University, high school students rise up for democracy

[Assurancetourix]

3 minutes ago, dbrenn said:

There was a general election. Prayuth won it.

Everyone, including the blind and the deaf, knows how;
I don't call it a real vote when 250 people are appointed before this one

[spiekerjozef]

I just wait for a reply from TAT to explain the situation...

[rkidlad]

2 minutes ago, dbrenn said:

There was a general election. Prayuth won it. Why does the liberal left always try to ignore democracy when their preferred party loses?

 

At least in Thailand, the parties are different, unlike in the west where most of them are identical liberal left globalist clones. Is that what you call 'democracy'?

I'm not liberal left. 

 

Prayut won the election? You do know there are documents that state the army was paying IOs to spread positive information about themselves and Prayut and Prawit, etc. online. The army is paid for by the tax payers. Tax payers were unknowingly (and certainly unwillingly) paying for Prayut's side to be promoted before the elections. Remind me again - which other parties were allowed to use tax payers' money to promote themselves?  

[Assurancetourix]

Just now, dbrenn said:

Bill Clinton was doing funny things with cigars in the Oval office,

Compare some blowjobs with imprisonment for drug delivery.
There is only one Thai who can dare ...

 

Nothing scares you except maybe the ghosts?

[faraday]

1 minute ago, dbrenn said:

Bill Clinton was doing funny things with cigars in the Oval office, putting himself open to blackmail in the process. He got let off. MPs have been let off for fiddling their expenses (embezzlement) too. Theses are cases that we knew about. Might there also be cases that we don't know about?

Very different from being a convicted heroin smuggler who served time.

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[dbrenn]

3 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

Everyone, including the blind and the deaf, knows how;
I don't call it a real vote when 250 people are appointed before this one

That FF guy is an oligarch. Money talks at the voting booths....

[faraday]

This thread is being diverted.....

 

 

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, dbrenn said:

That FF guy is an oligarch. Money talks at the voting booths....

You have documents to prove this? I have documents to prove what I'm saying. 

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, webfact said:

Administrators of Satriwithaya School in Bangkok’s Phra Nakhon district barred students from holding further political gatherings on the grounds, so the youngster instead took their signs decrying “dictatorship” to the Democracy Monument.

 

One of the group’s leaders said they represent the new generation, which supports democracy, and do not want their political views suppressed.

Times are a changing!

Go students go!

[dbrenn]

54 minutes ago, faraday said:

Why then are many people dissatisfied?

 

What in heavens name are you chuntering on about with the 'liberal left'? There are huge difference in Conservative or Labour manifestos.

 

Are you one of these alleged 'paid supporters'?

Tell me the differences in policy between the Conservatives and Labour? Both metropolitan liberal left. 

[BobBKK]

I salute them!  they are the future once the Dinosaurs have gone.

[TheAppletons]

14 minutes ago, dbrenn said:

Tell me the differences in policy between the Conservatives and Labour? Both metropolitan liberal left. 

 

  Start a thread - in the "home country" sub-forum - about the topic and maybe someone will discuss it with you.

 

  The rest of us reading and discussing Thai students protesting against the Thai ruling junta couldn't care less about UK politics.  Or Brexit.  Or how the Sunday roast at (______) is nothing like the one your Mum used to cook.

[faraday]

18 minutes ago, dbrenn said:

Tell me the differences in policy between the Conservatives and Labour? Both metropolitan liberal left. 

Rubbish.

 

And please try to remain on topic, not diverting the thread.

[spidermike007]

The youth is the only hope this nation has. The older folks here are totally apathetic about politics, despite how much the army has harmed them, and their quality of life. Perhaps with the decimation of the tourism industry, that the hapless army has presided over, and now the corona precipitated drop, some changes might take place. They are long overdue. The army really overstayed their time, by stealing the last election, and the move they pulled in the Senate was heinous. They must go. They must be shown the door. They are absolutely despised by the masses, and especially the youth. 

