With 2020 race all but halted over coronavirus, Biden quietly widens lead over Trump - Reuters/Ipsos poll

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

There were more than 6 better candidates running for the Democratic nomination, and that is excluding Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren, whose candidacy's were basically identity politics and/or vanity projects. 

 

Biden is the candidate currently, not because the primary process has run it's course, or that he has an insurmountable lead, but because the corporate funders came back in the fold after the DNC and their media arms denounced the more popular candidate as unelectable. Even though every poll said that he would defeat Trump. The DNC opted to wield their promise of Billions of dollars in advertising revenue to quash the candidacy of the more popular, grassroots funded candidate in favor of the left for dead corporate shill. And "make no mistake" (???? God I hate that phrase) Biden is a corporate shill. Obamacare is a travesty and he keeps talking it up as if it were something to be proud of, even though it will bankrupt many during this current pandemic.

 

 

Sanders lost because despite his claim that he would attract lots and lots more young people, he didn't.

And Biden was nearly out of money until the South Carolina victories and others. Not much time after that for those alleged  corporate funders to make a difference.

And no, not every poll said Sanders would defeat Trump. Nor has every poll said Biden would defeat Trump. But more polls put Biden, not Sanders, ahead of Trump.

As for Obamacare being a travesty, tell that to the millions of of people with pre-existing conditions who now have insurance.

Tell that to  the people in the states with expanded Medicaid coverage that have a far lower uninsured rate than those that have refused to expand it.

Tell that to the people in rural areas with expanded Medicaid who suffer far less hospital closures  than do those states that refused to expand Medicaid.

And while you're at it, why don't you acknowledge the fact that instead of trying to improve Obamacare, the Republicans and Trump particularly have taken steps to make it more expensive and less inclusive.

Yes it could be a lot better. And would be if not for the single-minded determination of Republicans to make it worse.

You might try dealing with facts for a change instead of resorting to baseless insults about Obamacare.

 

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I'd be willing to put it to a vote.

We don't need to. Just consult what pollsters are finding.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-02-21/obamacare-popular-more-than-ever

https://khn.org/news/democrats-favor-building-on-aca-over-medicare-for-all/

 

[utalkin2me]

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Sanders lost because despite his claim that he would attract lots and lots more young people, he didn't.

And Biden was nearly out of money until the South Carolina victories and others. Not much time after that for those alleged  corporate funders to make a difference.

And no, not every poll said Sanders would defeat Trump. Nor has every poll said Biden would defeat Trump. But more polls put Biden, not Sanders, ahead of Trump.

As for Obamacare being a travesty, tell that to the millions of of people with pre-existing conditions who now have insurance.

Tell that to  the people in the states with expanded Medicaid coverage that have a far lower uninsured rate than those that have refused to expand it.

Tell that to the people in rural areas with expanded Medicaid who suffer far less hospital closures  than do those states that refused to expand Medicaid.

And while you're at it, why don't you acknowledge the fact that instead of trying to improve Obamacare, the Republicans and Trump particularly have taken steps to make it more expensive and less inclusive.

Yes it could be a lot better. And would be if not for the single-minded determination of Republicans to make it worse.

You might try dealing with facts for a change instead of resorting to baseless insults about Obamacare.

 

DO you think the primary process was 100% on the up and up?

 

Feel free to consider information we have from the previous primary before you answer. Things like the Debbie W Shultz emails. 

 

Your answer hardly matters, but the claim the election was lost due to low voter turnout is about 5% of the entire picture. It is not very easy to win a primary when the entire body governing the primary is deathly afraid of your policies. 

[Rimmer]

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[lannarebirth]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

We don't need to. Just consult what pollsters are finding.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-02-21/obamacare-popular-more-than-ever

https://khn.org/news/democrats-favor-building-on-aca-over-medicare-for-all/

 

 

Interesting.  But what's that got to do with the post I was responding to?  You trying to take advantage of the fact ThaiVisa only allows one quote?

 

[klikster]

On 4/2/2020 at 6:47 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

You should probably use your knew found specialist knowledge to watch some videos of Trump, your professional diagnosis would be most welcome.

