Many patients last week got infection from family member

[webfact]

Many patients last week got infection from family member

By The Nation

 

 

In nearly 56 per cent of Covid-19 cases last week through close contact, the source was a family member, the Ministry of Public Health revealed.

 

It urged people to stay home during this Songkran festival, keep distance within the house and wear a mask.

 

 

Dr Anupong Sujariyakul, a senior expert at the Disease Control Department, told a press briefing that during the week April 4-10, 495 confirmed cases were reported. Of the total, 144 patients who got infected through close contacts, 56 per cent of cases were from a family member, followed by co-workers 23 per cent, gathering or meeting with friends 18 per cent, and public transportation or crowded areas cases 3 per cent.

 

 

Dr Bancha Khakhong, deputy chief of the ministry's Department of Health, revealed a poll that said of people who stayed at home, 50 per cent continued to work or see the doctor, 38 per cent remained indoors while 12 per cent were visited by someone.

 

As for the guidelines for self-protection when staying at home, up to 84.3 per cent washed their hands or used alcohol hand cleansing gel, 76.7 per cent were wearing a mask, 59.2 per cent were careful about not touching the nose and mouth and 58.8 per cent kept a distance of 1-2 metres.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30385836

 

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[riclag]

Some people just don't get it!  What your friends and family touch, you touch . vice versa

Edited April 12, 2020 by riclag

[AlexRich]

I reckon by the time they develop a vaccine most of us will have contracted it, many asymptomatically. It transmits like a motherfecker!

[RotMahKid]

Did anybody expected something else? It will be more, now with Songkran, but that we will notices and some weeks from now.

[scubascuba3]

Interesting split of cases, so public transport, walking, shopping all a very low risk. Close contact with family as suspected a big risk all in the same house and repeated interactions with the virus in the air

[Thailand]

Interesting photo on the first post. Those damned foreigners again?

[tonray]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Some people just don't get it!  What your friends and family touch, you touch . vice versa

I know it sounds nuts but my GF manages a TOPS supermarket. She is dealing with customers all day every day. She has taken it upon herself to use the guest bedroom and bath when at home during this period of virus risk...

 

PS or maybe she just doesn't want sex anymore....ha ha ha ha

[loong]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Dr Anupong Sujariyakul, a senior expert at the Disease Control Department, told a press briefing that during the week April 4-10, 495 confirmed cases were reported. Of the total, 144 patients who got infected through close contacts, 56 per cent of cases were from a family member, followed by co-workers 23 per cent, gathering or meeting with friends 18 per cent, and public transportation or crowded areas cases 3 per cent.

That must be a first - No mention of contact with foreigners!

[petedk]

1 hour ago, Thailand said:

Interesting photo on the first post. Those damned foreigners again?

I noticed that too.

 

I wish we could all regard each other as fellow humans and forget race. The virus knows no difference, although I just read a report that some groups of people in USA seem to have a higher rate of infection. I must admit I find myself being affected by all the reports of Thai vs farangs. 

 

Riclag was correct 

Quote

Some people just don't get it!  What your friends and family touch, you touch . vice versa

It just takes one infected person in a closed community to infect all the others. Many Thais live in extended family homes, so it is understandable that a large group of the infected are from families.. 

Most people who travel on public transport, visit supermarkets etc seem to keep a distance from each other, so the chance of infection is less, but when they come home, they forget everything about distance thinking that they are ok.

[FarFlungFalang]

 

4 hours ago, riclag said:

Some people just don't get it!  What your friends and family touch, you touch . vice versa

Maybe they do get it and they don't care because it's just another flu and they are treating it like just another flu as has been done up until now.If it was a legal requirement to care then we would treat the flu with the same enthusiasm.2700 die in Thailand of the flu each year compared to 38 from C19 this year yet look at the disparity of the response.Beware the cure don't stay cooped up at home.

Edited April 13, 2020 by FarFlungFalang

[fforest1]

I am now scared of

 

Restaurants

Grocery Stores

Markets

Taxis

beaches

Strangers

Friends

My Pets

My Children

My Wife

I am also afraid myself- face touch

 

Lets see I can either keep myself covered in hand gel and masks 24/7

Or

Just forget this whole ridiculous thing and go on living life... 

