Trump suspends all travel from Europe to the United States to fight coronavirus

[riclag]

6 hours ago, Berkshire said:

On a more somber note, the stock market now more accurately reflects the kind of job the POTUS has been doing these past three years. 

 It's apparent and very obvious you don't know what your talking about! 

"The coronavirus outbreak and the fear that it could become a pandemic is crushing stocks. The Dow fell 1,000 points in back-to-back days in what it the worst week for stocks since the 2008 financial crisis, leading many to wonder if this could become a full-on stock market crash".

https://www.thestreet.com/markets/history-of-stock-market-crashes-14702941

[spidermike007]

52 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

Us is #8 now, but will be #5 soon. And possibly #4. The extent to which this stunningly incompetent administration is handling this, they could become #2 quite easily. Now, wouldn't that be something? And they always claim to be #1! I have long been saying the US health care system is nowhere near as good as they like to say. However, there are alot of very good, and very earnest doctors and technicians out there, that are simply waiting to get their hands on those long promised, but undelivered kits. How far from the truth Mike Pence has strayed on this one. 

Edited March 13, 2020 by spidermike007

[Berkshire]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

6 hours ago, Berkshire said:

On a more somber note, the stock market now more accurately reflects the kind of job the POTUS has been doing these past three years. 

 It's apparent and very obvious you don't know what your talking about! 

"The coronavirus outbreak and the fear that it could become a pandemic is crushing stocks. The Dow fell 1,000 points in back-to-back days in what it the worst week for stocks since the 2008 financial crisis, leading many to wonder if this could become a full-on stock market crash".

https://www.thestreet.com/markets/history-of-stock-market-crashes-14702941

555555.....Trump is quick to take credit for the market going up, he can surely be man enough to take credit when it tanks. 

[riclag]

Why haven't  the media shown disdain or criticism in the past and especially the present on  the flu since it dwarfs the death toll of CV, 12k, this flu season in the USA ! 

 

They are hyping the CR and it's obvious! 

Have you seen anybody praise the POTUS for his efforts  in restricting  China travel, or praising the task force for their efforts other then  the GOP and  non msm sources, No! 

The dems and msm should be setting aside their differences. What have they done to support the POTUS  and  government departments in its efforts in fighting this virus, except to blame!  What does that accomplish, but more animosity !

 

   
"Right now, most Americans are simply fed up. 

The combination of myriad, simultaneous crises (coronavirus pandemic, the stock market free fall, election hacking and freakish weather events), a peevish hyperpartisan Congress that is stalled, and an increasingly politicized and hysterical opinion-based media have created a vicious and anxiety-ridden culture". 

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/487061-in-a-divided-america-misery-is-looking-for-company

[Berkshire]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

Why haven't  the media shown disdain or criticism in the past and especially the present on  the flu since it dwarfs the death toll of CV, 12k, this flu season in the USA ! 

 

They are hyping the CR and it's obvious! 

Have you seen anybody praise the POTUS for his efforts  in restricting  China travel, or praising the task force for their efforts other then  the GOP and  non msm sources, No! 

The dems and msm should be setting aside their differences. What have they done to support the POTUS  and  government departments in its efforts in fighting this virus, except to blame!  What does that accomplish, but more animosity !

 

   
"Right now, most Americans are simply fed up. 

The combination of myriad, simultaneous crises (coronavirus pandemic, the stock market free fall, election hacking and freakish weather events), a peevish hyperpartisan Congress that is stalled, and an increasingly politicized and hysterical opinion-based media have created a vicious and anxiety-ridden culture". 

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/487061-in-a-divided-america-misery-is-looking-for-company

Ok, since you refuse to read anything from the MSM, how about this from Fox News...

 

[“At best, this could be 10 times worse than a bad flu season,” she said. “At worst, it could result in a pandemic that claims the lives of millions of Americans.”]

