U.S. coronavirus supply spree sparks outrage among allies

[bristolboy]

48 minutes ago, marko kok prong said:

Some of the countries complaining would do well to remember that they would be living a totally different way of life,if the USA had not stepped in in the last world war.

And Americans would do well to remember that without the French the USA might not have succeeded. What's your point? What part did you play in the defeat of the Axis powers?

Edited April 5, 2020 by bristolboy

[mrmicbkktxl]

7 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

Buying medical supplies from the country that gave you the disease in the first place, something fishy here, Holmes ????

The corona virus traveled from Wuhan around the world, but didn't make it to Beijing or Shanghai ... can anyone explain that?Yes very fishy

[marko kok prong]

7 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And Americans would do well to remember that without the French the USA might not have succeeded. What's your point? What part did you play in the defeat of the Axis powers?

Captain Mainwarings son!

[Thian]

No more iphones for us...

[Basil B]

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Trump realizes other countries could care less about him or the US.

So, whatever it takes America first.

 

You snooze, you lose..

It is going to hurt when the only few friends America has left also turn their backs on America... 

[Basil B]

37 minutes ago, atyclb said:

here is Jared Moskowitz, director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management weighs in on 3M PPE production. he says foreign bidders outbid usa counterparts

 

 

3M is a multi-international company, technically not a American company as it chooses to pay it's taxes elsewhere. ????

[RJRS1301]

12 minutes ago, Basil B said:

It is going to hurt when the only few friends America has left also turn their backs on America... 

I doubt there will be a "turning of backs", but I reckon the diplomatic channels are running thick and fast to embassies across the globe, expressing grave disquiet with the behaviours

[rabas]

1 hour ago, rudi49jr said:

2 hours ago, marko kok prong said:

Some of the countries complaining would do well to remember that they would be living a totally different way of life,if the USA had not stepped in in the last world war.

Such a lame argument. The USA wouldn’t be an independent country now if France hadn’t helped them. I don’t see a lot of gratitude from the USA for that, not for a very long time.

Both are true and highly relevant. Always have been. History has tied us all together.

 

Why do you make one argument and dis its equal?

Edited April 5, 2020 by rabas

[rabas]

47 minutes ago, Basil B said:

3M is a multi-international company, technically not a American company as it chooses to pay it's taxes elsewhere. ????

The 3M Company is an American multinational conglomerate corporation operating in the fields of industry, worker safety, US health care, and consumer goods. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M

 

America kindly allows 3M to pay some taxes elsewhere for the company's benefit. IOW American tax payers are helping 3M. Thus 3M has both moral and business obligation to Americans and its workers.

Edited April 5, 2020 by rabas

[candide]

14 minutes ago, rabas said:

The 3M Company is an American multinational conglomerate corporation operating in the fields of industry, worker safety, US health care, and consumer goods. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M

 

America kindly allows 3M to pay some taxes elsewhere for the company's benefit. IOW American tax payers are helping 3M. Thus 3M has both moral and business obligation to Americans and its workers.

Tell them next time they bid for a procurement contract by a German health organisation.

Edited April 5, 2020 by candide

[ravip]

"Money is irrelevant. They pay any price because they are desperate," one high-level official in German Chancellor Angela Merkel's ruling CDU/CSU group told Reuters.

 

A German government source said: "Americans are on the move, carrying a lot of money."

 

Wild West tactics are OK for some. Let's ignore this. It never happened. China, Thailand, other 3rd world countries, you all are bad!

[Bluespunk]

Let’s hope those countries affected by this behaviour will remember it once covid-19 has passed. 

[rabas]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Tell them next time they bid for a procurement contract by a German health organisation.

Do you have evidence the masks were bought directly from the 3M company (i.e., an official order) or the Germans bought them from one of 3M's Chinese subsidiary suppliers. Makes a big difference. Chinese are famous for back door business.

[ravip]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

Do you have evidence the masks were bought directly from the 3M company (i.e., an official order) or the Germans bought them from one of 3M's Chinese subsidiary suppliers. Makes a big difference. Chinese are famous for back door business.

Chinese are famous for back door business - Now who knocks on China's backdoor? Aren't they the morons who should be blamed and kicked out?

[puipuitom]

In the USA health care  = BIG BUSINESS  ( for those who can afford it ) 

[Mac98]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What has yet to be revealed is who are these Americans with all the cash.

 

Are they Federal/State buyers or are they private businesses which are then selling on the the Federal/State agencies?

 

The US had months of forewarning but failed to act early to procure or order the production of supplies.

 

Somebody is making a fortune, follow the money!

Likely Kushner uses federal loans to buy these supplies for his company and then directly sends them on to a federal agency at a very profitable markup.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, mrmicbkktxl said:

The corona virus traveled from Wuhan around the world, but didn't make it to Beijing or Shanghai ... can anyone explain that?Yes very fishy

Well it could be that China has an extremely authoritarian government and no free press, so the information coming out of China does not reflect reality.

