Drug championed by Trump for coronavirus shows no benefit, possible harm in study awaiting validation

[metisdead]

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[candide]

3 hours ago, pmarlin said:

A very small study, Less than 100 elderly veterans.  Several large studies are going on now on this some with thousands. That is why almost all major news outlets ignored this story.  Before jumping to conclusions better to wait and see.

I agree with you. However, the problem is not that he was right or wrong, the problem is that Trump should have kept his mouth shut and let health professionals do their job without political interference. On top of it, he doesn't even know the difference between a bacterium and a virus.

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, Xaos said:

Trump never pushed hydroxychroloquine. He even says that he is not a doctor. All he said try it, why not? 

Trump has promoted Choroloquine at least 45 times and by his echo chamber Fox numerous times. That is not even a push, it is aggressive promotion.   

[candide]

27 minutes ago, Xaos said:

Trump never pushed hydroxychroloquine.

His supporters got the message very clearly. By the number of posts frantically promoting the merits of this drug, TVF trumpers also got the message.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Xaos said:

It shows all media says same thing word by word. Controlled by same entities. They can't be trusted

It shows that news sources interested in reporting accurately and factually rely heavily on the press release from the hospital conducting the study.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

A Michigan state lawmaker infected with COVID-19 is crediting the controversial anti-malarial drughydroxychloroquine with saving her life — saying she felt better within a few hours of taking her prescription.

Democratic state Rep. Karen Whitsett of DetroIt.

 

She sounds like someone who owns a MAGA Hat?  She claims Hydoxychloroquine saved her life.  Is she lying?  It does help some with Covid 19.  It may not help others.  This latest study is not all conclusive.  If I had Covdid 19 and was in the ICU then I say what the hell find me some.  The same will probably be said of Abigan and Remdesivir.  

 

Also, what is this financial connection between the makers of HydroxyCholorquine and Donald Trump?  A lot it is made in India?  

Funny thing about your link; it doesn't support anything in your post.

[riclag]

Reuters

10 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Reuters...

Geez! I wish reuters would consider what the the experts on the FDA are saying ,  that this is a small study, before they come out with their usual...

The study by the VA didn't change the FDA thinking

FDA: "this is something a doctor needs to consider before writing prescriptions".

FDA :preliminary data are helpful to providers.

FDA : Still need data from randomize clinical trials!

 

So imop the FDA is  considering  this VA study while at the same time ,Still encouraging doctors to consider using it,while conducting further tests

 

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by riclag

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, riclag said:

Reuters

Geez! I wish reuters would consider what the the experts on the FDA are saying ,  that this is a small study, before they come out with their usual...

The study by the VA didn't change the FDA thinking

FDA: "this is something a doctor needs to consider before writing prescriptions".

FDA :preliminary data are helpful to providers.

FDA : Still need data from randomize clinical trials!

 

So imop the FDA is  considering  this VA study while at the same time ,Still encouraging doctors to consider using it,while conducting further tests

 

 

No encouragement at all in your FDA quotes.

[jcsmith]

12 hours ago, Matzzon said:

That´s mostly how it goes when a hotelier takes out the sword and dub himself as a virologist.

Unfortunately his minions will either believe or pretend to believe everything he says and tout it as truth. It's what makes him so dangerous. He's clueless about most topics, but still strongly opinionated with an often radical viewpoint on everything. 

[Zillod]

Leftist pearl clutchers everything anti trump, but if they were in ICU .. Gimme the hydroxychloraquine!  Always total hypocrites

[SometimezaGreatNotion]

This news should be spread widely. It might prevent people who trust the orange word salad king from killing themselves -- like the old couple who dosed themselves with aquarium cleaning pills because one of the ingredients was chloroquine (one of them died).

 

I actually took chloroquine for two years while a volunteer in United States Peace Corps (1976-78). It was U.S. Peace Corps policy that volunteers in our region take the pills as a malaria preventative. Had some temporary liver damage, maybe due to alcohol + chloroquine.

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by SometimezaGreatNotion
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[balo]

^{Try vitamin shots instead, probably works better than dangerous drugs.}

[SometimezaGreatNotion]

7 hours ago, Xaos said:

 

I bet if u get covid positive, first thing u try would be hydroxychroloquine and azythromycin 

Well, no. Since about 80% of people with CV-19 do not have serious problems, no reason to dose yourself straight off.

[Throatwobbler]

6 hours ago, rech said:

 

In this world, we have people able to think and understand, and others..

I guess that you know where you belong ❤️

 

 

 

 

He would be in the think and understand group. Makes it pretty obvious what group you are in. 

[Throatwobbler]

36 minutes ago, Zillod said:

Leftist pearl clutchers everything anti trump, but if they were in ICU .. Gimme the hydroxychloraquine!  Always total hypocrites

Actually I would be listening to the doctors, not a reality tv show host.

[Forethat]

14 hours ago, Tug said:

To bad would have been nice if it helped wonder how many were injured by trumps unfounded ill advised and harmful jaw jacking 

I think you underestimate doctors abilities to critical thinking. For what it's worth, they don't prescribe based on Trump's..mhmm...whatever it was. 

