Australia may keep coronavirus restrictions for a year, schools may work on roster

[samran]

2 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Or or of?

Never taken roids

It seems you are projecting again

Forgive me comrade pedant. 

 

My socialist iphone 11 insists on autocorrect. It clearly has fascist tendencies. 

[UbonThani]

5 minutes ago, samran said:

Forgive me comrade pedant. 

 

My socialist iphone 11 insists on autocorrect. It clearly has fascist tendencies. 

Not much of a comedian are you?

[samran]

26 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

Not much of a comedian are you?

When you are doing such a fantastic job providing the laughs already, it would be rude of me to outshine you, comrade. 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, samran said:

Which is why they have doubled the dole, and given everyone one else who isn’t working but still on a company’s books $1500 a fortnight for the next 6 months. 

All of which will have to be paid back in the future. There are no free lunches.

Do you really want peoples grandchildren to be paying for what they did today?

[marko kok prong]

21 hours ago, natway09 said:

marko kok prong,,,,,,,,,,disgusting person that you are

Sure,not as disgusting as my ex though!

[Lacessit]

My son is actually getting more work, teaching first aid in a TAFE remotely from a desktop at home. Has bought extra video gear.

The people that adapt to change will do well. The ones who can't or don't, won't.

[samran]

49 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All of which will have to be paid back in the future. There are no free lunches.

Do you really want peoples grandchildren to be paying for what they did today?

Who ever said there were free lunches? The lesson from the recession of the early 90s was that a large majority over the age of something like 50 years of age who lost their job never worked again.

 

So the drain on the budget wasn’t just short term. 
 

things going well, these people will be going back to work. 

 

So for those grandkids you are talking about, for starters they’d probably be grateful that their grandparents were still around for a long while cause the government has the foresight to encourage people to stay home without fear of being bankrupt, and set things up so the economy could at least bounce back from this as quickly as possible given business didn’t wither on the vine. 
 

As for paying for all of this? Probably much needed tax reform which Australian governments have shirked for the best part of 20 years. Oh and a 1% levy on all iron ore and coal exports, which mainly go to China...

Edited April 18, 2020 by samran

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

My son is actually getting more work, teaching first aid in a TAFE remotely from a desktop at home. Has bought extra video gear.

The people that adapt to change will do well. The ones who can't or don't, won't.

The ones that can't or won't may be the ones that are robbing the ones that can.

There are many unintended consequences to come from lockdown and the destruction of the economy.

BTW the economy is pretty much screwed already and they are talking about another 3 weeks of business closures.

[bkk6060]

Sounds terrible.

Sure glad I won't be there.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, samran said:

Who ever said there were free lunches? The lesson from the recession of the early 90s was that a large majority over the age of something like 50 years of age who lost their job never worked again.

 

So the drain on the budget wasn’t just short term. 
 

things going well, these people will be going back to work. 

 

So for those grandkids you are talking above, for starters they’d probably be grateful that their grandparents were still around for a long while cause the government has the foresight to encourage people to stay home without fear of being bankrupt, and set things up so the economy could at least bounce back from this as quickly as possible given business didn’t wither on the vine. 
 

As for paying for all of this? Probably much needed tax reform which Australian governments have shirked for the best part of 20 years. Oh and a 1% levy on all iron ore and coal exports, which mainly go to China...

I wish you well with your dream. I actually hope you are right.

Unfortunately I don't live in Oz. I fear our future is less hopeful, though again I hope I'm wrong.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The ones that can't or won't may be the ones that are robbing the ones that can.

There are many unintended consequences to come from lockdown and the destruction of the economy.

BTW the economy is pretty much screwed already and they are talking about another 3 weeks of business closures.

I don't think the ones on Newstart ( or whatever it is called now ) would agree with you. They've been treated like criminals for years by Centrelink, and the stimulus has only enabled them to catch up with what OAP and DSP recipients have been getting for a long time.

You're right in saying the economy is screwed. Debt has to be repaid, and the best way to do that is winding back negative gearing and franking credits, two of the biggest tax rorts, taxing multinationals on revenue instead of income, and ensuring Australian iron ore, coal and natural gas are no longer free gifts to the companies extracting them. Get set for an ideological battle.

[Pravda]

31 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

My son is actually getting more work, teaching first aid in a TAFE remotely from a desktop at home. Has bought extra video gear.

The people that adapt to change will do well. The ones who can't or don't, won't.

So arrogant 

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I don't think the ones on Newstart ( or whatever it is called now ) would agree with you. They've been treated like criminals for years by Centrelink, and the stimulus has only enabled them to catch up with what OAP and DSP recipients have been getting for a long time.