Surely you aren't speaking of his "bong, bong, bing, bing" comment illustrated with his tiny hands, are you????

[bristolboy]

28 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

There were more than 6 better candidates running for the Democratic nomination, and that is excluding Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren, whose candidacy's were basically identity politics and/or vanity projects. 

Sexist much. Citing Elizabeth Warren's campaign as a vanity project? She was a very strong candidate until she came out in support of Medicare For All. Then her numbers dropped. Hmm... Does that tell you anything? 

What you dont' seem to understand is that about half of Americans are insured through their workplace. And they are still reasonably satisfied with their insurance. They don't want to take a risk on Medicare for All. Biden is offering a Medicare option for people who want it. Not surprising especially given the rocky start of Obamacare. The goal should be universal health care. Other nations have done it with a combination of private health care and government health care. 

[lannarebirth]

How come there's never a candidate that finds homelessness and rampant mental illness unacceptable on the ballot? What kind of society do people want? A bad one or one slightly less bad?

[Phoenix Rising]

30 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

Often people call others aspies.... because they are aspies. 

 

The problem with society is there is a majority who is led around by politicians in the same way cavemen drug their partners into caves. Many of us prefer not to be dragged like this, but because there are so many who don't know they are being abused, it all continues. 

 

Were you really trying to argue things aren't run by a "single party". If that is your stance you need to wake the <deleted> up. 

Another "I've seen what the great unwashed masses fail to see" post. Always good for a laugh which quickly turns into pity.

 

BTW, there were no drugs available during cavemen times. 

[Rimmer]

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[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Having said all that, Biden is 100 times the man Trump is, on a dozen different levels. Fairness, experience, smarts, dignity that allows him to avoid juvenile bullying, on a daily basis, a lack of seething hatred, a lack of putrid racism, a respect for the poor and middle class, integrity, ability to command respect from our allies, someone who is actually able to negotiate, someone who understands how incredibly destructive trade wars are, someone who is not always getting played by guys like MBS, Putin, Kim, and Xi, a willingness to select people of talent and wisdom to help within the administration, and so much more. And how about a leader who is willing to listen to expert advice from either medical people (thereby heading off a major pandemic), the intelligence community, or his own advisors? How refreshing would that be? How much more secure would America be, with a man like that as a leader? It would be such a huge step up for America. And he may even be able to staunch the massive decline that Trump has precipitated. 

[Phoenix Rising]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

[utalkin2me]

On 4/7/2020 at 11:28 AM, bristolboy said:

Sanders lost because despite his claim that he would attract lots and lots more young people, he didn't.

And Biden was nearly out of money until the South Carolina victories and others. Not much time after that for those alleged  corporate funders to make a difference.

And no, not every poll said Sanders would defeat Trump. Nor has every poll said Biden would defeat Trump. But more polls put Biden, not Sanders, ahead of Trump.

As for Obamacare being a travesty, tell that to the millions of of people with pre-existing conditions who now have insurance.

Tell that to  the people in the states with expanded Medicaid coverage that have a far lower uninsured rate than those that have refused to expand it.

Tell that to the people in rural areas with expanded Medicaid who suffer far less hospital closures  than do those states that refused to expand Medicaid.

And while you're at it, why don't you acknowledge the fact that instead of trying to improve Obamacare, the Republicans and Trump particularly have taken steps to make it more expensive and less inclusive.

Yes it could be a lot better. And would be if not for the single-minded determination of Republicans to make it worse.

You might try dealing with facts for a change instead of resorting to baseless insults about Obamacare.

 

There was a conversation about dems not wanting to vote for Biden earlier in the thread. 

 

You seemed very resistant to the idea dems may finally use their voting power by not voting for Biden.....

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/04/joe_rogan_id_vote_for_trump_over_biden.html

Edited April 8, 2020 by utalkin2me

[Jingthing]

8 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

There was a conversation about dems not wanting to vote for Biden earlier in the thread. 

 

You seemed very resistant to the idea dems may finally use their voting power by not voting for Biden.....