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-outbreak-worst-could-claim-millions-expert-warns

 

[riclag]

45 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

555555.....Trump is quick to take credit for the market going up, he can surely be man enough to take credit when it tanks. 

lol He should take credit when its his efforts that brought about the the strongest economy which was reflected in the pre CV

 

Unfortunately, he has no control of the Dow futures and the world economy  and what every expert has said is the reason for the stock crash.

You can continue with your opinion !  While I show sources in my previous post

 

 

 

 

[candide]

20 minutes ago, riclag said:

Why haven't  the media shown disdain or criticism in the past and especially the present on  the flu since it dwarfs the death toll of CV, 12k, this flu season in the USA ! 

 

They are hyping the CR and it's obvious! 

Have you seen anybody praise the POTUS for his efforts  in restricting  China travel, or praising the task force for their efforts other then  the GOP and  non msm sources, No! 

The dems and msm should be setting aside their differences. What have they done to support the POTUS  and  government departments in its efforts in fighting this virus, except to blame!  What does that accomplish, but more animosity !

 

   
"Right now, most Americans are simply fed up. 

The combination of myriad, simultaneous crises (coronavirus pandemic, the stock market free fall, election hacking and freakish weather events), a peevish hyperpartisan Congress that is stalled, and an increasingly politicized and hysterical opinion-based media have created a vicious and anxiety-ridden culture". 

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/487061-in-a-divided-america-misery-is-looking-for-company

Unlike Trump, the Dems support experts!

"Joe Biden Says Trump Should Just Shut Up About Coronavirus, Leave It To The Experts"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-trump-coronavirus-stock-market_n_5e66bbe1c5b6670e72fd0325

 

[JHolmesJr]

11 minutes ago, candide said:

Unlike Trump, the Dems support experts!

"Joe Biden Says Trump Should Just Shut Up About Coronavirus, Leave It To The Experts"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-trump-coronavirus-stock-market_n_5e66bbe1c5b6670e72fd0325

 

 

I say the health experts should shut up about trump and focus on the virus....lots of obama

era health officials now think its a smart idea to go on with their trump bashing. They think

no one notices what theyre really up to.

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Actually, the “hating” started with Trump. Prior to him, one might’ve hated stated US policies but never the individual. It was Trump with his name calling and criticisms of never-Trumpers (whatever that means) that has irreparably divided America and weakened this once powerful country. 
 

One need not look further than the above to understand why Putin loves Trump. 

True that. He is a divider. That is what he does. And he has the emotional development of a seventh grader. A total bully mentality. The name calling is so inane. So childish. It is amazing that his supporters are comfortable with that lack of dignity and grace. I am a never Trumper, and could not possibly be more proud of that. I prefer real men. I like my leaders to have the ability to negotiate a deal, and to be able to team up with our closest allies, against our greatest adversaries. He seems to have gotten that one mixed up. He seems to have a form of political dyslexia. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

I say the health experts should shut up about trump and focus on the virus....lots of obama

era health officials now think its a smart idea to go on with their trump bashing. They think

no one notices what theyre really up to.

Experts don't particularly bash Trump. They just try to do their job.

 

It's Trump who did not listen to them and even repeatedly contradicted them (including his own experts) by talking any BS that comes to his mind, i.e. sick people can go to work as usual, etc...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I caught this little nugget in the Washington Post re Trump's bumbling, error-ridden prime time address the other night:

 

The U.S. insurance industry has agreed only to waive copayments for CV testing, not for CV treatment, as Trump had claimed.

 

Quote

Trump’s speech contained at least two errors and a significant omission. He said the travel ban would apply to cargo; it did not. He said health insurance companies would waive patients’ co-payments for coronavirus testing and treatment; industry officials later clarified that they would waive payments for testing only. And he did not fully explain the details of his travel restrictions, leaving out the fact that U.S. citizens would be exempt.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-teleprompter-speech/2020/03/12/81bc8a3a-647a-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html

 

 

Quote

Ten minutes at the teleprompter: Inside Trump’s failed attempt to calm coronavirus fears

In the most scripted of presidential settings, a prime-time televised address to the nation, President Trump decided to ad-lib — and his errors triggered a market meltdown, panicked travelers overseas and crystallized for his critics just how dangerously he has fumbled his management of the coronavirus.

