Thailand reports 28 new coronavirus cases, one more death

[Tingnongnoi]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Good points, Japan did a tremendous job in containing the first wave but are now learning hard lessons about the reasons for the second wave taking over. 

 

After the Daegu outbreak, the South Korean government began a massive testing program to try and track the epidemic. Japan has done the opposite.

 

"We are in the middle of an explosive phase of the outbreak," 

"The major lesson to take from Hokkaido is that even if you are successful in the containment the first time around, it's difficult to isolate and maintain the containment for a long period. Unless you expand the testing capacity, it's difficult to identify community transmission and hospital transmission."

 

This is the statement that worries me most from Japan: Initially, the government said it was because large-scale testing was a "waste of resources" It's now had to change its tune a bit and says it will ramp up testing

 

Exactly the same rhetoric coming from Taweesin Visanuyothin and parroted by a couple of posters on TVF that its not economically viable to mass test.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52305055

Japan were also slower to put in restrictions on crowds too I believe, there was a big kickboxing event in Tokyo on 22nd of March, with 6500 attendance, that's well over double the crowd that was at the show at Lumpini on 6th that caused the problem here.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Tingnongnoi
added crowd numbers

[Kerryd]

4 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

https://hdcservice.moph.go.th/hdc/main/index.php

 

Province level, at least something.

 

You'll notice the hotspots are BKK and surroundings, Chonburi (Pattaya), Chiang Mai and Phuket. No big surprise. A bit surprised about the provinces bordering Malaysia. That bad down there?

 

I must be missing something. I'd have thought the provinces coloured in Red would represent the hot spots.

All I can get from that map is that the province of Chon Buri has had 81 cumulative infections since the beginning. 

Trying to zoom in or move that map is next to useless as well. I end up having to refresh the whole page, zoom a little, zoom a little more, can't move/recenter the map, no information shown, give up, refresh again. And when you click on a province it tells you nothing (or you get a box saying something like Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri Province, 2004).

 

 

[DrTuner]

32 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

I must be missing something. I'd have thought the provinces coloured in Red would represent the hot spots.

Maybe some sort of relative coloring according to province total population? Not sure. The darker ones have more cases. I looked at the table in the right.

 

Raw data is from here: https://data.go.th/en/dataset/covid-19-daily and it only has province level resolution in most cases (Some have amphoe). MoPH would obviously have more refined data - not public.

Edited April 17, 2020 by DrTuner

[thaitero]

I think Thailand is doing far more greater job than many other countries in the world.
I own a condo in Pattaya and i received email from condo managment that all residents can have a free covid-19 test, paid by thai goverment.
This was some sort of contact tracing i quess, since there was confirmed case living in the building earlier which was informed also earlier by email..

Did not take test because not in the country at the moment,,
 

[DrTuner]

2 minutes ago, thaitero said:

I own a condo in Pattaya and i received email from condo managment that all residents can have a free covid-19 test, paid by thai goverment.

Sure, if you got symptoms and there was somebody who is confirmed positive in the condo building, which I suppose there then has been (which condo building?):

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/guidelines/G_PUIdefinition.pdf

 

Otherwise, no dice.

[thaitero]

8 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Sure, if you got symptoms and there was somebody who is confirmed positive in the condo building, which I suppose there then has been (which condo building?):

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/guidelines/G_PUIdefinition.pdf

 

Otherwise, no dice.

It was Unixx

Annoucments did not say one should have symptoms

[DrTuner]

2 minutes ago, thaitero said:

It was Unixx

Annoucments did not say one should have symptoms

That's screening (temp, questionnaire, etc). Testing is another thing.

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

Because they don't care what the human cost is. Dr. Oz was on that horrible state propaganda tv station saying "Schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in The Lancet arguing the opening of schools may only cost us 2 to 3%, in terms of total mortality."

 

How in ANY normal universe is it acceptable to lose 2-3% of a country's children for the sake of money? Are we really turning into a "Hunger Game" world?

There has been a significant reduction in road deaths involving children and young healthy people during this lock down proving that law enforcement can be used to save many lives yet little priority has been put on this.We have lived with the Hunger Road Games for far to long we've come to accept it as a way of death.Even the flu here in Thailand is 50 times more deadly than Covid19 yet again nothing is done that compares to the effort of the Sars Cov 2 outbreak in Thailand.Hunger Games?Yes indeed.Do you or have you care/d about the flu fatalities here in Thailand for the past 10 years?If not you are as bad as those at whom your finger points. 

[natway09]

All the specialists on here again, including Khun Thailand.

The authorities are well into looking at being able to start opening up the country slowly but

carefully & looking at many models to try & avoid a relapse, reinfection, call it what you like as in Japan.

This is proving to be  very detrimental to peoples mental wellbeing which is under enormous strain already.

I am sure that is understood by most sensible people & I am one who would benefit greatly by being able to open tomorrow but when open do not want to have to close for maybe 6 months again after 6 weeks down the track if they get it wrong

[Hockeybik]

3 hours ago, DrTuner said:

 

Number of people turned away from hospitals because they are full?

 

Yeah, didn't think so.

Where are the full hospitals? 

Where are the refer trucks full of dead bodies?... 

 

Yeah, I didn't think so...

[DrTuner]

7 minutes ago, Hockeybik said:

Where are the full hospitals? 

Bangkok Post yesterday, Dr. Boon. Look it up.