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/04/joe_rogan_id_vote_for_trump_over_biden.html

Of course some democrats will vote for 45 and many of the more old school republicans will vote for Biden. It's a matter of how many in which states or more specifically how many in which SWING states. A bigger problem is democrats staying home. Personally I think it's obvious that fewer Bernie people will stay home, vote for 45, or vote for a throwaway candidate than last time because of two major reasons --

 

Very few people actually believed 45 would win, if more had, he would have lost

 

There was the hope among naïve people that 45 was just playing games with his rhetoric and if elected would grow with the job into some kind of decent president.

 

That didn't happen. That will never happen. He must go!

[Cryingdick]

34 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Of course some democrats will vote for 45 and many of the more old school republicans will vote for Biden. It's a matter of how many in which states or more specifically how many in which SWING states. A bigger problem is democrats staying home. Personally I think it's obvious that fewer Bernie people will stay home, vote for 45, or vote for a throwaway candidate than last time because of two major reasons --

 

Very few people actually believed 45 would win, if more had, he would have lost

 

There was the hope among naïve people that 45 was just playing games with his rhetoric and if elected would grow with the job into some kind of decent president.

 

That didn't happen. That will never happen. He must go!

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/03/29/bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-trump-over-biden-poll/2936124001/

[Crazy Alex]

48 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Of course some democrats will vote for 45 and many of the more old school republicans will vote for Biden. It's a matter of how many in which states or more specifically how many in which SWING states. A bigger problem is democrats staying home. Personally I think it's obvious that fewer Bernie people will stay home, vote for 45, or vote for a throwaway candidate than last time because of two major reasons --

 

Very few people actually believed 45 would win, if more had, he would have lost

 

There was the hope among naïve people that 45 was just playing games with his rhetoric and if elected would grow with the job into some kind of decent president.

 

That didn't happen. That will never happen. He must go!

Indeed, a big problem for Democrats is their voters staying home. That's precisely why Republicans are delighted with Biden. Bernie drew huge crowds. Biden struggles to fill a high school auditorium.

 

And there was hope among normal people that Democrats would accept Trump defeating Hillary and not come up with silly ideas like using the 25th Amendment (aka article 25) to try and remove a president because they're butt hurt that they lost. That didn't happen. It's time Democrats wake up and smell the coffee.

[Crazy Alex]

On 4/6/2020 at 10:25 PM, spidermike007 said:

37 years in the US senate has to count for something. It sure beats 40 years of real estate development, and scamming of small contractors. Then 8 years as VP. He puts Trump to shame on a dozen different levels. And you talk about debt skyrocketing? Trump has done exactly that. A health care plan. What has Trump done in the way of introducing new ideas on that front? There is zero evidence of Biden ever taking any money from anyone. His son may be a different story. But when it comes to the discussions of sons, you really do not want to bring Trump's spawn into this. 

 

I would say a fall and winter of recovery, once Don Donald has been removed, in a rather humiliating fashion. Let's go baby. Lets make America better, without the incompetent. 

No, 37 years in the Senate doesn't have to count for something. However, if you'd like to look at how much debt the country has accumulated during that time, sounds great! Tell me about the times Joe Biden fought against the DC status quo that got us here. How did Biden vote on the Iraq war and Patriot Act? 

 

If you'd like to look at how much money Biden has collected from banksters during that time, that sounds great. If you'd like to look at how Biden voted in banksters' interests over consumers, that is fine with me. If you'd like to tell me about Biden's accomplishments, that would be fine with me. Simply stating he sat in a chair for 37 years means nothing. Sitting in a different chair means nothing.

 

So tell us all specifically about Joe Biden's accomplishments. What significant legislation did he sponsor? How were consumers empowered against banksters via Biden's votes? Has he ever been right about anything?

Edited April 8, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[spidermike007]

7 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

No, 37 years in the Senate doesn't have to count for something. However, if you'd like to look at how much debt the country has accumulated during that time, sounds great! Tell me about the times Joe Biden fought against the DC status quo that got us here. How did Biden vote on the Iraq war and Patriot Act? 

