WHO head defends handling of coronavirus pandemic against Trump criticism

[candide]

6 hours ago, JeffyInBkk said:

All I can say is that WHO is the only source of fake news and misinformation from day one literally on everything. Please help share this:  https://www.change.org/p/united-nations-call-for-the-resignation-of-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-who-director-general 

Fake news title. It's a private petition. The United nations are not calling for his resignation.

[candide]

6 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Oh but they did didn't they?They said not to panic and no need to restrict travel and no need to close borders no need to suffer economically it's possible to contain the virus and similar nonsense did they not?

One can blame the WHO for declaring a public emergency only at the end of January when they got enough numbers to do it, which triggered national declarations in most countries. They also don't recommend travel bans, and they may well be wrong (or not, it has not proven to be very effective). However, from end of January, the WHO did not downplay the spread, I. e. on Feb.10

"The new coronavirus devastating Chinese cities and spreading into many other countries around the world is “a very grave threat”, the director general of the World Health Organization has warned, comparing its potential with that of terrorism.

“Viruses can have more powerful consequences than any terrorist action,” said Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, after an international meeting of 400 scientists and other experts convened in Geneva to look for solutions to the crisis.

With an estimated 18 months until the first vaccine is available, “we have to do everything today using available weapons,” he said. The rising number of diagnoses in patients who had never visited China could be the “tip of the iceberg”, he added."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-in-18-months-says-who

 

Yes, they said it was possible to contain it, provided drastic policies of testing, tracking and isolating, etc.. were implemented, and made a test available. That's what China and Korea did,  with some positive outcomes it seems.

 

From the end of January, there was no way the WHO could have induced Trump to downplay the coronavirus risk. The information about potential risk was also well diffused by the media. I remember that most posters, who now blame the WHO, used to frantically criticize the MSM for allegedly overstating potential risk and creating panic.

[bendejo]

On 4/9/2020 at 12:33 AM, rupert the bear said:

im not a trumper but

When a message begins like this it's pretty easy to figure what's coming next.

 

[bendejo]

On 4/9/2020 at 2:10 AM, stevenl said:

Not easy to implicate Gates and Soros in this. Nonsense, but good effort. A pity the other far right boogeymen Clinton and Obama are missing.

He has not come up with an insulting name for the virus, like he does with anything he can't control.  One journalist said he can't Shifty Schiff his way out of this one.  Well, actually he can, his faithful will remain faithful, even on their deathbeds, or at the deathbeds of their loved ones. 

 

Waiting for him to take credit for the many people who now have more money because of their parent's/grandparent's life insurance policies payoff.

 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by bendejo

[Tug]

Awww come on guys and gals donalds gotta blame someone heaven forbid people might think he screwed up the response 

[Crazy Alex]

17 hours ago, candide said:

Fake news title. It's a private petition. The United nations are not calling for his resignation.

Agree. Fake headline. It still has over 800,000 signatures. Since WHO is pro-China and anti-Trump, obviously you're on their side.

[Crazy Alex]

3 hours ago, Tug said:

Awww come on guys and gals donalds gotta blame someone heaven forbid people might think he screwed up the response 

Well yes, obviously Tedros screwed up the response by parroting Chicom propaganda. That's not even debatable.

[simple1]

26 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Well yes, obviously Tedros screwed up the response by parroting Chicom propaganda. That's not even debatable.

WHO carried out on the ground research in China into Covid, including specialists from the US, in mid February. The report was published by WHO late February. Have you read the report? If so please advise what in your opinion is 'Chicom' propaganda.

 

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

 

There are numerous reports the most effective manner to manage Covid spread is to test, track , quarantine. At this stage how far has the trump administration progressed on a per capita basis (true measure of effectiveness) with the advise? It appears the USA is still way behind the eight ball with sufficient resources to implement.

Edited April 10, 2020 by simple1

[candide]

5 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Agree. Fake headline. It still has over 800,000 signatures. Since WHO is pro-China and anti-Trump, obviously you're on their side.

That's your conspiracy theory? ????

