DannyCarlton Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, cmarshall said: Maybe, but within China the huge difference between the infection rates in Wuhan and Chongqing aren't due to cultural differences, but to how quickly the local government imposed quarantine and other containment measures. I was talking about Thailand not China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmarshall Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said: I was talking about Thailand not China. Right and I was talking about how weak cultural differences are to explain differential rates of infection for which the experiences of Wuhan and Chongqing serve as a natural experiment. When people are trying to explain something they don't understand they naturally focus on aspects like cultural differences which are at least observable. But often that explanation doesn't hold up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DannyCarlton Posted March 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, cmarshall said: Right and I was talking about how weak cultural differences are to explain differential rates of infection for which the experiences of Wuhan and Chongqing serve as a natural experiment. When people are trying to explain something they don't understand they naturally focus on aspects like cultural differences which are at least observable. But often that explanation doesn't hold up. I don't understand???? How arrogant and ignorant are you????? Covid- 19 is primarily passed on by contact. Understand? The question was asked "why has Thailand such low rates of transmission (R0)" Still with me? I answered by pointing out that Thailand's culture means that there are unusually low levels of personal contact here. Agreed? I also qualified that by pointing out that the country with one of the highest rates of transmission (Italy) has a high level of personal contact due to it's social culture. Capiche? Weak cultural differences? Very strong cultural differences, particularly when considering the differences in transmission rates of Covid-19. Clear? Or are you going to continue doing your keyboard warrior thing and feebly trying to rip peoples posts apart and personally insult them merely because you didn't have the brains to think of the explanation? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lacessit Posted March 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, UbonThani said: Corona is a con job. Swine flu killed 575k. It won't be a con job if you smoke, drink,are obese and unfit, plus eat a lot of processed foods. The odds are pretty good it will kill you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lacessit Posted March 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: A lot less personal contact here. Less than any country I've ever visited. No shaking hands, a wai at a respectful distance and no public hugging. Of countries that I've visited, the opposite end of the spectrum would be......Italy. Valid point, although I suspect the Thai authorities are playing fast and loose with the number of cases. I understand there is still plenty of close contact in the massage shops and karaokes in every Thai city, so perhaps only the virtuous will survive. Pattaya looks like an ideal breeding ground, if there are any tourists left. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Chazar said: 1918 when healthcare was not as advanced True. Tablets and needle out in 3 or 4 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, UbonThani said: True. Tablets and needle out in 3 or 4 months. Vaccine available to general public in 12 to 18 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 1FinickyOne Posted March 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/11/2020 at 4:56 PM, Brunolem said: MERS and SARS didn't put entire countries in lockdown. At some point, things may go back to same old, but not right away. you need but open your eyes to see that this is different... stock markets crashing, economies are and will be contracting, sporting events are being played w/o audience [who will buy those expensive hotdogs and beer? - and how many people will lose their jobs] Chiang Mai is a ghost town and a freind just emailed that NYC is the same... the world will never be the same.. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, Lacessit said: Valid point, although I suspect the Thai authorities are playing fast and loose with the number of cases. I understand there is still plenty of close contact in the massage shops and karaokes in every Thai city, so perhaps only the virtuous will survive. Pattaya looks like an ideal breeding ground, if there are any tourists left. in Pattaya I won't be having any massages or other stuff for a month or more, see how it goes. Just wondering how the girls in town will cope when it truly will be very quiet. They are already saying no customer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, scubascuba3 said: in Pattaya I won't be having any massages or other stuff for a month or more, see how it goes. Just wondering how the girls in town will cope when it truly will be very quiet. They are already saying no customer I'm 65 and have pre existing medical conditions. Had to go into hospital this week for an appendectomy. If I haven't caught Covid-19 from that excursion I now fully intend to exercise self isolation until this has passed, however long that may be. I will not be leaving my house or recieving visitors. SPOC - the wife. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said: I'm 65 and have pre existing medical conditions. Had to go into hospital this week for an appendectomy. If I haven't caught Covid-19 from that excursion I now fully intend to exercise self isolation until this has passed, however long that may be. I will not be leaving my house or recieving visitors. SPOC - the wife. i think self isolation is sensible until this blows over. I'm not touching anyone, i cancelled a Bangkok trip yesterday, playing golf today, just avoiding all close contact. Can't avoid supermarkets, I've stopped buying loose food like meat and pastries, the other stuff you just hope factories have enough gloves and masks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmarshall Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 59 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: I don't understand???? How arrogant and ignorant are you????? Covid- 19 is primarily passed on by contact. Understand? The question was asked "why has Thailand such low rates of transmission (R0)" Still with me? I answered by pointing out that Thailand's culture means that there are unusually low levels of personal contact here. Agreed? I also qualified that by pointing out that the country with one of the highest rates of transmission (Italy) has a high level of personal contact due to it's social culture. Capiche? Weak cultural differences? Very strong cultural differences, particularly when considering the differences in transmission rates of Covid-19. Clear? Or are you going to continue doing your keyboard warrior thing and feebly trying to rip peoples posts apart and personally insult them merely because you didn't have the brains to think of the explanation? I can see that you have convinced yourself, but not me. I guess that the difference between "plausible" and "supported by evidence" escapes you. Enjoy your certainty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, cmarshall said: I can see that you have convinced yourself, but not me. I guess that the difference between "plausible" and "supported by evidence" escapes you. Enjoy your certainty. I offered a plausible explanation, supported by evidence, but never claimed it as a fact. Just a theory. My personal opinion , based on infection rates in other countries, is that Thailand has i.r.o 100,000 people infected with Covid-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmarshall Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: I offered a plausible explanation, supported by evidence, but never claimed it as a fact. Just a theory. My personal opinion , based on infection rates in other countries, is that Thailand has i.r.o 100,000 people infected with Covid-19. So you aggressively support two theories, that lack evidence and contradict each other, apparently without your noticing? Thanks for sharing your "personal opinions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: I offered a plausible explanation, supported by evidence, but never claimed it as a fact. Just a theory. My personal opinion , based on infection rates in other countries, is that Thailand has i.r.o 100,000 people infected with Covid-19. So you like guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, cmarshall said: So you aggressively support two theories, that lack evidence and contradict each other, apparently without your noticing? Thanks for sharing your "personal opinions." No aggression at all, only in your imagination. One, a theory I postulated, the other my personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, UbonThani said: So you like guessing You have to admit I'm good at it though! 