says the petro dollar. Why do you think we are so nice to Saudi Arabia? Hint: Saudi Arabia agreed to trade oil for dollars. 

 

Comical.

 

I most certainly am glad I am not from a clueless country who must come crying and begging if there is a major problem.

 

2 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Comical.

 

I most certainly am glad I am not from a clueless country who must come crying and begging if there is a major problem.

 

What country are you talking about?

The US military are like cockroaches.....once you have them you can never get rid of them. It is high time that this imperialist power was brought to heel. Time of the EU leaders to stand up and say 'no more'.

The US brought democracy to Iraq as

promised, but now they don't want to

respect it.

How ironic.

4 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

The US military are like cockroaches.....once you have them you can never get rid of them. It is high time that this imperialist power was brought to heel. Time of the EU leaders to stand up and say 'no more'.

Yeah, thinking the same, but choosing between evil and other evils that I whould call Russia or China, then what to choose? 

 

If even George W Bush still run the office, we will choose USA any day, but with Trump? I am in deep doubt what would benefit us the best way. If we choose to be greedy, China and Russia would with no doubt be our best economic friends for the future. But I guess we will go down with the Stars and bangers with the flag high. 

4 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

The US brought democracy to Iraq as

promised, but now they don't want to

respect it.

How ironic.

Did they ask for it in the first place?

5 hours ago, stevenl said:

For what? What has been achieved by foreign forces in Iraq?

A lot of dead children, men, women and their own soldiers killed by "friendly fire"? 

The entire world now knows US criminal behavior. No more prettying it up behind fancy talk of Democracy, human rights, etc. The US has become the #1 purveyor of terrorism.

13 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Did they ask for it in the first place?

I believe he was ironic. 

4 hours ago, jingjai9 said:

As an American it makes me so sad. The resentment against America in Iraq shouts out to me that we are an empire. To think my country was born from the revolutionary spirit and now it has deteriorated to this. It is not all Trump's fault. This is not a new thing and often only nuances exist between US presidents on foreign policy not a stark convrast. 

 

 

Agree, Trump doesn't look too good for a president, but to blame everything on him is a bit disingenuous.

3 minutes ago, Tagged said:

I believe he was ironic. 

No, he said that it was ironic that Iraq didn't respect the democracy that was given.

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I am confused. Wasn't the guy killed from Iran, who was in another country, Iraq

at the time of his death?  Is Iraq free of the IS gang?  Will the USA, just move next door to

Kuwait?  I guess I will never understand the ME..

Geezer

1 hour ago, giddyup said:

 

You might explain why the US had a right to start a war based on lies and false information?

And also why some still somehow believe it was justified regardless of the mountains of evidence proving otherwise.

1 hour ago, talahtnut said:

The US brought democracy to Iraq as

promised, but now they don't want to

respect it.

How ironic.

It would be hard to imagine a more ridiculous comment than that.

 

 

2 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

The US military are like cockroaches.....once you have them you can never get rid of them. It is high time that this imperialist power was brought to heel. Time of the EU leaders to stand up and say 'no more'.

The way for foreign countries hosting US forces to get rid of these forces is to get their government to ask the US government to withdraw its forces.  That is how it worked in the Philippines, and how it will work in Iraq and every other country that is hosting US forces, if they choose to ask.  Most of the countries hosting US forces seem keen on keeping, and in some cases increasing, these forces.

 

For the US to be an imperialist power it would need an empire, something like the British Empire and the Russian Empire (a.k.a. the Soviet Union).  What foreign lands does the US have this empire you imagine?

2 hours ago, talahtnut said:

The US brought democracy to Iraq as

promised, but now they don't want to

respect it.

How ironic.

Same as palestine. Demand elections but dont like the result.

27 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The way for foreign countries hosting US forces to get rid of these forces is to get their government to ask the US government to withdraw its forces.  That is how it worked in the Philippines, and how it will work in Iraq and every other country that is hosting US forces, if they choose to ask.  Most of the countries hosting US forces seem keen on keeping, and in some cases increasing, these forces.

 

For the US to be an imperialist power it would need an empire, something like the British Empire and the Russian Empire (a.k.a. the Soviet Union).  What foreign lands does the US have this empire you imagine?

Everywhere. Try doing anything trump doesnt like.