Trump to announce 'guidelines' on reopening U.S. economy Thursday

[candide]

11 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

1. And if the economy is so bad, why do you want to keep it shut down? Let me guess, right after the election will be a good time to open it back up, right? Do you understand the problem with using intense hatred of Trump to make important decisions?

Edited 2 minutes ago by Crazy Alex

So according to you, some people are cautious about re-opening the economy because they are anti-Trump.. Let me guess, in other countries, people and governments that are reluctant to reopen the economy are also anti-trumpers? Or could it be that there are obvious reasons to be cautious, whatever the political context?

Edited April 17, 2020 by candide

[J Town]

12 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

The fact is many Democrats hate Trump more than the virus. Thus, their decisions are made through that prism. They literally want the economy as devastated as possible because they think they need it. Not bad logic, given their choice for the Democrat nominee. But as every scam to GET TRUMP, this one has a very high chance of backfiring. Blue states are generally the worse-hit. They're not going to vote for Trump anyway, so let these feral anti-Trumpers ruin their own states.

That's the biggest load of rubbish ever. No Dem wants the economy "devastated." 

[Crazy Alex]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

So according to you, some people are cautious about re-opening the economy because they are anti-Trump.. Let me guess, in other countries, people and governments that are reluctant to reopen the economy are also anti-trumpers? Or could it be that there are obvious reasons to be cautious, whatever the political context?

I'm American. I'll not pass judgment on why other countries do things. And obviously there are reasons other than hatred of Trump to be cautious. That's precisely the point. Thank you for the opportunity to add emphasis to is.

[J Town]

Just now, Crazy Alex said:

I'm American. I'll not pass judgment on why other countries do things. And obviously there are reasons other than hatred of Trump to be cautious. That's precisely the point. Thank you for the opportunity to add emphasis to is.

This admission just negated your <deleted> notion.

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, J Town said:

This admission just negated your <deleted> notion.

Specifically, how so?

[Crazy Alex]

3 minutes ago, J Town said:

That's the biggest load of rubbish ever. No Dem wants the economy "devastated." 

Wow, you got me really thinking about this. Your brilliant analysis has gotten me to change my mind. I am now certain that all Democrats want a strong economy going in to the election in November. Thank you for helping me see the light.

[earlinclaifornia]

22 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

The fact is many Democrats hate Trump more than the virus. Thus, their decisions are made through that prism. They literally want the economy as devastated as possible because they think they need it. Not bad logic, given their choice for the Democrat nominee. But as every scam to GET TRUMP, this one has a very high chance of backfiring. Blue states are generally the worse-hit. They're not going to vote for Trump anyway, so let these feral anti-Trumpers ruin their own states.

You play the HATE game daily. trump is uncovered and America sees him for the reality he has always been! Are you at all in tune with how those Americans are now seeing trump I think not but I read them and know they understand clearly

[earlinclaifornia]

27 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Why just Americans? Wouldn't you want all nations to learn lessons from a crisis like this?

Good point but the loudest point made it those successful were early on active. I don't need to call out trumps BS as I know its well known.

[Crazy Alex]

6 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

You play the HATE game daily.

I can't believe you just pointed that at another poster. WOW.

[earlinclaifornia]

7 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

I can't believe you just pointed that at another poster. WOW.

You direct the HATE label to Democrats daily and I am not even one (Independent)  but don't let me spoil your attacks with truths. I call out trump for his actions and somehow you try to imply differently

Edited April 17, 2020 by earlinclaifornia
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[earlinclaifornia]

37 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Well yeah, obviously many if not most red states are doing much better than the cluster of blue states hardest hits. As such, they can get back to business quicker. Pretty simple logic, yes?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-sen-john-kennedy-says-we-gotta-reopen-country-and-coronavirus-is-gonna-spread-faster-when-we-do

 

oops this is a RED State willing to devastate thier own 

[Mama Noodle]

33 minutes ago, candide said:

So according to you, some people are cautious about re-opening the economy because they are anti-Trump.. Let me guess, in other countries, people and governments that are reluctant to reopen the economy are also anti-trumpers? Or could it be that there are obvious reasons to be cautious, whatever the political context?

If you think that LEFTWING politicians in the USA won’t use this pandemic as ammunition and try to further cripple the country and economy to try and make trump look as bad as possible just have a look at Nancy Pelosi and the funding of the Business  Fund. 
 