555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, UbonThani said: Corona is a con job. Swine flu killed 575k. I guess you are part of the climate change deniers. Those who dismiss the virus as a hoax share the same profile and use the same kind of "arguments". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, kenk24 said: you need but open your eyes to see that this is different... stock markets crashing, economies are and will be contracting, sporting events are being played w/o audience [who will buy those expensive hotdogs and beer? - and how many people will lose their jobs] Chiang Mai is a ghost town and a freind just emailed that NYC is the same... the world will never be the same.. Yes...things are getting very nasty on the economic side...and the recession hasn't even started! Lockdown in a globalised economy is a recipe for disaster, maybe even a death sentence. There is a lot of pain coming...and not from the virus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Brunolem said: I guess you are part of the climate change deniers. Those who dismiss the virus as a hoax share the same profile and use the same kind of "arguments". They all hate Greta Thunberg too. Check out threads on her. Same posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaanbiker Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 The reality is different/. There must be countless virus infected people in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/10/2020 at 1:29 PM, Brunolem said: All this to say that the most likely scenario is that 2020 will be a lost year...at best! what lies beyond this is world war III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LomSak27 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 But the Flagellants, with their visions and their superstitions, their debauches and their discipline, their idealism and their brutality, provide a uniquely revealing insight into the mind of medieval post modern man when confronted with overwhelming and inexplicable catastrophe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Saltire Posted March 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, DannyCarlton said: I don't understand???? How arrogant and ignorant are you????? Covid- 19 is primarily passed on by contact. Understand? The question was asked "why has Thailand such low rates of transmission (R0)" Still with me? I answered by pointing out that Thailand's culture means that there are unusually low levels of personal contact here. Agreed? I also qualified that by pointing out that the country with one of the highest rates of transmission (Italy) has a high level of personal contact due to it's social culture. Capiche? Weak cultural differences? Very strong cultural differences, particularly when considering the differences in transmission rates of Covid-19. Clear? Or are you going to continue doing your keyboard warrior thing and feebly trying to rip peoples posts apart and personally insult them merely because you didn't have the brains to think of the explanation? I agree, it's maybe not a big factor but I definitely see your point. After reading the other day how to socially distance yourself, it actually crossed my mind that this already comes naturally to many Thai. Apart from a recent trip to Makro, I can't recall the last Thai (other than my wife and her family) that I got closer than 6 feet to. Trying to get an Italian to not touch you would be like asking a Thai for a special discount for foreigners ???? Edited March 13, 2020 by Saltire 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Saltire Posted March 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2020 I live in a small rural village (as opposed to a posh one with villas and swimming pools) and when all this started I figured rather smugly that if anywhere was low risk it would be right where I am. However I can already see things changing here, mainly due the economic pressures accross the country. There are very few locals here between the ages of roughly 18 and 40, due to the majority having to leave the village for find work when school is over. At Songkran we see very many new faces, cars from Bangkok and other regions, but even though it is not quite Songkran yet, already the restaurant and hotel workers are already home in fairly large numbers. A few homes have been extended and sales of tents are up. Some neighbours are genuinely worried thats some will carry the infection. Depending on how it develops, the more isolated communities like mine may move up the risk scale. The families the wife has talked too tell tales of how it is no longer easy to get a job in what were previously the bread and butter industries such as tourism and hospitality. And I should add the medical facilities here are well below par. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, NCC1701A said: what lies beyond this is world war III. Nah, I'm thinking more like WW Z ..... watched it again last night, Brad was great as always. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, cmarshall said: I can see that you have convinced yourself, but not me. Why not? He made an excellent point. Are you so self righteousn that you would just reject it out of hand with insults because it doesnt suit your personal weltanshauung?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Brunolem said: I guess you are part of the climate change deniers. Those who dismiss the virus as a hoax share the same profile and use the same kind of "arguments". There are no climate change deniers. There are only cultists led by the nose by anti capitalist luddites, and normal folks like me who question why I need to go back to medieval times to solve a problem that folks cant demonstrate exists.....the wordl is still here Al, still here. Similarly, I see the virus as a problem blown way the hell out of proportion for political ends. So maybe expand your generalizations a bit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saengd Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Brunolem said: I guess you are part of the climate change deniers. Those who dismiss the virus as a hoax share the same profile and use the same kind of "arguments". Amen bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Nyezhov said: There are no climate change deniers. There are only cultists led by the nose by anti capitalist luddites, and normal folks like me who question why I need to go back to medieval times to solve a problem that folks cant demonstrate exists.....the wordl is still here Al, still here. Similarly, I see the virus as a problem blown way the hell out of proportion for political ends. So maybe expand your generalizations a bit. I've sort of assumed the virus is real and about to kill us all ...... but the governments think we will panic if they tell us how many are really dying. That's the great thing about conspiracy theories, you can spin them either way. Edited March 13, 2020 by BritManToo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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