 

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by fforest1

[MJKT2014]

28 minutes ago, petedk said:

I noticed that too.

It's not hard to miss. It's blatant.

[cornishcarlos]

7 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

2700 die in Thailand of the flu each year compared to 38 from C19 this year yet look at the disparity of the response.Beware the cure don't stay cooped up at home.

 

Exactly.... I'm in Singapore still, and while we are a little more relaxed than a lot of the Western countries, the reaction is still way out of proportion to the numbers !!

8 deaths attributed to C-19... Annual average from influenza is 600.... Someone is taking the p i ss ??

 

Just a quote from a research paper;

 

"

Influenza virus infections cause excess illness and deaths in temperate countries. In the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, influenza epidemics occur nearly every winter, leading to an increase in hospitalizations and deaths.The World Health Organization (WHO) estimated that these annual epidemics result in 3 to 5 million cases of severe illness and 250,000–500,000 deaths each year around the world (1). In the United States, influenza is responsible for 50 million illnesses and up to 47,200 deaths annually (2–4)."

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7282087_Influenza-associated_Deaths_in_Tropical_Singapore

[sandyf]

8 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Exactly.... I'm in Singapore still, and while we are a little more relaxed than a lot of the Western countries, the reaction is still way out of proportion to the numbers !!

8 deaths attributed to C-19... Annual average from influenza is 600.... Someone is taking the p i ss ??

Take it you believe that prevention is not better than the non existent cure.

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

In nearly 56 per cent of Covid-19 cases last week through close contact, the source was a family member, the Ministry of Public Health revealed.

Self isolation at home is not as easy as most Thais ministers think it is... ISOLATE means stay isolated,

But I they don't understand that most Thai homes share facilities in close proximity to each other.

Not everyone has a multi roomed palace to live in!

[cornishcarlos]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Take it you believe that prevention is not better than the non existent cure.

 

If the same all out assault was waged on all mass killers, then perhaps this would not seem out of proportion...

But for some unexplained reason, starvation, malaria, TB, suicide, mental health, RTAs, normal influenza etc etc etc are never given much action on a global scale..

Why ??

[rabas]

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Interesting split of cases, so public transport, walking, shopping all a very low risk. Close contact with family as suspected a big risk all in the same house and repeated interactions with the virus in the air

It prevents spread outside of the family/home unit. Once you include public activities there are no limits.

[petedk]

26 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Exactly.... I'm in Singapore still, and while we are a little more relaxed than a lot of the Western countries, the reaction is still way out of proportion to the numbers !!

8 deaths attributed to C-19... Annual average from influenza is 600.... Someone is taking the p i ss ??

 

Just a quote from a research paper;

 

"

Influenza virus infections cause excess illness and deaths in temperate countries. In the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, influenza epidemics occur nearly every winter, leading to an increase in hospitalizations and deaths.The World Health Organization (WHO) estimated that these annual epidemics result in 3 to 5 million cases of severe illness and 250,000–500,000 deaths each year around the world (1). In the United States, influenza is responsible for 50 million illnesses and up to 47,200 deaths annually (2–4)."

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7282087_Influenza-associated_Deaths_in_Tropical_Singapore

Yes, things do seem a little out of proportion. I mean we still have the horrendous fatalities on the roads in Thailand. More people are killed EVERYDAY than total registered deaths of Covid-19.

 

When all this is over and we return to some form of normality, I am sure we will see a lot of top economics and politicians worldwide come out and criticise the governments for causing a global recession. 

[donnacha]

This family transmission thing really screwed the Italians too. The elderly would carefully stay at home but other members of the family would bring the virus home with them. Large, loving, dumb, Italian families.

In every country, all those likely to be vulnerable should have been properly isolated from the start. Commandeer the empty hotels, give each vulnerable individual or couple their own room with a TV, exercise bike, all the delivered food they want, and a free iPad to Facetime or Skype with their family and friends. Absolutely no visitors and no coming out until the danger lifts.

Meanwhile, the rest of society should continue working or getting educated, so that our societies can afford to pay for this and all the other future emergencies.