[FarFlungFalang]

28 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The youth is the only hope this nation has. The older folks here are totally apathetic about politics, despite how much the army has harmed them, and their quality of life. Perhaps with the decimation of the tourism industry, that the hapless army has presided over, and now the corona precipitated drop, some changes might take place. They are long overdue. The army really overstayed their time, by stealing the last election, and the move they pulled in the Senate was heinous. They must go. They must be shown the door. They are absolutely despised by the masses, and especially the youth. 

Remember Prayuth and his mates were young once and the future of Thailand and look how that went.Don’t you think other young people are not being groomed to achieve a militarily bright future for those that will inherit the vast wealth and do anything to protect it?Don’t underestimate the power of rinse and repeat.

[spidermike007]

3 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Remember Prayuth and his mates were young once and the future of Thailand and look how that went.

Things have changed alot. I am quite impressed with a portion of the Thai youth. They are passionate, many are activists, and the future does indeed lie with them. I am hopeful. Nothing in common with heinous and harmful individuals like Prayuth, Prawit, and the top 100 generals. Nothing. 

[FarFlungFalang]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Things have changed alot. I am quite impressed with a portion of the Thai youth. They are passionate, many are activists, and the future does indeed lie with them. I am hopeful. Nothing in common with heinous and harmful individuals like Prayuth, Prawit, and the top 100 generals. Nothing. 

I watch the Rap against dictatorship vid I recommend watching it all the way through then try to understand the significance of body hanging from the tree and beating of the body with the chair.This is where this current uprising may well be heading for.They may achieve their goal but some are likely to pay with their lives starting with the passionate youth in the rap song posted earlier in this thread.

[spidermike007]

1 minute ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I watch the Rap against dictatorship vid I recommend watching it all the way through then try to understand the significance of body hanging from the tree and beating of the body with the chair.This is where this current uprising may well be heading for.They may achieve their goal but some are likely to pay with their lives starting with the passionate youth in the rap song posted earlier in this thread.

There is no question that there would be blood. But, if millions of Thais rise up, there will be little the hapless army can do. It is about somehow engaging the apathetic masses. This massive drop in tourism could be the key. Thais do respond to money, and a dramatic drop in their livelihoods, could wreak a massive toll on the army. They certainly deserve that, and the Thai people deserve better than what they currently have, in terms of leadership, which is next to nothing. 

[CGW]

44 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The older folks here are totally apathetic about politics, despite how much the army has harmed them, and their quality of life.

Thats simply not true, the old folk where I am are anything but "apathetic", if they had been as outspoken 50 years ago as they are now, they simply wouldn't be here! Indoctrination and iron fasted administration has kept these "people" in power, it helps if you keep the majority in abject poverty as well.

It's easy to sit back and comment how they should rise up and take power back, you don't have to look far back in history to see what has happened. 

[ChipButty]

Student uprisings dont usually end well in Thailand, Good luck

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, CGW said:

Thats simply not true, the old folk where I am are anything but "apathetic", if they had been as outspoken 50 years ago as they are now, they simply wouldn't be here! Indoctrination and iron fasted administration has kept these "people" in power, it helps if you keep the majority in abject poverty as well.

It's easy to sit back and comment how they should rise up and take power back, you don't have to look far back in history to see what has happened. 

No doubt there will be consequences. The army will not want to give up there power, and massive fortunes that are being made. But, change is a coming. It is inevitable. This hapless army has not worn their power lightly. Their incompetence, hubris, arrogance, racism, and ignorance, knows no bounds. They must go. And they will be forced out. Just wait and see. 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, faraday said:

Rubbish.

 

And please try to remain on topic, not diverting the thread.

He is just a troll.

 

Ignore his stupid post or put him on your ignore list.

[rkidlad]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

Student uprisings dont usually end well in Thailand, Good luck

They certainly didn't in the past, but we live in an age of the internet and social media now. Can you imagine the world's reaction if they witnessed the things the army, etc. did in the past happening now. People are very visceral and would go nuts. Other countries would have no choice but to condemn and sanction heavily even if they really didn't care. 

 

The days of hanging students and urinating on their dead bodies in public is over. You can't get away with that anymore. It will be a new type of warfare where you have to be smart. And these young folks are very smart. They also believe in their cause. Soldiers given orders often don't. 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Remember Prayuth and his mates were young once and the future of Thailand and look how that went.Don’t you think other young people are not being groomed to achieve a militarily bright future for those that will inherit the vast wealth and do anything to protect it?Don’t underestimate the power of rinse and repeat.