And if you honestly believe that her blocking a 2 page no frills funding bill was not a political move meant to cause harm at the expense of the country then it’s clear you don’t care about objectivity. 

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, earlinclaifornia said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-sen-john-kennedy-says-we-gotta-reopen-country-and-coronavirus-is-gonna-spread-faster-when-we-do

 

oops this is a RED State willing to devastate thier own 

The disease cannot be worse than the cure. Other than your intense hatred of Trump driving you to prefer the US economy being ruined because you're stuck wit Joe Biden as a nominee, is there any other reason you are willing to devastate the entire country? I hope you'll really think about what is at stake here. You can't just shut down something as large as the US economy and think it'll come right back later on. But of course, that is not what drives you. What drives you is your intense hatred of Donald Trump. Using this intense hatred does NOT produce wise decisions. Hopefully, deep down inside you at least know this.

[earlinclaifornia]

Attacking me won't help you in anyway.

[JAZZDOG]

The price of baseball just went way up. The cost of blindly rushing back to normal will be paid in many lives. A moron can understand that distancing works as well as grouping fires this thing off. What we are going to have are new stats that may wake people. We will have the data for deaths per inning in baseball, yards passing per death in NFL or how many dead per goal for you soccer fans. Super Bowl or NBA Finals might just cost both mom and dad. Might as well post worldwide deaths in an added column to Dow Industrials. 

[Bluespunk]

trumps losing it

 

Coronavirus: ‘Liberate’ states protesting against lockdown, says Trump https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52330531

 

There is no low he will not stoop to. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

trumps losing it

 

Coronavirus: ‘Liberate’ states protesting against lockdown, says Trump https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52330531

 

There is no low he will not stoop to. 

Unbelievable for a normal president but totally predictable for this one. You will never lose any money predicting he will continue to do and say even more outrageous things.

 

Time for him to zip it!

 

Not that he will, but we can hope.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/17/trumps-bark-is-always-worse-than-his-bite/

 

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Trump doesn’t do much other than create chaos

 

 

[candide]

Phase one: establish guidelines that are vague enough in order to make sure no one may object to them.

Phase 2: put pressure, but at the same time insist that it's up to governors to decide what they want to do.

Phase 3: start the blame game, with a particular focus on Dem governors

Phase 4: in case Trump's guidelines are not well perceived by public opinion, Trumpers will faithfully play their role by insisting that Trump has only expressed his wish that things would get better. An additional  argument would be that anyway, it's because lefties hate Trump.

Edited April 17, 2020 by candide

[Crazy Alex]

32 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Unbelievable for a normal president but totally predictable for this one. You will never lose any money predicting he will continue to do and say even more outrageous things.

 

Time for him to zip it!

 

Not that he will, but we can hope.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/17/trumps-bark-is-always-worse-than-his-bite/

 

 

 

Yes, it's amazing how Trump was able to turn regular citizens into protesting zombies. It's not like people are growing tired of this nonsense. You can only lock people up for so long before they start wondering.

 

Perhaps the next big government scam will be to have people stop driving their vehicles because of all the deaths on the road each year.

 

No... what REALLY is driving liberals nuts over this is that it just might work. And you are TERRIFIED.

[earlinclaifornia]

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, it's amazing how Trump was able to turn regular citizens into protesting zombies. It's not like people are growing tired of this nonsense. You can only lock people up for so long before they start wondering.

 

Perhaps the next big government scam will be to have people stop driving their vehicles because of all the deaths on the road each year.

 

No... what REALLY is driving liberals nuts over this is that it just might work. And you are TERRIFIED.

We have a President who said that if you do get infected, you should go to work and spread the infection to your coworkers and customers as long as your symptoms are mild, and we have an administration that won’t allow scientists and doctors to publicly state the truth about the risks and the spread of the disease. Just the left hating trump, has nothing to do with his denials responsible for  LOST LIVES

Edited April 17, 2020 by earlinclaifornia

[Mama Noodle]

12 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

We have a President who said that if you do get infected, you should go to work and spread the infection to your coworkers and customers as long as your symptoms are mild, and we have an administration that won’t allow scientists and doctors to publicly state the truth about the risks and the spread of the disease. 

 

None of this is true. 

