UK plans to introduce border controls on EU goods after post-Brexit transition

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, codebunny said:

No that video is lying.

You have Dan Hannan saying it won't threaten our place in the single market, and the rest is about Norway and Switzerland.

Another lie is...

There's no such thing as a hard brexit, there is only brexit or no brexit, and people voted for brexit.

Oh the video is lying.

Ah right gotcha now.

So when Farage says "We will be just like Norway" what he was actually saying is "We will be nothing like Norway".

[codebunny]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Cant find them.

Please list them again for me.

On another thread, use your evident computer operating capability to find them, I'm not for hire.

[codebunny]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Oh the video is lying.

Ah right gotcha now.

So when Farage says "We will be just like Norway" what he was actually saying is "We will be nothing like Norway".

No, when the video says Leavers wanted to stay inside the single market, the video is lying. Is it clear?

[codebunny]

4 minutes ago, samran said:

What were you saying about ‘dreary repetitive toss’?

Self-awareness is the first step to recovery.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, codebunny said:

Remain lied to you, and you simply refuse to see it. Why would you vote for your own economic future to be stolen from you by voting to remain in the EU?!

In what way was the UK's economic future being stolen?

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, codebunny said:

No, when the video says Leavers wanted to stay inside the single market, the video is lying. Is it clear?

Are Norway and Switzerland in the single market?

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, codebunny said:

On another thread, use your evident computer operating capability to find them, I'm not for hire.

Nope still can't find them.

Are you sure you posted the list?

[samran]

11 minutes ago, codebunny said:

You sound a bit paranoid, tbh. If you want to make a show of your identity in public, it shouldn't be a surprise if it's referred to sometimes, but that's not what was happening here.

My kids are the same as you, and wouldn't encourage them to make a big show of it. 

I’m not making a big show of it. Just pointing out that is the modus operandi of certain posters here to bring it up. I went full disclosure on them cause I knew they couldn’t help themselves in showing their true colours. Sorry if you can’t see that. 
 

When they weren’t snorting and sniggering at islamaphobic posts, these posters screamed that I hated the British when I disagreed on economic and trade issues and mentioned nothing of their nationality. 
 

It’s a web board and it is fun jousting on the issues. Sometimes it helps to know who I’m jousting with...

Edited February 11, 2020 by samran

[samran]

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh the video is lying.

Ah right gotcha now.

So when Farage says "We will be just like Norway" what he was actually saying is "We will be nothing like Norway".

Yep, No deal now is ‘Australian trade arrangements’. 

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The government said among the benefits of implementing border controls

creating additional paper work, additional delivery delays, additional costs to the goods....and so forth but all are BENEFITS from Brexit

[JonnyF]

38 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Still cant face it can you?

You were lied to.

Now this is what I dont understand with Brexiteers. Most people having been lied to would be angry with the people who had deceived them into voting a certain way. Especially when faced with the prospect of huge damage being done to the country they profess to love. Hurting your own country is not the actions of a patriot. Quite the opposite in fact.

You guys have been fooled. Duped. Conned. Sold a pup.

However you all seem to have doubled down on Brexit. Refusing to acknowledge that what you all thought you were getting is not what is being delivered. 

800,000 job losses on a vote to leave.

Emergency budget.

Crash in house prices.

Gonorrhea outbreaks.

Planes grounded.

10% drop in GDP.

 

It was you that was lied to. Leavers have the facts to prove it since none of the above happened. But you can't admit it because you're a salty loser. Still crying that you've been exposed as a vocal, bitter minority that lost democratic votes time and time again until even you had no more arguments and nowhere left to hide. So now instead of manning up to defeat and getting on with it, you snipe from the shadows and wish failure on the UK. Pretty pathetic tbh. 

 

[puck2]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

And back at you, the EU are looking to replace the British cash cow and good luck with that.

The basic element of politics is BELIEF.

 

That means you can believe that there is a second universe, but you cannot improve it. You cannot improve that the EU will need another "cash cow". I cannot improve the opposite.

 

So, let's wait and see whose belief will be confirmed by facts.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

800,000 job losses on a vote to leave.

Emergency budget.

Crash in house prices.

Gonorrhea outbreaks.

Planes grounded.

10% drop in GDP.

 

It was you that was lied to. Leavers have the facts to prove it since none of the above happened. But you can't admit it because you're a salty loser. Still crying that you've been exposed as a vocal, bitter minority that lost democratic votes time and time again until even you had no more arguments and nowhere left to hide. So now instead of manning up to defeat and getting on with it, you snipe from the shadows and wish failure on the UK. Pretty pathetic tbh. 

 

We have not left yet.

We are still in the transition period.

That odd situation where we are still in the EU but have no say in what happens in the EU. Taking back control. Yeah right.

[DannyCarlton]

4 hours ago, evadgib said:

17.4M & they're perfectly glad that they did so.

Do we need yet another brexit thread? Putting fires out all day is getting monotonous ????

And more and more difficult. If this is their plan, it will be nessesary to have the same controls with the border of ROI. What was it Boris said? "No, no, never ever....never". Time to find a suitable ditch to lie in Boris...long overdue.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, damascase said:

Yeah sure, the old game of shooting the messenger...........

And the message....his UN Law of the Sea claims are false.

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, puck2 said:

The basic element of politics is BELIEF.

 

That means you can believe that there is a second universe, but you cannot improve it. You cannot improve that the EU will need another "cash cow". I cannot improve the opposite.

 

So, let's wait and see whose belief will be confirmed by facts.

The U.K.’s impending exit means that the bloc will lose one of its key net contributors — when a country’s payments into the EU outweigh its revenues from it. This is set to leave a shortfall of about 7.8 billion pounds ($10 billion) every year, in net terms, in the EU’s next budget. And the question of who will fill that gap is stressing out several member states.