 

Even Trump — a man practically allergic to admitting mistakes — knew he’d screwed up by declaring Wednesday night that his ban on travel from Europe would include cargo and trade, and acknowledged as much to aides in the Oval Office as soon as he’d finished speaking, according to one senior administration official and a second person, both with knowledge of the episode.

 

 

 

I also caught in John Hopkins daily CV update this description of European leaders' response to Trump's remarks:

 

Quote

The travel restrictions have already appeared to have negative economic impact for the airline industry , and some warn that they may not be effective at meaningfully slowing domestic transmission. European Council President Charles Michel and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen issued a joint statement condemning the travel restrictions , noting that the pandemic is a “global crisis” and that “the U.S. decision...was taken unilaterally and without consultation.”

 

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19/index.html

Edited March 13, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[car720]

On 3/12/2020 at 4:16 PM, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

indeed there is nothing to worry about.

i mean, you can't stop all life and work and travel because of a virus.

it is just imposible.

way more people will die because of the unprecedented economic crisis that 

this travel and movement ban will create, than from this virus.

it is the idiots from the WHO who drive the world crazy.

they are too hysteric and academic. 

you can't stop life in order to stop a virus from spreading.

soon they will realise it and all will go back to normal, with new 

virus in the air.

Sounds a bit like someone defining the black plague.  Yes, all the swordmakers stop working so many more people lost their lives.

[alanrchase]

On 3/12/2020 at 8:26 AM, Nyezhov said:

It doesnt matter what he does. It will be critisized. Good move on his part anyway and a great speech.

 

Now I will make another cup of coffee and watch the haters fill their echo chamber.

A great speech? He gave some terribly incorrect information during it. If it was an off the cuff briefing he could be excused but it was a prepared speech. Does no one proof read his speeches before he gives them? No need to be a hater to acknowledge how bad this was.

 

[Nyezhov]

7 minutes ago, alanrchase said:

He gave some terribly incorrect information during it.

you mean stuff that was later "clarified" among political firestorms. Never let a good crisis go to waste, especially when you can fan the flames of hate.

 

I see they are trying to put abortion provisions in the current assistance bill. https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbcs-joy-reid-hits-dems-for-including-abortion-in-emergency-spending-bill

Shows you what this blip (compared to the last epidemic of HN whatever it was) in life is all about. Folks should be pulling together, instead, they spout hate to pull us apart. Its all about power.

 

Maybe folks should just wash their hands, and clean their phones and read this:

https://www.science20.com/robert_walker/how_to_stop_yourself_getting_covid19_and_help_stop_the_spread_if_everyone_did_this_the_epidemic_would_soon_stop

 

 

Edited March 13, 2020 by Nyezhov

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, Berkshire said:

555555.....Trump is quick to take credit for the market going up, he can surely be man enough to take credit when it tanks. 

That's the problem, he's not a man but a child. An evil and dimwitted baby.

[Nyezhov]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

However, there are alot of very good, and very earnest doctors and technicians out there, that are simply waiting to get their hands on those long promised, but undelivered kits.

whats a kit gonna do when folks should take responsiblity for themselves and the communtiy by washing their hands, avoiding crowds, staying home if  theyare sick.

 

Someone starts feeling a fever? Stay Home. Call your doc. Wash your hands. You will get tested. But testing matters not if folks with filthy germ encrusted hands go out spewing on healthy folks. Nobody wants any germs, no matter what it is, and I would rather have the Chinese Flu than a dose of some Consumption.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The latest from the U.S.:

 

 

Quote

 

An Australian government minister tested positive for the virus just days after meeting with Ivanka Trump and other U.S. officials.

