Hungarian pensioner dies in the cells at Suvarnabhumi as he awaits deportation

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

That is not a fact. What is a fact is that Klongprem is one of the worlds biggest hell holes.

 

Yawn... You seem to argue for the sake if it... that is now an established fact 

 

 

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yawn... You seem to argue for the sake if it... that is now an established fact 

 

 

Oh, I am sorry that I do not share you opinion. I will try my best to fall in line next time.

[richard_smith237]

18 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yawn... You seem to argue for the sake if it... that is now an established fact 

 

 

Oh, I am sorry that I do not share you opinion. I will try my best to fall in line next time.

 

We actually both share the same opinion in that we don’t know what happened, the deceased may well have informed the guards of his illness. 

 

You don’t seem to share the opinion that it's also possible he may not have, and you have argued against everyone else who has suggested anything other than ‘the deceased may not have informed the guards of his illness’, and then you have argued about what is an isn’t a fact, argued to the relevance of articles others have linked to, you’ve argued that detention is not the same as prison when it was indicated that guards may not be empathetic towards a detainee. 

 

You have argued against anyone who doesn’t fall exactly in line with your specific opinion when many of the points made by nearly everyone on this thread have been constructive and valid to the discussion. 

 

I get the impression that you’d argue against anyone who’s made exactly the same point you have [that immigration may be blameless if the deceased didn’t mention any illness] - which by the way, I have not argued against because that is also a valid opinion (but not the only one).

 

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

You don’t seem to share the opinion that it's also possible he may not have, and you have argued against everyone else who has suggested anything other than ‘the deceased may not have informed the guards of his illness’, and then you have argued about what is an isn’t a fact, argued to the relevance of articles others have linked to, you’ve argued that detention is not the same as prison when it was indicated that guards may not be empathetic towards a detainee. 

No, I have not. I have replied to all the confused faces, by re-quoting myself due to that I do not understand why my opinion confuse people and I should understand thiers. I also replied to quotes of my post and re-written or explained what might be one version. Never said anything against the opinion that the guards might not have given him after asking.

[jack7106]

6 hours ago, sallecc said:

I'm pleasantly surprised that immigration-loving weirdo Matzzon didn't jump in to bash this post, as he usually does...

 

IDC is terrible place with many sad stories (death of beaten USA overstayer comes to mind)... RIP Hungarian fella.

Love you work mate,

 

You actually beat me to it as I was with holding my opinions on his ongoing vexatious rants relating to anyone with a sensible opinion????????

He has been rather obsequious in relation to me, though has showed his usual nonsensical belligerent behaviour towards others relating to this link????????

 

I have actual first hand knowledge of this cesspool cockroach ridden place which is used by airline officials and private contractors who like to extract money from those that least can afford it. Welcome to Thailand – TIT????????

 

I was lucky enough to be given the only padded cell room with an actual door as protection from those who have been there for months and even years due to them having no access whatsoever to embassy help – this cost me a small fortune????????‍♂️????????

 

 Let’s just say I do not fly Thai airlines any more????????

 

 

[jack7106]

5 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

You are describing the IDC (correctly by all accounts)

 

But that is not where this happened.

 

Nor did it happen at a jail.

 

It happened in the detention room at Swampy airport.  From prior reports here,  large room with some bunk beds, food is provided (but there is a charge) and can also pay the guards to go get you things from airport shops. People are allowed to have their phones in there. I would assume, but do not know for sure, that they would also have their wallets/purses and possibly their carry on bags as well, this is a place people who have been refused entry are kept until they have a flight out. People have complained it is nto very clean but nothing I have ever heard makes it sound like prison conditions and certainly not like IDC (which is worse than any prison).

 

I have not previously heard of someone being taken there as part if a deportation before. Usually kept at IDC and then start to the airport and onto a flight.

 

There is no information whatsoever as to cause of death so no basis for speculating anything yet.  People do not die of diabetes in a night unless having a hypoglycemic reaction which would be likely only if insulin taken and then no food. There is no reason to think this applies, but then we really do not know.

Appreciate your well constructed feedback,

 

My first hand knowledge relates to the internal jail within Suvarnabhumi airport. I hope this clarifies the matter and thank you for your interest and feedback. All of my feedback relates to the internal jail privately contracted by AOT at Suvarnabhumi Airport????????????

 

This place makes Philippine jails , to which I’ve also been inside on a personal problematic level – look like you are in a Six star Seychelles resort????????‍♂️????????

 

The private security guards will only listen to you if you offer the money, otherwise they are deaf and mute to any requests whatsoever – this is how it works and people who have been there know this for a fact. I have seen medical requests due to health reasons refused on an ad hoc basis relative to the ability to access funds towards facilitating the private contractors????????

 

Take care and have a great day????????????

[jack7106]

5 hours ago, Salerno said:

Pic from 2015:

 

Pic from 2019:

Absolutely correct, the population whilst I was there were mainly African & Middle Eastern????????????

[Langkawee]

Thai love farang, it gets proven every day, what a beautiful World. 

[SupermarineS6B]

9 hours ago, jack7106 said:

First hand experience included along with graft/corruption and pay-as-you-go entitlements if you’re lucky enough to have any money. Many of the African detainees have been in there for well over six months and have no money to pay for a return airfare or money to provide for their phone/Internet access or decent eatable food.

They can only try and access the UNHCR which are about as useful as a cigarette tray on a motorbike – corruption extends extremely well into United Nations organisations.

From my experience NGO’s weren’t interested in helping them either - catch 22 position.

These unfortunate African nationalities have no representation whatsoever and are lucky if they are given a rice bowl and some water each day in absolutely cramped and filthy conditions – firsthand experience courtesy of Thai Airways who respond to valid criticism deplorably????????‍♂️????????????????????
I am grateful that Australia has an embassy that when needed in extreme circumstances will help their citizens escape fifth world conditions????????????

Same with the British Embassy........ A bit like calling the speaking clock while wearing a watch........ I got to the point where i asked the senior guy at the Embassy what it feels like to be totally powerless ?    ( No response )   Typical.....

[phuketrichard]

so its been a week,  how did he die?