Help! On Overstay [Tourist Visa]

[YellowAngel]

I came on Feb 3rd with a 60 day visa that expired on April 3rd.

When I read news like

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• https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thai-tourism-minister-plans-help-for-tourists-stranded-and-worried-about-overstaying-visas

I thought it'll be fine 

however it was too late when I realized these news are just rumors and Thai Immigration still wants you to come to the IO with your embassy letter.

I plan to go to get my embassy letter tomorrow and go to the IO but I am scared.

 

1. What is due to some small technicality, they don't approve the extension, what will they do to an overstayer

2. Should I not go and just overstay if 90 day overstay is ok?

3. If 90 day overstay is ok why things like this happen? https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/expats/german-busted-for-5-day-overstay-in-pattaya

 

[jackdd]

You don't need an embassy letter, just apply for a 30 day tourist extension.

They won't deny you the tourist extension.

[ubonjoe]

1. Be fined 500 baht per day for being on a overstay.

2. A 90 day overstay is not OK if you get caught with it. If caught with an overstay you can be detained and deported.

Here are the rules.

 

[YellowAngel]

11 minutes ago, jackdd said:

You don't need an embassy letter, just apply for a 30 day tourist extension.

They won't deny you the tourist extension.

I do need it apparently, where I am from they only allow 7 day extension without the letter.

I did go 10 days ago at CW and they said for more than 7 day extension I need an embassy letter

[jackdd]

2 minutes ago, YellowAngel said:

I do need it apparently, where I am from they only allow 7 day extension without the letter.

I did go 10 days ago at CW and they said for more than 7 day extension I need an embassy letter

Only if you had a tourist extension since your last entry already.

From your first post it sounds like you had a tourist visa and got 60 days upon entering the country, these 60 days just ended a few days ago. If this is the case you can definitely get a tourist extension without embassy letter. Maybe the person who you asked at CW missunderstood you and thought you had a tourist visa extension already.

[YellowAngel]

@ubonjoe I appreciate the response. The goal is not to stay over 90 days or even for 90 days . I am on Day 2 of overstay. The goal is to let this C-19 phase pass by and get out of this horribly managed immigration nation

[YellowAngel]

1 minute ago, jackdd said:

Only if you had a tourist extension since your last entry already.

From your first post it sounds like you had a tourist visa and got 60 days upon entering the country, these 60 days just ended a few days ago. If this is the case you can definitely get a tourist extension without embassy letter.

@jackdd it all depends on where your passport is from. What I am telling you about 7 day extension and embassy letter is not my opinion, these are instructions from Immigration Officer at CW who I met 10 days ago

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, YellowAngel said:

I do need it apparently, where I am from they only allow 7 day extension without the letter.

I did go 10 days ago at CW and they said for more than 7 day extension I need an embassy letter

That changes things since you are from a country not allowed to get a 30 day extension.

I think immigration should of been flexible and granted a 30 day extension.

[mitostone]

i read on the news that they expect 500k of overstayer due to covid 19. 

I think they probaly will come with a remedy soon

[YellowAngel]

@ubonjoe Thank you for your response. May I please bring the focus back to the 2 questions

1. What is due to some small technicality, they don't approve the extension, what will they do to an overstayer?

2. Should I not go and just continue overstaying and pay the fine later?

[jackdd]

10 minutes ago, YellowAngel said:

@jackdd it all depends on where your passport is from.

From which country are you?

 

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That changes things since you are from a country not allowed to get a 30 day extension.

I think immigration should of been flexible and granted a 30 day extension.

Which countries aren't allowed to get a 30 day extension upon entering with a 60 day tourist visa? I think i've never seen such a limitation. I'm only aware of people entering under a biliteral agreement who are not able to get this extension.

[YellowAngel]

2 minutes ago, jackdd said:

From which country are you?

India

[jackdd]

7 minutes ago, YellowAngel said:

India

Ah, ok, i just learned something new.

You and the IO were right, you can can indeed not get a 30 day extension, but would only get 7 days.

If anybody else has never seen this rule, it's stated here: https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_4

 

10 minutes ago, YellowAngel said:

1. What is due to some small technicality, they don't approve the extension, what will they do to an overstayer?

From other reports which i've seen here on Thaivisa: They tell you to fly out of the country or tell you to get the correct documents. They will not arrest you or something like this. Just make sure that your documents are in order (and take more documents than required, just in case they come up with something new tomorrow), then you won't have to worry about it.