 

But why consider reality when one can start a good conspiracy theory as a diversion?

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, rabas said:

Both are true and highly relevant. Always have been. History has tied us all together.

 

Why do you make one argument and dis its equal?

I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy of the poster, who seems to feel that Europe should be eternally grateful to the USA for liberating them from the nazis, and that apparently therefore America can do as they please. If he wants to play the "Europe should be grateful" card, I just wanted to make it clear that the USA owes a debt of gratitude to other countries as well, and it isn't exactly showing that right now, by acting like a schoolyard bully.

[ThaiFelix]

3 hours ago, Basil B said:

It is going to hurt when the only few friends America has left also turn their backs on America... 

What friends??  Oh you mean the couple of die hard supporters on here?

[candide]

2 hours ago, rabas said:

Do you have evidence the masks were bought directly from the 3M company (i.e., an official order) or the Germans bought them from one of 3M's Chinese subsidiary suppliers. Makes a big difference. Chinese are famous for back door business.

It may be possible, as anything is can happen with Chinese and Thai.

However, my comment was more general. 3 M has invested a lot in developing healthcare business abroad, incl. in Europe. It will not be good for business if this company is seen as an unreliable supplier, because it is submitted to a foreign government's power.

[rvaviator]

4 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

just a second there, pardner!  out debt is backed by the full faith and cre......oh, right.

Remember what is say on the US Dollar .. in 'God we trust' ... ???? ...

[GreasyFingers]

5 hours ago, marko kok prong said:

Some of the countries complaining would do well to remember that they would be living a totally different way of life,if the USA had not stepped in in the last world war.

You have a long memory. Most of the earth does not.

[rvaviator]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Well it could be that China has an extremely authoritarian government and no free press, so the information coming out of China does not reflect reality.

 

But why consider reality when one can start a good conspiracy theory as a diversion?

Question to the original poster ... Are you saying no C-19 in Beijing ?  You may want to check on that ... and you may also like to check on the measures that was taken here to limit a huge spike in infections.  Just saying .. ????

[Crazy Alex]

10 hours ago, heybruce said:

After wasting a month by not preparing, we are now screwing friends and neighbors in a mad scramble for medical supplies.  This will not end well.

Actually it's been five years of not preparing. From Cuomo not replenishing the ventilator supply to Obama not replenishing the mask supply after his swine flu fiasco, we started out behind the curve.

 

But let's fast forward to recent months. Early on, Democrats downplayed the virus danger. A rational person can read what they said and did and observe the results in the infection rates in states and areas where these same Democrats did worse than nothing. They flat out instructed people to endanger themselves.

 

So pardon me if many of us don't take your outrage seriously.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, GreasyFingers said:

You have a long memory. Most of the earth does not.

Indeed, moochers who've benefited from the generosity of others often don't have very long memories.

[Puchaiyank]

Nothing to see here.  Abnormal forces at work in the supply and demand dynamics.  

 

Products will go to the highest bidder until this virus runs its course and a sense of normalcy is reestablished...

[Crazy Alex]

8 hours ago, samran said:

Indeed. Canada should close its borders so the couple of hundred nurses who travel from Windsor to Detroit each day take care of their own rather than the Americans. 
 

Canada can also stop supplying the pulp mill (the only one I read) which supplies these 3M masks for the Us market. 
 

And they should switch off the electricity which supplies the NE states as well.

 

America first indeed. Taking whatever...

May I suggest you read up on "taking" versus BUYING? And what, you think Canada will want to quit making money off the US? Why? Because we're willing to pay more to get what we need? Seriously, think through that logic you seem to be operating on.

[Crazy Alex]

28 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:

Nothing to see here.  Abnormal forces at work in the supply and demand dynamics.  

 

Products will go to the highest bidder until this virus runs its course and a sense of normalcy is reestablished...

Thanks for refocusing the argument where it should be- the market place. I read the entire article. I found no outrage the headline promised. What I DID find was an article on how business goes.

 

Perhaps some of these people angry at Trump should start their own businesses and promise their investors they'll lose money by not getting top dollar for their product. I'd love to see how that goes for them.

[samran]

22 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

May I suggest you read up on "taking" versus BUYING? And what, you think Canada will want to quit making money off the US? Why? Because we're willing to pay more to get what we need? Seriously, think through that logic you seem to be operating on.

Nothing to do with money.

 

Your dear leader used legislation to block the re-export. 
 

So much for that theory then. I’ll wait for the next attempt at spin...

[samran]

35 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Actually it's been five years of not preparing.

Five years? 
 

Your man has been in charge for most of that time. Or are you numerically challenged?
 

But sure, it’s Obama’s fault...

Edited April 5, 2020 by samran