[Crazy Alex]

17 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

We have a President who said that if you do get infected, you should go to work and spread the infection to your coworkers and customers as long as your symptoms are mild

Debunked nonsense:

 

"Sen. Bernie Sanders wrongly claimed President Donald Trump said if people have symptoms of the new coronavirus infection, “doesn’t matter, go to work.” That’s not what the president said."

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/sanders-twists-trumps-words-on-coronavirus-work/

[J Town]

This just in - South Dakota, a state openly defying putting in place a stay-at-home order, had a  205% spike in Covid-19 cases last week while those states with stay-at-home are showing a slowing or decrease in cases. It's really not rocket science.

Going out = spreading death.

 

 

 

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[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, J Town said:

It's really not rocket science. Going out = spreading death.

 

Since you have all the answers - what do you recommend people do? 

 

It is impossible for millions and millions of people to not "go out". Staying home for them means bankruptcy and starvation. 

 

Your solution? 

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Since you have all the answers - what do you recommend people do? 

 

It is impossible for millions and millions of people to not "go out". Staying home for them means bankruptcy and starvation. 

 

Your solution? 

There is more than enough money throughout the world to have a global stay-at-home for at least a few months. The alternative is you stand a good chance, shown by clear numbers, of dying. YOU go ahead and go out if you wish, but know you are not only putting yourself at risk, you put everyone you come in contact with at risk as well. 

[Crazy Alex]

8 minutes ago, J Town said:

This just in - South Dakota, a state openly defying putting in place a stay-at-home order, had a  205% spike in Covid-19 cases last week while those states with stay-at-home are showing a slowing or decrease in cases. It's really not rocket science.

Going out = spreading death.

 

 

 

The latest New York Times information shows a clear downtrend in infections.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/montana-coronavirus-cases.html

 

 

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, J Town said:

There is more than enough money throughout the world to have a global stay-at-home for at least a few months.

 

Bold assertion. Completely untrue, but bold nonetheless. That aside, a vaccine still won't be available in a "few months" so now you've fully crashed the global economy. 

 

4 minutes ago, J Town said:

The alternative is you stand a good chance, shown by clear numbers, of dying.

 

Statistical chance of dying is very low, you can isolate high risk people and the risk goes exponentially downward. 

 

6 minutes ago, J Town said:

YOU go ahead and go out if you wish, but know you are not only putting yourself at risk, you put everyone you come in contact with at risk as well. 

 

Im fine, I haven't left my compound in 5 weeks other than when absolutely necessary and I can sustain this for a few years no problem. Im lucky. Millions and millions in the USA are not so lucky, and billions globally can't even go a week without income. 

 

You've solved nothing. 

[J Town]

A meat packing company in South Dakota stayed open, it's now the largest "hot spot" in the world. The New York City Police Force is down 20% due to this virus because, even though they wore masks and practiced social distancing as much as their job would allow, they still contracted it. When you listen to that state propaganda TV station, they spout garbage about how this virus is nothing compared to flu, cancer deaths, auto deaths, deaths from falling into a pool, etc. They are all soldiers of a cancerous blight on the world - those billionaires who put money over lives. Sorry, it's so simple and evident if you turn away from that one source emitting such nonsense.

[Mama Noodle]

6 minutes ago, J Town said:

They are all soldiers of a cancerous blight on the world - those billionaires who put money over lives. Sorry, it's so simple and evident if you turn away from that one source emitting such nonsense.

 

Yeah your answer to the global pandemic is to just "stay home" even though people can not just "stay home" or they will die of starvation. 

 

The practical answer is to isolate the high risk and learn to live alongside the virus as best as can be done and keep going. 

[gamb00ler]

30 minutes ago, J Town said:

There is more than enough money throughout the world to have a global stay-at-home for at least a few months. The alternative is you stand a good chance, shown by clear numbers, of dying. YOU go ahead and go out if you wish, but know you are not only putting yourself at risk, you put everyone you come in contact with at risk as well. 

 

21 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Bold assertion. Completely untrue, but bold nonetheless. That aside, a vaccine still won't be available in a "few months" so now you've fully crashed the global economy. 

JTown's statement is reasonable.  There IS enough money it's just that it is not distributed equally to everyone.  Every month there is a ton of money spent on non-essential goods.  If all those funds were converted to spending on essential goods and services there would be plenty for all.  But that would entail everyone caring for ALL their neighbors with no caveats and a temporary substantial reduction in standard of living.

Edited April 18, 2020 by gamb00ler