[YellowAngel]

@jackdd Thank you for your response. Flight to IN are canceled till April 15th so flying out is impossible. My wife is a Thai national. No, I didn't just marry her on overstay :). Married for 5 years now but Thai immigration doesn't care obviously. I'm still a tourist on paper and they wanted me out when I met them 10 days ago.

My other question was if overstay = money, what if I don't go at all and just pay the fine 30 days from now when I leave, I'd think that's ok but then why was a german busted for 5 day overstay? https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/expats/german-busted-for-5-day-overstay-in-pattaya

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, YellowAngel said:

@ubonjoe Thank you for your response. May I please bring the focus back to the 2 questions

1. What is due to some small technicality, they don't approve the extension, what will they do to an overstayer?

2. Should I not go and just continue overstaying and pay the fine later?

1. If you have the embassy letter they will do it under the emergency extension rules.

2. No

If caught with the overstay you could be sent to detention until they can deport you.

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, YellowAngel said:

My wife is a Thai national. No, I didn't just marry her on overstay :).

If you had told them that you could of gotten a 60 day extension to visit your wife.

The restriction under the rules for tourist extensions would not apply to that extension.

You would need to be with you when you appy. Also marriage certificate and a copy, copies of your wife's house book registry and ID card.

[YellowAngel]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

1. If you have the embassy letter they will do it under the emergency extension rules.

2. No

If caught with the overstay you could be sent to detention until they can deport you.

@ubonjoe Thanks for the info, the immigration lawyers who are marketing their services e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cob8N2o3-w

How can they help? Will hiring them change anything? they wont go to get the embassy letter or stand in bangkok immigration office for 6 hours for me I am assuming, so what are they good for?

 

[andy72]

There are no flights out

so get your letter 

go pay the overstay there is nothing they can do to an overstay except the 500 baht a day ( depends on duration of course  )

get your covid ext

or 

stay for 90 days try not get caught

pay at airport 
be banned 
never see your wife 

[YellowAngel]

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Also marriage certificate and a copy, copies of your wife's house book registry and ID card.

@ubonjoe thanks, I'll take that with me tomorrow, only thing is we didn't get married in TH

1. would a marriage certificate from US stand valid for them?

2. Is there some office link on TH immigration website that explains this visa for visiting wife? what is it called?

[YellowAngel]

2 minutes ago, andy72 said:

never see your wife

@andy72 that might work for me. JK ???? i plan to fly out April 16th though as soon as flights open and not stay 90 days over. I will visit the new K-Counter tomorrow hopefully if I get the letter from the not so efficient embassy. I read somewhere in this forum the new K-counter is not for visa extensions?

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, YellowAngel said:

1. would a marriage certificate from US stand valid for them?

2. Is there some office link on TH immigration website that explains this visa for visiting wife? what is it called?

1. Your US marriage certificate will be accepted.

2. https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_24

[jacko45k]

9 minutes ago, andy72 said:

go pay the overstay there is nothing they can do to an overstay except the 500 baht a day ( depends on duration of course  )

I am sure many fear detention. Not sure where immigration draw the line on tolerating an overstay.

[YellowAngel]

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

1. Your US marriage certificate will be accepted.

2. https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_24

@ubonjoe thanks for that info. much appreciated.

[andy72]

@YellowAngel

Really there should be no problem, 

Q: Why Overstay?

A:Indian Embassy slow with letter

IMO: Smiles Knowingly

But good luck with that 16th plan but don't count on it 
India might well not open up
Thailand.might stay closed 

Just get this part sorted.

UbonJoe's plan sounds better or get the covid and if no flights have all the marriage ext stuff at the ready

[YellowAngel]

2 minutes ago, andy72 said:

UbonJoe's plan sounds better

100% agreed. Prepping docs now. Finding house registration seems harder than embassy letter.

 

Secondly how will I show I visiting her when she lives with me outside TH and traveled to TH with me

 

@andy72 @ubonjoe @jackdd

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, YellowAngel said:

100% agreed. Prepping docs now. Finding house registration seems harder than embassy letter.

Secondly how will I show I visiting her when she lives with me outside TH and traveled to TH with me

If she does not have copy of her blue house book registry she can go to a Amphoe (district office) and request a printout of it that immigration will accept.

Visit is just a term they used when they wrote the order. It really means nothing when you apply.

[YellowAngel]

10 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

If she does not have copy of her blue house book registry she can go to a Amphoe (district office) and request a printout of it that immigration will accept.

Visit is just a term they used when they wrote the order. It really means nothing when you apply.

@ubonjoe gotcha. Thank You. BTW is it worth contacting an immigration lawyer at this point? can they help in any way that someone not a lawyer may not know of?

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