[candide]

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

WHO carried out on the ground research in China into Covid, including specialists from the US, in mid February. The report was published by WHO late February. Have you read the report? If so please advise what in your opinion is 'Chicom' propaganda.

 

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

 

There are numerous reports the most effective manner to manage Covid spread is to test, track , quarantine. At this stage how far has the trump administration progressed on a per capita basis (true measure of effectiveness) with the advise? It appears the USA is still way behind the eight ball with sufficient resources to implement.

How do you dare to show facts to contradict Trump's tweets?

[thisisrascal]

• There is no doubt that the WHO completely dropped the ball on this one and that Tedros should either resign or be fired.
• The fact is they peddled the dangerous lies of the CCP up until it was no longer just their problem.
• Whoever rejected the findings of Taiwan ought to be fired into the sun.  

Edited April 11, 2020 by thisisrascal

[candide]

1 hour ago, thisisrascal said:

• There is no doubt that the WHO completely dropped the ball on this one and that Tedros should either resign or be fired.
• The fact is they peddled the dangerous lies of the CCP up until it was no longer just their problem.
• Whoever rejected the findings of Taiwan ought to be fired into the sun.  

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/who-cited-human-transmission-risk-in-january-despite-trump-claims

[muzley]

This falls squarely at the feet of China and WHO and hopefully they will be made to pay for the all the deaths and economic damage they have inflicted on the world.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, muzley said:

This falls squarely at the feet of China and WHO and hopefully they will be made to pay for the all the deaths and economic damage they have inflicted on the world.

 

 

Some benefited from WHO guidelines to prepare, test, trace and social distancing while some didn’t. The former have less infections and deaths and better control of their economy. The latter falls into the lackadaisical group who didn’t follow the guidelines and suffered the consequences. 

[Crazy Alex]

5 hours ago, candide said:

That's your conspiracy theory? ????

Why do you think that's a conspiracy theory?

[johnnybangkok]

I find it absolutely amazing how many Trump fans are trying desperately to deflect responsibility for the US's current situation when it is so obviously entirely Trumps fault. Don't believe me? Well here is the timeline and FACTS:-

 

Dec. 31: China confirms existence of a new virus.

Jan. 20: World Health Organization reports cases in China, Thailand, Japan, and South Korea.

Jan. 21: The first U.S. case is announced in Washington state (as well as Vietnam and Singapore). WHO says the virus risk globally is high.

 

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In the crucial period between Jan 30th (when WHO declared a global health emergency and his own people warned of millions of lives lost) and March 13th when he finally declares a national emergency, Trump ignored it, denied it, minimised it, joked about it, politicised it (calling it a Democratic hoax), spread false information, backed false cures and generally flew in the face of all scientific and W.H.O. advice.

 

But yeah, it's the WHO's fault.

 

SOURCE:- https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/we-have-it-totally-under-control-a-timeline-of-president-donald-trumps-response-to-the-coronavirus-pandemic/ Poynter Institute for Media Studies is a non-profit journalism school and research organization located in St. Petersburg, Florida. 

 

 

Edited April 14, 2020 by metisdead
Edited as per fair use policy.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

But yeah, it's the WHO's fault.

It’s the usual fall guy modus operandi to cover one's shortfalls. All countries received the same WHO advisories and some responded in earnest and rewarded with lesser infections and deaths and returning to some normalcy in life and economy. 

[candide]

4 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Feb 14: Trump discusses the “very small” number of U.S. coronavirus cases with  Border Patrol Council members: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

Obviously, he didn't listen to the WHO on Feb. 11

GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organization asked countries to be “as aggressive as possible” in fighting the newly named COVID-19 coronavirus on Tuesday.

“If the world doesn’t want to wake up and consider the virus as public enemy number one, I don’t think we will learn from our lessons,” WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in Geneva.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-china-health-who-containment/world-must-consider-coronavirus-public-enemy-number-one-who-idUKKBN205218

 

[Crazy Alex]

11 hours ago, candide said:

Obviously, he didn't listen to the WHO on Feb. 11

GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organization asked countries to be “as aggressive as possible” in fighting the newly named COVID-19 coronavirus on Tuesday.