You're right in saying the economy is screwed. Debt has to be repaid, and the best way to do that is winding back negative gearing and franking credits, two of the biggest tax rorts, taxing multinationals on revenue instead of income, and ensuring Australian iron ore, coal and natural gas are no longer free gifts to the companies extracting them. Get set for an ideological battle.

I hope you are correct, but let's remember that politicians are not independent of influence, to put it politely.

I doubt things will change in the corridors of power, no matter how much we wish they would. I'm naturally pessimistic but I've rarely been disappointed in expecting the worst outcomes for the ordinary bloke at the bottom of the pile, and I include myself in that demographic.

[samran]

33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wish you well with your dream. I actually hope you are right.

Unfortunately I don't live in Oz. I fear our future is less hopeful, though again I hope I'm wrong.

I know you probably think Jacinda is a hairy armpit socialist, but the fact is both parties on both sides of the Tasman mainly sing from the same economic songsheet. 
 

There are trans Tasman ministerial councils and our national standards for the most part enjoy mutual recognition. 
 

No one in their right mind wants to see dole queues a mile long. We are all in this together. 

Edited April 18, 2020 by samran

[pookondee]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I don't think the ones on Newstart ( or whatever it is called now ) would agree with you. They've been treated like criminals for years by Centrelink, and the stimulus has only enabled them to catch up with what OAP and DSP recipients have been getting for a long time.

You're right in saying the economy is screwed. Debt has to be repaid, and the best way to do that is winding back negative gearing and franking credits, two of the biggest tax rorts, taxing multinationals on revenue instead of income, and ensuring Australian iron ore, coal and natural gas are no longer free gifts to the companies extracting them. Get set for an ideological battle.

The newstart is now called "jobseeker".

The payments for folks who lost jobs due to the virus are referred to as "jobkeeper".

 

Both are getting reasonable benefits, with a lot of the restrictions and waiting periods eased.

 

But Yes, you make some excellent points there.

 

Aus gov. treated the unemployed like sหit for years, but now that the unemployed represent a higher % of the voting pool..

guess what?

They will be throwing money at them like confetti.

 

And interestingly enough, you have the Aussie bogans on FB calling people "dole bludgers" for getting benefits..

These f'ing morons are not smart enough to realise that all that money goes straight back into the Australian economy.

 

Its not as if the "bludgers" are off buying yaughts for their holiday homes in the south of France.

The so called bludgers are most likely to be the customers who are supporting these bogans jobs and businesses.

 

As for your other good suggestions, it sounds like you are hinting at hitting up the rich?

Its a grand idea, but while the politicians are in bed with big business and many are even rich themselves

 (remember Malcom Turnbull)

they will look after their own,

hence i fear its just more of same...pigs in the trough.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, samran said:

I know you probably think Jacinda is a hairy armpit socialist, but the fact is both parties on both sides of the Tasman mainly sing from the same economic songsheet. 
 

There are trans Tasman ministerial councils and out national standards for the most part enjoy mutual recognition. 
 

No one in their right mind wants to see dole queues a mile long. We are all in this together. 

I understand Australia has allowed far more economic activity than here. Seems crazy to me to ban activity that can be carried out without any interaction like tending golf course and bowling club greens. Not even allowed to fish off the beach if apart. Many such examples, but you get the idea.

Such draconian measures only encourage some to break the rules, IMO, and they are.

I understand the economic relief only lasts 12 weeks, so they have to make significant changes by then, IMO.

 

As an aside, the government was fairly hammering farmers before this happened. Seems that they may be the only thing standing between us and disaster now. How times change!

[UbonThani]

1 hour ago, samran said:

When you are doing such a fantastic job providing the laughs already, it would be rude of me to outshine you, comrade. 

All you have done is post cliches. Roids? Prepping?

It's kind of sad really.

 

Obviously nothing better to do.

[UbonThani]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All of which will have to be paid back in the future. There are no free lunches.

Do you really want peoples grandchildren to be paying for what they did today?

The guy doesnt care. Too busy posting 0/10 attempts at comedy. Very sad.

[UbonThani]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I understand Australia has allowed far more economic activity than here. Seems crazy to me to ban activity that can be carried out without any interaction like tending golf course and bowling club greens. Not even allowed to fish off the beach if apart. Many such examples, but you get the idea.

Such draconian measures only encourage some to break the rules, IMO, and they are.

I understand the economic relief only lasts 12 weeks, so they have to make significant changes by then, IMO.

 

As an aside, the government was fairly hammering farmers before this happened. Seems that they may be the only thing standing between us and disaster now. How times change!

Golfers stand way apart. Only non golfers would ban it. Just close the bar.