Of course Prayuth and his mates were young once. However in their youth they were in the military and many have known no other job.

 

Look around when jobs are on offer and see who was in which class in the military or the police and who gets promoted and gets a plum job. 

[CGW]

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

No doubt there will be consequences. The army will not want to give up there power, and massive fortunes that are being made. But, change is a coming. It is inevitable. This hapless army has not worn their power lightly. Their incompetence, hubris, arrogance, racism, and ignorance, knows no bounds. They must go. And they will be forced out. Just wait and see. 

I'm waiting and I'm sure you are correct, my point was that the old people are not content, they want change, but they know full well there will be consequences, just as there have been in the past, "collateral damage" I believe is how it is referred to by Generals sending the troops into battle - easy for them, not so easy if there is a high risk of you being part of the "collateral"

I have witnessed many changes here, Thaksin coming into power was huge, but "they" wouldn't allow the money (power) to continue to go to "others"!

If you have read Thai history you will know that the country has revolted before, many years ago, certain persons had to leave, sadly they have learnt a lot of lessons over the years, it is no longer as "easy"!

 

It's difficult to express an opinion on here due to the fact that we don't have freedom of speech due to......................... you know what, so will leave it at that 

[CGW]

5 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

They also believe in their cause. Soldiers given orders often don't. 

I agree with that, in the past their have been instances where there has been "insubordination" in fact at one time the Police and sections of the military were at loggerheads, that friction appears to have disappeared, deals have been done I guess, people replaced with those with more 'consistent" views!

[Isaanbiker]

My ex student sent me this photo, taken by her near Thammasat university. The other photo is on the net and it seems there'll be more and more. Great. 

[FarFlungFalang]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

There is no question that there would be blood. But, if millions of Thais rise up, there will be little the hapless army can do. It is about somehow engaging the apathetic masses. This massive drop in tourism could be the key. Thais do respond to money, and a dramatic drop in their livelihoods, could wreak a massive toll on the army. They certainly deserve that, and the Thai people deserve better than what they currently have, in terms of leadership, which is next to nothing. 

Thaksin was quite successful at engaging the "apathetic" masses by redistributing the money going into the pockets of the ruling elite but that was eventually snuffed out.It's a big ask to make any meaningful change in this country look what happened to the latest effort by Thanathorn,split asunder and now a splintered group of mostly greedy individual scrabbling to get a piece of the trough.There will be no blood and there will be no uprising because those leading any uprising will be gaoled or disappeared along with any uprising.They dealing with relentless ruthlessness that will stop at absolutely nothing to protect their sanctified ways.

[rkidlad]

15 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Thaksin was quite successful at engaging the "pathetic" masses by redistributing the money going into the pockets of the ruling elite but that was eventually snuffed out.It's a big ask to make any meaningful change in this country look what happened to the latest effort by Thanathorn,split asunder and now a splintered group of mostly greedy individual scrabbling to get a piece of the trough.There will be no blood and there will be no uprising because those leading any uprising will be gaoled or disappeared along with any uprising.They dealing with relentless ruthlessness that will stop at absolutely nothing to protect their sanctified ways.

I disagree. Look at the young guy who got arrested and held in custody for breaking the 'pizza law'. There was a huge uproar online, people made a 'go fund me' page and now he's out on bail. That would never have happened a few years ago. Public pressure forced the government's hand. 

[dbrenn]

56 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

My ex student sent me this photo, taken by her near Thammasat university. The other photo is on the net and it seems there'll be more and more. Great. 

Poor things. They'll be tolerated for a while, then spaded under like so many before them. I do hope that they go home before they get shot.

 

Keeping things as they are is a much better option than pretending that Thailand can be like the west. It needs a strong and authoritarian government to remain peaceful, as we've seen in recent years.

 

I'm glad that the Thai government understands this, and ignores preaching from the meddling west - who pretend that they are democracies while giving their electorate nothing to choose from.