 

 

Media reports earlier this week suggested Germany’s contribution could rise from 15 billion euros in 2020 to 33 billion euros in 2027 and that the Netherlands would also be paying 75% more to the EU, as a result of the U.K.’s departure.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/30/brexit-europe-countries-may-have-to-pay-more-into-the-eu-budget.html

 

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The fishing rights were sold and are owned by the foreigners who bought them, there rights of ownership are protected under UK laws.

 

Nobody in the UK is getting fishing rights back, or at least not unless they buy them.

I was interested in your claims so did some research and came across the following...

 

In England, the UK’s second largest fishing nation, three Rich List families control around 30% of the quota.

A further 49% is ultimately held by Dutch, Spanish and Icelandic interests who have bought up English vessels and quota.

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I was interested in your claims so did some research and came across the following...

 

In England, the UK’s second largest fishing nation, three Rich List families control around 30% of the quota.

A further 49% is ultimately held by Dutch, Spanish and Icelandic interests who have bought up English vessels and quota.

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/

We're out. These "quotas" are from the EU and should no longer apply. These "Codfathers" rich listers can be pressured to scale down their control of previous "quotas" with compulsory legislation, if necessary. A good topic for debate in the HoC.   

[samran]

15 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I was interested in your claims so did some research and came across the following...

 

In England, the UK’s second largest fishing nation, three Rich List families control around 30% of the quota.

A further 49% is ultimately held by Dutch, Spanish and Icelandic interests who have bought up English vessels and quota.

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/

It would be interesting to know how many of these rich list families were brexit backers...

[samran]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

We're out. These "quotas" are from the EU and should no longer apply. These "Codfathers" rich listers can be pressured to scale down their control of previous "quotas" with compulsory legislation, if necessary. A good topic for debate in the HoC.   

Well done, you've just made millions, perhaps, billions of pounds of fishing rights vanish in a puff of smoke. Talk about wealth destruction. The owners of these fishing quotas aren't going to let that happen too easily. If it won't be under EU law, it will be under UK law, and they'll do most anything to preserve the value of their investments.

 

Quota's aren't going anywhere. The tighter they are, the more valuable they are.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, samran said:

It would be interesting to know how many of these rich list families were brexit backers...

Probably all of them if they believed the leave campaign.

Although now, after all the revelations about being sold out, they probably wish they hadn't.

[JonnyF]

30 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

We have not left yet.

We are still in the transition period.

That odd situation where we are still in the EU but have no say in what happens in the EU. Taking back control. Yeah right.

A lot of those predictions were on a vote to leave, not actually leaving but then you already know that. After we've left you'll be saying "give it 5 years for the effects of leaving to take hold". You'll never admit Project Fear was nonsense and you were lied to and fell for it hook like and sinker.

 

It seems you've adopted the default Scottish position following your inability to win something yourselves i.e. cheer on (what you obviously see as) the opponents of the English ????.

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, samran said:

Well done, you've just made millions, perhaps, billions of pounds of fishing rights vanish in a puff of smoke. Talk about wealth destruction. The owners of these fishing quotas aren't going to let that happen too easily. If it won't be under EU law, it will be under UK law, and they'll do most anything to preserve the value of their investments.

 

Quota's aren't going anywhere. The tighter they are, the more valuable they are.

It would probably be EU Law as it was under the CFP. Not wealth destruction, more like redistribution. "Quotas" were set by the EU and they are going.  

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, samran said:

It would be interesting to know how many of these rich list families were brexit backers...

Yes, it would. Probably remainers though.

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Probably all of them if they believed the leave campaign.

Although now, after all the revelations about being sold out, they probably wish they hadn't.

I think your'e getting it all arm about face as usual.

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

We're out. These "quotas" are from the EU and should no longer apply. These "Codfathers" rich listers can be pressured to scale down their control of previous "quotas" with compulsory legislation, if necessary. A good topic for debate in the HoC.   

The percentage share for each Member State was agreed by Member States when quotas were first introduced for the fish stocks concerned, and the share-out between Member States stays the same each year. 

 

https://marinedevelopments.blog.gov.uk/2017/12/05/december-council-eu-fish-quotas-cfp-uk/

 

One assumes the same rules apply to non member EU countries that can also access fish stocks e.g. Norway. No doubt will be a major challenge for UK to renegotiate its quota allocations to it's advantage.

[JustAnotherHun]

4 hours ago, codebunny said:

The UK is primarily a customer of the EU, and the customer is always right.

A customer? Really?

 

47% of all british exports were sent to the EU (2017). If there will be tax borders from next year on, the british economy will be hurt more than the EU's (for the moment).

 

But a free trade agreement with Thailand surely will solve the problem.

[Moonlover]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Imaging you have free trade for decades and then someone introduces harsh border controls and they call it progress.

 

Someone should have mentioned that in 2016. How many people would have voted for that version of Brexit?

Intelligent adults in the UK really should have been able to work that out for themselves. Unfortunately not enough of those intelligent adults got off their backsides to go and vote.

 

They reap what they didn't even bother to sow. So be it!

[Rookiescot]

33 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

A lot of those predictions were on a vote to leave, not actually leaving but then you already know that. After we've left you'll be saying "give it 5 years for the effects of leaving to take hold". You'll never admit Project Fear was nonsense and you were lied to and fell for it hook like and sinker.

 

It seems you've adopted the default Scottish position following your inability to win something yourselves i.e. cheer on (what you obviously see as) the opponents of the English ????.

Only 11 months to wait.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

OMG, I am not going through all this again.

Well you are, you just need to keep denying the Brexit failures as they arise.