 

Some very sad decisions being bad

[Destiny1990]

22 hours ago, natway09 said:

marko kok prong,,,,,,,,,,disgusting person that you are

Are u his ex-wife ?

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Pravda said:

So arrogant 

If you don't like what I post, no-one is twisting your arm to read it. Put me on your ignore list if I upset you so much.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, UbonThani said:

Golfers stand way apart. Only non golfers would ban it. Just close the bar.

 

Some very sad decisions being bad

You're a golfer? Everyone has redeeming features.

[Baerboxer]

On 4/17/2020 at 9:45 AM, UbonThani said:

Morrison is a moron. Public servant trash.

 

I'm not an Aussie but it does seem that Morrison and his government are complete idiots. Seems always to get things wrong in some way or other. 

 

Is it just bad press or are they really that bad?

[samran]

17 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I'm not an Aussie but it does seem that Morrison and his government are complete idiots. Seems always to get things wrong in some way or other. 

 

Is it just bad press or are they really that bad?

He decided to go on holidays to Hawai during the bushfires then blamed his family for it.

 

He's probably the most socially conservative PM Australia has had for a long while and a happy clappy on top of that.

 

Having said that, I've got nothing by praise on how he has handled all of this.

[samran]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I understand Australia has allowed far more economic activity than here. Seems crazy to me to ban activity that can be carried out without any interaction like tending golf course and bowling club greens. Not even allowed to fish off the beach if apart. Many such examples, but you get the idea.

Such draconian measures only encourage some to break the rules, IMO, and they are.

I understand the economic relief only lasts 12 weeks, so they have to make significant changes by then, IMO.

 

As an aside, the government was fairly hammering farmers before this happened. Seems that they may be the only thing standing between us and disaster now. How times change!

I suspect the differences are cosmetic for the most part.

 

Going to the beach is banned mainly (apparently you can go swim out and the come back in so long as you don't then loiter). Golf is allowed in some states but not others.

 

I was listening to the PM the other day and he summed it up pretty well, you just have to keep the rules simple on what you can do, and for the rest assume you are infected so you don't do them. Common sense stuff.

 

The strictness comes down to this - and we see it here. There are the idiots who simply take the p!ss (eg Bondi beach a few weeks back), and then your societal pendants. If there is a loophole they will find it and try and prove their point just to be a pain. I personally think they are mentally ill. And we all know the type...

 

The upside is you want to do this shutdown once and only once, and I suspect Australia and NZ will be able to achieve that.

Edited April 18, 2020 by samran

[samran]

3 hours ago, UbonThani said:

All you have done is post cliches.

Says the bloke who has alt-right tourettes - and can't utter a sentence without blurting 'socialist', 'communist' or 'leftist'.

 

Talk about predictable.

[samran]

3 hours ago, UbonThani said:

The guy doesnt care. Too busy posting 0/10 attempts at comedy. Very sad.

But you keep delivering for all of us! Some classic Australiana for you. 

[simple1]

4 hours ago, pookondee said:

Aus gov. treated the unemployed like sหit for years, but now that the unemployed represent a higher % of the voting pool..

guess what?

They will be throwing money at them like confetti.

JobSeeker top up and JobSeeker will only be in play until the relaxing of stay at home / distancing re Covid, currently forecast a maximum of 6 months, then JobSeeker back to a pittance. I recall a number of players saying JobSeeker should be increased by at least $75 p.w., even then still a pittance given the cost of living in Oz (think annual cost was budgeted at $5 billion). Within a week or so what was it, something like $130 billion additional welfare budget for Covid. IMO makes a complete farce of prior government decision not to increase JobSeeker 'cause can't afford - some significant BS baffles brains going on.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, samran said:

The upside is you want to do this shutdown once and only once, and I suspect Australia and NZ will be able to achieve that.

Think about it. We have no immunity to Corona ( except the few that have had it and survived ). What happens when lockdown ends and everyone starts to mingle again?

Does anyone think an endless lockdown till/ if a vaccine becomes available is possible?

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, simple1 said:

JobSeeker top up and JobSeeker will only be in play until the relaxing of stay at home / distancing re Covid, currently forecast a maximum of 6 months, then JobSeeker back to a pittance. I recall a number of players saying JobSeeker should be increased by at least $75 p.w., even then still a pittance given the cost of living in Oz (think annual cost was budgeted at $5 billion). Within a week or so what was it, something like $130 billion additional welfare budget for Covid. IMO makes a complete farce of prior government decision not to increase JobSeeker 'cause can't afford - some significant BS baffles brains going on.

I doubt they had a choice. If people can't work and have no money, the consequences are pretty obvious.

Those that have children should realise that their grandchildren will probably be paying off the money borrowed now.

There is an alternative, but it was decided not to go down that path.