Peter Dutton, the home affairs minister, said he woke up with a fever and sore throat Friday and would be checking into a hospital. Last week, Dutton was photographed standing directly next to the president’s daughter and a few feet away from U.S. Attorney General William P. Barr.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/13/coronavirus-latest-news/

 

[Gweiloman]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Why haven't  the media shown disdain or criticism in the past and especially the present on  the flu since it dwarfs the death toll of CV, 12k, this flu season in the USA ! 

 

They are hyping the CR and it's obvious! 

Have you seen anybody praise the POTUS for his efforts  in restricting  China travel, or praising the task force for their efforts other then  the GOP and  non msm sources, No! 

The dems and msm should be setting aside their differences. What have they done to support the POTUS  and  government departments in its efforts in fighting this virus, except to blame!  What does that accomplish, but more animosity !

 

   
"Right now, most Americans are simply fed up. 

The combination of myriad, simultaneous crises (coronavirus pandemic, the stock market free fall, election hacking and freakish weather events), a peevish hyperpartisan Congress that is stalled, and an increasingly politicized and hysterical opinion-based media have created a vicious and anxiety-ridden culture". 

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/487061-in-a-divided-america-misery-is-looking-for-company

Well, he’s just reaping what he sowed. 

[CG1 Blue]

9 hours ago, Logosone said:

Since the chief UK medical adviser has publicly stated that the UK has between 5000 and 10000 cases and is merely 'behind the curve' in terms of infections one has to say Trump's decision to exclude the UK looks like a major mistake.

 

From the tone of Trumps announcement where he petulantly accused Europe of not doing enough and being to blame for US infections it seems the banning decision was made in anger, as a political decision, rather than being based on sound advice.

 

One would think that Trump is getting similar advice, that recorded cases are only one-tenth of actual cases. So he must have known what the UK figures were roughly.

 

So if he is protecting Americans from covid19 cases in Europe, why not from those in the UK? If they really have 10000 cases like the UK chief medical officer says how is the UK different?

Trump's ban is on those from the Schengen area. Schengen allows free movement, without passports or border checks for more than 400 million people across highly infected countries. The UK and Ireland are not in Schengen. 

 

That said, once the number of identified cases in the UK starts to rise rapidly, I'm sure Trump will extend his ban to the UK. 

[Nyezhov]

9 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Well, he’s just reaping what he sowed.

Yeah. Winning.

[alanrchase]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

lol He should take credit when its his efforts that brought about the the strongest economy which was reflected in the pre CV

 

Unfortunately, he has no control of the Dow futures and the world economy  and what every expert has said is the reason for the stock crash.

You can continue with your opinion !  While I show sources in my previous post

 

 

 

 

Please define the strongest economy. Trump claimed the best growth figures ever on a Fox town hall the other day. Is that true?

[Nigel Garvie]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Trump's ban is on those from the Schengen area. Schengen allows free movement, without passports or border checks for more than 400 million people across highly infected countries. The UK and Ireland are not in Schengen. 

 

That said, once the number of identified cases in the UK starts to rise rapidly, I'm sure Trump will extend his ban to the UK. 

Soon we will start to see the true figures for US infections (Remember the US with c. 350 million is testing the same sort of numbers as Korea, and Trump refused additional funding to prepare for a pandemic).

 

Once the number of identified cases in the US starts to rise rapidly, I'm sure the rest of the world will extend their ban to the US. 

 

[Logosone]

22 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Trump's ban is on those from the Schengen area. Schengen allows free movement, without passports or border checks for more than 400 million people across highly infected countries. The UK and Ireland are not in Schengen. 

 

That said, once the number of identified cases in the UK starts to rise rapidly, I'm sure Trump will extend his ban to the UK. 