 

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by donnacha

[sandyf]

19 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

Why ??

Possibly due to a lack of knowledge, it is new and unknown. People are much more comfortable when they are in possession of facts.

[lifeincnx]

39 minutes ago, fforest1 said:

I am now scared of

 

Restaurants

Grocery Stores

Markets

Taxis

beaches

Strangers

Friends

My Pets

My Children

My Wife

I am also afraid myself- face touch

 

Lets see I can either keep myself covered in hand gel and masks 24/7

Or

Just forget this whole ridiculous thing and go on living life... 

 

 

"Just forget this whole ridiculous thing and go on living life... "
 

Nothing like the reasoning from a future Darwin Award winner.

[donnacha]

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Interesting split of cases, so public transport, walking, shopping all a very low risk.

The number of bus drivers getting sick suggests public transport may be bad. The latest thinking is that droplet-bourne transmission is the reason this thing is spreading so fast. Depending on airflow, you could get infected from the droplet breathed out by someone who left the room half an hour ago. Enclosed spaces such as elevators are considered to be a particular problem.

The 2m social distancing thing is insufficient too. If someone coughs in a supermarkets, you could get blasted while standing in the next aisle. To a certain extent, it is so hard to avoid that it is pretty much not worth even trying. If you have to go out, to pick up groceries or whatever, you're probably going to catch it.

 

[FarFlungFalang]

9 minutes ago, rabas said:

It prevents spread outside of the family/home unit. Once you include public activities there are no limits.

I agree that it would "prevent" spread outside the family home "if" it was "absolutely" adhered to which just seems to be an unrealistic expectation given the human propensity to socialise and interact with others in the daily necessity to keep the human system we have set up functioning,so try as they might to do the right thing trying to implement measures to stay home cooped up might not be the best measure to apply to C19 and these measures are being applied without scientific studies or proof of efficacy because if close contact is an effective way to spread C19 why try and force people to be in and remain in close proximity in an environment that is conducive to infecting others?

[cornishcarlos]

8 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Possibly due to a lack of knowledge, it is new and unknown. People are much more comfortable when they are in possession of facts.

 

You quoted me out of context....

Why don't governments attack these causes of death then..??

starvation, malaria, TB, suicide, mental health, RTAs, normal influenza etc etc they have the facts !!

 

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by cornishcarlos

[Yadon Toploy]

1 hour ago, loong said:

That must be a first - No mention of contact with foreigners!

The PR firm must have been involved.

[scubascuba3]

11 minutes ago, donnacha said:

The number of bus drivers getting sick suggests public transport may be bad. The latest thinking is that droplet-bourne transmission is the reason this thing is spreading so fast. Depending on airflow, you could get infected from the droplet breathed out by someone who left the room half an hour ago. Enclosed spaces such as elevators are considered to be a particular problem.

The 2m social distancing thing is insufficient too. If someone coughs in a supermarkets, you could get blasted while standing in the next aisle. To a certain extent, it is so hard to avoid that it is pretty much not worth even trying. If you have to go out, to pick up groceries or whatever, you're probably going to catch it.

 

Sitting on a bus all day with the virus in the air is probably much higher risk than someone there for a short commute

[FarFlungFalang]

15 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Possibly due to a lack of knowledge, it is new and unknown. People are much more comfortable when they are in possession of facts.

They also seem to be much more comfortable when they are in possession of what they perceive as facts as many facts seem to stem from over zealous imaginations. 

[tonray]

1 hour ago, fforest1 said:

Lets see I can either keep myself covered in hand gel and masks 24/7

The hand gel could be fun if the wife is into it

[donnacha]

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

Sitting on a bus all day with the virus in the air is probably much higher risk than someone there for a short commute

Yes, I would imagine so. On the other hand, the plastic security screens would give the driver slightly more protection from droplets than regular passengers get, along with the greater distance between his seat and others. Plus he alone would be in contact with surfaces he touches while driving, whereas hundreds of passengers would be touching things like hand rails, bells, and seats.

 

[FarFlungFalang]

7 minutes ago, Yadon Toploy said:

The PR firm must have been involved.

I sometimes (ok a lot) does PR stand for Public Relations or Public Ridicule?