[J Town]

31 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

There has been a significant reduction in road deaths involving children and young healthy people during this lock down proving that law enforcement can be used to save many lives yet little priority has been put on this.We have lived with the Hunger Road Games for far to long we've come to accept it as a way of death.Even the flu here in Thailand is 50 times more deadly than Covid19 yet again nothing is done that compares to the effort of the Sars Cov 2 outbreak in Thailand.Hunger Games?Yes indeed.Do you or have you care/d about the flu fatalities here in Thailand for the past 10 years?If not you are as bad as those at whom your finger points. 

The death toll in the US has just passed the 2018-2019 deaths due to flu. That was a WHOLE YEAR of deaths compared to several months and the number continues to rise. The swift rate of transmission is the truly frightening aspect of Covid-19, and I don't believe ANY statistics EVER used from Thai sources.

[J Town]

10 minutes ago, Hockeybik said:

Where are the full hospitals? 

Where are the refer trucks full of dead bodies?... 

 

Yeah, I didn't think so...

I just had a relative admitted to a hospital in San Jose, California, and though it's only a sample of one hospital, she reported it was not heavy traffic at all. Now, California acted swiftly in checking the spread. There ARE "refer" trucks in some places hit harder by the virus.

[Bkk Brian]

Very interesting interview at FCCT today, Jonathan Head interviews Dr Tanark Plipat, who heads the fight in Thailand for COVID, its on the facebook page and covers lots of points that are mentioned in this and other threads including the cost of tests and exit strategy. https://www.facebook.com/FCCThailand/

[Guderian]

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

 A bit surprised about the provinces bordering Malaysia. That bad down there?

 

 

Didn't you read about all the Muslims returning to Thailand from a religious event in KL who became infected at it?

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30384197

 

 

 

[rupert the bear]

thailand must test,theres so few tests done and everyone is saying its the way to trace and treat the disease.why is there no testing available,i dont even know where to go to make a test?no money plenty of that available,we know whos got the money everyone does.

[totally thaied up]

42 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Yes indeed.Do you or have you care/d about the flu fatalities here in Thailand for the past 10 years?

Two years ago I got the flu and ended up with Pneumonia. I spent 16 days in hospital. I was only 48 at the time and have never been so sick in my life (until later that year my gallbladder hemorrhaged in me and almost died). I knew you could get sick from the flu but never thought I could die from it. I felt like I was drowning and it also felt like my heart was going to burst. It scared me deeply.

 

If Covid-19 is anything similar (or worse) to what I got back then, it would be terrible for anyone to suffer. Anyone that does not take the flu seriously or now Covid-19 has really no idea how sick you can become. Most survive but YOU can die from it. 

 

These numbers they are giving us seem too good to be true. How are we going to open this country up again when we have a chance a second imported wave may come in and destroy all the work that has been done to this point. 

 

We are between a rock and a hard place. Do we open up early or keep the brakes on?

[J Town]

Live feed interview with Dr. Tanarak Plipat who just reported over half of Thailand, 38 provinces, have not performed any testing over the last 14 days. Money plays into it, 2000 baht per test.

[DrTuner]

4 minutes ago, J Town said:

Live feed interview with Dr. Tanarak Plipat who just reported over half of Thailand, 38 provinces, have not performed any testing over the last 14 days. Money plays into it, 2000 baht per test.

The one from Foreign Correspondent's Club? I'm looking at a recording in twitter. I hope they do a transcript.

Edited April 17, 2020 by DrTuner

[J Town]

4 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

The one from Foreign Correspondent's Club? I'm looking at a recording in twitter. I hope they do a transcript.

Yeah, that's the one. Still on. This guy appears to be the Thai Dr. Fauci. Very reasonable, very logical. And his voice doesn't sound like he's gargling rocks.

Edited April 17, 2020 by J Town

[DrTuner]

4 minutes ago, J Town said:

Yeah, that's the one. Still on. This guy appears to be the Thai Dr. Fauci. Very reasonable, very logical. And his voice doesn't sound like he's gargling rocks.

Let's hope he doesn't suddenly disappear CCP - style.

 

 A lot of it seems to be about lack of money for the testing.

Edited April 17, 2020 by DrTuner

[cyril sneer]

good to see the numbers down again, alcohol ban paying off

[DrTuner]

The FCCT interview is quite interesting. Dr. Plipat is on the ball, but had to navigate a minefield when questioned about testing. No real new details into the state of the invisible background data.

[stouricks]

But come on, 25 provinces haven't had a new case for days.

[J Town]

Just now, stouricks said:

But come on, 25 provinces haven't had a new case for days.

We don't know that because there's so little testing being done. It's like that around the world.

[stouricks]

1 minute ago, J Town said:

We don't know that because there's so little testing being done. It's like that around the world.

Sorry, forget the sarcasm emoji.

[J Town]

Just now, stouricks said:

Sorry, forget the sarcasm emoji.

Gotcha.

[DrTuner]

FCCT should ask one crucial question: How many are in the probable status (one reference lab positive) or only been confirmed in private hospitals. 

[DrTuner]

He keeps on talking about numbers, meaning he has access. Well publish them then.

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

The FCCT interview is quite interesting. Dr. Plipat is on the ball, but had to navigate a minefield when questioned about testing. No real new details into the state of the invisible background data.

He did state that they are or will test every case of pneumonia but I didn't get the impression they test the father in law who died from a lung infection which was posted in another thread yesterday unless a lung infection isn't considered pneumonia.I guess a few pinches of salt should be taken with what he said though he did qualify that the individual doctors would be using their own discretion.  

Edited April 17, 2020 by FarFlungFalang