The response in Germany is a disgrace, to be sure, but then look at what Profefssor John Ashton, former public health chief in England is saying, that Bahrain's response is better than the UK's, they're doing more texting, that huge mistakes were made in not screening people. He was just on sky news saying the UK does not have enough test kits.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-uk-cases-john-ashton-nhs-hospital-covid-19-budget-a9396211.html

 

It's all well talking about the Schengen area, but if there are 10,000 cases in the UK, as the chief medical advisor in the uk has said, aren't there people flying to the US from London? Why are the cases in the UK not a danger for the US. I don't  comprehend the US logic here.

[Muzzique]

28 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Trump's ban is on those from the Schengen area. Schengen allows free movement, without passports or border checks for more than 400 million people across highly infected countries. The UK and Ireland are not in Schengen. 

 

That said, once the number of identified cases in the UK starts to rise rapidly, I'm sure Trump will extend his ban to the UK. 

He's done people a favour here.

 

. Only 10,000 people tested in the USA to date. 

- An infected cruise ship docking and 3000 passenger sent all over America which wasn't picked up for 2 weeks. 

- Illegal immigrant who wont come forwards or go to hospital because of deportation fears.

- No welfare so they have to work even if they are sick.

. 44 million have no health insurance

. 38 million more with inadequate insurance

- $1000 cost for a Coronavirus test.

 

Come on..    

 

I think I'd rather go to Wuhan. It would be safer.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Muzzique

[URMySunshine]

43 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The latest from the U.S.:

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/13/coronavirus-latest-news/

Ivanka Trump is pictured with Australian Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton (next to her in a black suit and pink tie) in this picture tweeted by the Australian embassy in the US. That's now two direct face to face contacts with confirmed positives with the Trump family. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-ivanka-trump-stood-with-peter-dutton-before-positive-test-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

 

Edited March 13, 2020 by URMySunshine

[alanrchase]

28 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Trump's ban is on those from the Schengen area. Schengen allows free movement, without passports or border checks for more than 400 million people across highly infected countries. The UK and Ireland are not in Schengen. 

 

That said, once the number of identified cases in the UK starts to rise rapidly, I'm sure Trump will extend his ban to the UK. 

I am not sure if you understand Schengen. It allows visitors from outside the area to move between the countries signed up to the agreement. It does not stop residents traveling to the UK. That said Trump does have three? golf courses in the UK.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

30 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Soon we will start to see the true figures for US infections (Remember the US with c. 350 million is testing the same sort of numbers as Korea, and Trump refused additional funding to prepare for a pandemic).

 

Once the number of identified cases in the US starts to rise rapidly, I'm sure the rest of the world will extend their ban to the US. 

 

 

The U.S. is still nowhere near testing all the people presenting with symptoms that should be tested, due to the continuing shortage of testing kits. But the trendline is already there (from today's New York Times):

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

Ivanka Trump is pictured with Australian Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton (next to her in a black suit and pink tie) in this picture tweeted by the Australian embassy in the US. That's now two direct face to face contacts with confirmed positives with the Trump family. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-ivanka-trump-stood-with-peter-dutton-before-positive-test-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

 

 

Lots of heavy breathing going on there.... I'd be worried!  

[Logosone]

27 minutes ago, alanrchase said:

I am not sure if you understand Schengen. It allows visitors from outside the area to move between the countries signed up to the agreement. It does not stop residents traveling to the UK. That said Trump does have three? golf courses in the UK.

I think that's what Professor John Ashton was complaining about, that people who came to the UK from Italy have not been tested at all.

 

So I really don't get how the UK is excluded from the ban. The logic seems flawed.

[URMySunshine]

20 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Lots of heavy breathing going on there.... I'd be worried!  

She'll be fine as she has a fine pair of lungs and coronavirus wouldn't dare  ! That short guy must have had a right eyeful when talking 'face to face'....Also good to see Ivanka taking a key role in helping US foreign policy given her vast experience and knowledge. She has no doubt inherited daddies genius in all things. 

Edited March 13, 2020 by URMySunshine