 

If you'd like to look at how much money Biden has collected from banksters during that time, that sounds great. If you'd like to look at how Biden voted in banksters' interests over consumers, that is fine with me. If you'd like to tell me about Biden's accomplishments, that would be fine with me. Simply stating he sat in a chair for 37 years means nothing. Sitting in a different chair means nothing.

 

So tell us all specifically about Joe Biden's accomplishments. What significant legislation did he sponsor? How were consumers empowered against banksters via Biden's votes? Has he ever been right about anything?

One question for you. Only one. How has Trump improved the standing of Americans, with regard to the banking industry? What has he done to give the average person more power against industry in general? Trump has NEVER met a lobbyist he has been able to say no to.

[Cryingdick]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

One question for you. Only one. How has Trump improved the standing of Americans, with regard to the banking industry? What has he done to give the average person more power against industry in general? Trump has NEVER met a lobbyist he has been able to say no to.

 

You must have missed the note which said that every bank in the USA is to lend out money with no questions asked. In many cases the debt will be forgiven even. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Cryingdick

[spidermike007]

Just now, Cryingdick said:

 

You must have missed the note which said that every bank in the USA is to lend out money with no questions asked.

Many questions will be asked. Banks have already been quoted as saying they will go through the normal approval processes. If you think you can just show up at a bank and get a loan, you have bene drinking some powerful kool aid. 

[Cryingdick]

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Many questions will be asked. Banks have already been quoted as saying they will go through the normal approval processes. If you think you can just show up at a bank and get a loan, you have bene drinking some powerful kool aid. 

 

$80 Billion were approved through companies like Wells Fargo, JP Morgan was a little late and confused about the guidelines, however they approved more loans in one day then their entire history, There is already a call for more money now that the banking system can keep up. Look at the financial stocks. Up bigly. That's a barge load of money and it's just begun. 

 

In spite of low interest it is going to be government guarantees, and volumes above usual.

 

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Cryingdick

[utalkin2me]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Of course some democrats will vote for 45 and many of the more old school republicans will vote for Biden. It's a matter of how many in which states or more specifically how many in which SWING states. A bigger problem is democrats staying home. Personally I think it's obvious that fewer Bernie people will stay home, vote for 45, or vote for a throwaway candidate than last time because of two major reasons --

 

Very few people actually believed 45 would win, if more had, he would have lost

 

There was the hope among naïve people that 45 was just playing games with his rhetoric and if elected would grow with the job into some kind of decent president.

 

That didn't happen. That will never happen. He must go!

You are acting like a large proportion of dems refusing to vote for Biden is "normal". 

 

Dems voting for republicans isn't normal at all. Luckily we will be able to see the stats one day.

 

You said it though... it is a matter of how many and in which states. Right. There will be more swing liberal voters in every state who have such a disdain for Biden so as to not vote for him, not show up, or even vote for Trump... since he seems to be for things like UBI and medicare during the pandemic. 

[utalkin2me]

7 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Indeed, a big problem for Democrats is their voters staying home. That's precisely why Republicans are delighted with Biden. Bernie drew huge crowds. Biden struggles to fill a high school auditorium.

 

And there was hope among normal people that Democrats would accept Trump defeating Hillary and not come up with silly ideas like using the 25th Amendment (aka article 25) to try and remove a president because they're butt hurt that they lost. That didn't happen. It's time Democrats wake up and smell the coffee.

Democrats are being manipulated into voting for "electable" candidate who are not electable. Truth is stranger than fiction. Anyone who voted for Biden should be ashamed of themselves as far as I am concerned. It is painfully obvious. There is even talk about replacing Biden somehow. If that is not a sure fire sign you have been duped, idk what is. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, utalkin2me said:

You are acting like a large proportion of dems refusing to vote for Biden is "normal". 

 

Dems voting for republicans isn't normal at all. Luckily we will be able to see the stats one day.

 

You said it though... it is a matter of how many and in which states. Right. There will be more swing liberal voters in every state who have such a disdain for Biden so as to not vote for him, not show up, or even vote for Trump... since he seems to be for things like UBI and medicare during the pandemic. 

Wishful thinking.