“If the world doesn’t want to wake up and consider the virus as public enemy number one, I don’t think we will learn from our lessons,” WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in Geneva.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-china-health-who-containment/world-must-consider-coronavirus-public-enemy-number-one-who-idUKKBN205218

 

Apparently Dr. Fauci wasn't listening, either. Here's what he said about the virus on February 29:

 

"No. Right now, at this moment, there’s no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day by day basis. Right now the risk is still low, but this could change. I’ve said that many times even on this program. You’ve got to watch out because although the risk is low now, you don’t need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread."

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/13/deanna-lorraine/tweet-amplified-trump-misleads-faucis-late-februar/

[johnnybangkok]

6 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Apparently Dr. Fauci wasn't listening, either. Here's what he said about the virus on February 29:

 

"No. Right now, at this moment, there’s no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day by day basis. Right now the risk is still low, but this could change. I’ve said that many times even on this program. You’ve got to watch out because although the risk is low now, you don’t need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread."

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/13/deanna-lorraine/tweet-amplified-trump-misleads-faucis-late-februar/

Also from exactly the same page you have quoted for your own confirmation bias it says:

 

• A Trump supporter’s tweet misleadingly portrays advice that Dr. Anthony Fauci gave publicly on Feb. 29.

• On that date, Fauci said rules Americans would come to know as social distancing were not yet warranted. 

• However, just about every other sentence of his remarks was filled with caveats indicating that the situation could change. He did not suggest that there was “nothing to worry about” or that the virus “posed no threat to the public.”

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/13/deanna-lorraine/tweet-amplified-trump-misleads-faucis-late-februar/

 

Nice try

[Sheryl]

On 4/9/2020 at 7:15 AM, Crazy Alex said:

January 14, 2020: WHO says coronovirus can't be spread by humans.

 

 

WHO just repeated Chinese propaganda without any scrutiny whatsoever. Defund these losers.

 

"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus  " 

 

is NOT at all the same as "coronovirus can't be spread by humans"

 

They accurately quoted what Chinese authorities were saying at the time, without taking a position on its accuracy

 

And even the Chinese at that point were not saying "can't be spread by humans".  Not in the least.

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus  " 

 

is NOT at all the same as "coronovirus can't be spread by humans"

 

They accurately quoted what Chinese authorities were saying at the time, without taking a position on its accuracy

 

And even the Chinese at that point were not saying "can't be spread by humans".  Not in the least.

Point taken and the WHO have admitted this mistake but at that time they only had information from China (not particularly known for their honesty). But by 22 January 2020 after 
a mission to China, the WHO issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission. By 30th January they had issued a statement that Covid-19 was a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/08-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

In other words there was a quick response to the initial mistake (1 week) and literally 2 weeks later they declared an international warning. It still took Trump until the 13th March to declare a national emergency, wasting vital weeks of preperation. 
However, he wasn't alone in taking his sweet time with the Uk, Japan, Australia and several other countries dragging thier heels, but the major difference is they didn't ignore it, deny it, minimised it, call it a Democratic hoax, spread false information, back false cures and generally flew in the face of all scientific and W.H.O. advice like Trump did.

That's where the blame lies.

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

44 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Point taken and the WHO have admitted this mistake but at that time they only had information from China (not particularly known for their honesty). But by 22 January 2020 after 
a mission to China, the WHO issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission. By 30th January they had issued a statement that Covid-19 was a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/08-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

In other words there was a quick response to the initial mistake (1 week) and literally 2 weeks later they declared an international warning. It still took Trump until the 13th March to declare a national emergency, wasting vital weeks of preperation. 
However, he wasn't alone in taking his sweet time with the Uk, Japan, Australia and several other countries dragging thier heels, but the major difference is they didn't ignore it, deny it, minimised it, call it a Democratic hoax, spread false information, back false cures and generally flew in the face of all scientific and W.H.O. advice like Trump did.

That's where the blame lies.

 

 

Perhaps instead of replying to my posts with a derogatory laughing emoji, the likes of Issan sailor and Crazy Alex could venture their version of these events? I'm more than happy to stand corrected IF you both can provide facts that say diffirent to what I am posting.

Facts though please.