Doctors are generally quite clever people.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Forethat

[metisdead]

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[jcsmith]

5 hours ago, Zillod said:

Leftist pearl clutchers everything anti trump, but if they were in ICU .. Gimme the hydroxychloraquine!  Always total hypocrites

Talk about a straw man... For one, I think most people if they are really sick and in ICU are going to take the doctor's advice on what to do. Here's the problem, very few doctor's would have recommended this drug. That isn't to say they thought it was bad, but it certainly needed testing. What Trump does is dangerous in that he goes out and tells people otherwise based on a hunch... and then he wouldn't even allow Fauci to answer a question about it from the media a couple of weeks ago he butted in. His whole, "what do you have to lose?" While touting this drug repeatedly seemed highly suspicious. 

 

I'm sure everyone would like there to be a valid cure at this point. And there are many candidates for that on the market, all which need testing. The problem here is that all of them need the trials to see if they are safe, and if they have positive results. Trump just picked one drug (which is what makes it so suspicious) and latched onto it as the cure and started suggesting that people should take it. And the even larger problem of this is that the drug he picked can be dangerous. 

[rod40a]

19 hours ago, Tug said:

To bad would have been nice if it helped wonder how many were injured by trumps unfounded ill advised and harmful jaw jacking 

I read yesterday that turkey have been using the drug with success and have a very low death rate , from what I understand it works well with people in the early stage of the virus not once the lungs have been damaged 

[rod40a]

12 hours ago, Xaos said:

 

How about

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20065276v1

 

 

I bet if u get covid positive, first thing u try would be hydroxychroloquine and azythromycin 

Funnily enough I was reading a paper by the Turkish Journal of Medical Sciences, somewhat sceptical of all the hype. 

http://online.journals.tubitak.gov.tr/openInPressDocument.htm?fileID=1291231&no=223892&fileType=Report Document

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Zillod said:

Leftist pearl clutchers everything anti trump, but if they were in ICU .. Gimme the hydroxychloraquine!  Always total hypocrites

If I were in the ICU and asked if I wanted to volunteer for an experimental treatment, I'd ask for one of the medicines used to treat other viral infections  https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200218/doctors-look-to-existing-drugs-in-coronavirus-fight  , not one used to treat malaria, a parasitic infection.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, rod40a said:

I read yesterday that turkey have been using the drug with success and have a very low death rate , from what I understand it works well with people in the early stage of the virus not once the lungs have been damaged 

It would be nice if you could provide a source for "what I understand".

 

In the early stages of the virus most people will recover without the use of experimental drugs.

[lamyai3]

It's too bad the pros and cons of chloroquine and and hydroxychloroquine can't be discussed without referencing Trump. There remains convincing scientific support for why these might work (and particularly in conjunction with zinc, with the hydroxy making the cell permeable to the zinc), not least in that they proved effective back in 2004 in relation to SARS 1 - back when Trump was busy with the first season of The Apprentice.

 

While none of the controlled trials have really proved conclusive, it's worth remembering that many more people are being treated with chloroquine worldwide than the small numbers who are currently taking part in trials. In Thailand this includes all hospital cases other than asymptomatic; everyone with mild symptoms upwards gets the drug according to the Ministry of Health guidelines. The same is true in many countries around the world - it's likely a high percentage of people with covid-19 in hospitals around the world are currently taking or will have already completed a course of chloroquine. 

Edited April 22, 2020 by lamyai3

[RJRS1301]

18 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

While none of the controlled trials have really proved conclusive, it's worth remembering that many more people are being treated with chloroquine worldwide than the small numbers who are currently taking part in trials.

The reason Trump is mentioned as that is what the thread and his promotion of the drug is about.

I have just heard a news bulletin that drug trials in four countries have been abandoned due to increased side effects and lack of efficacy of the drug as a treatment. 

[metisdead]

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[pmarlin]

All the prior 113 post before this one is a complete waste of time as the VA just announced that the small observation that the media ran with was not a study or even scientific  but just an observation the drug given to dying elderly VA patients which most likely nothing would of helped. They have backed off from it and have been discredited by numerous medical organizations.

[Chiphigh]

After actually looking at the way this is being touted as "scientific" 

 

It shamefully does not state these relevant facts :

 

1 they did not give the patient the drug until AFTER they were intubated. 

 

2 this has not been peer reviewed by anyone

 

3. The head of the VA clearly says the treatment is working for young and middle aged vets. 

 

4. This study does not take into account any of the evidence of the people who have been cleared by using the same treatment. 

 

 

 

Now, all the same <<<<trolling reference toward Mr. Trump edited out>>>> bad posters have been predictably blabbering on about "I told you so" without a shred of trying to see if this one sided narrative is true or not. Zero interest in the actual story and actual examples of how this treatment is successful in many thousands of cases. 

 

Of course, these same rabid posters will immediately discount this video that clearly states the facts because of the source does not fit their narrative. 

 

 

Have fun:

 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2020 by metisdead

[Eric Loh]

Not approved by FDA to prevent or treat COVID-19 and CDC withdrawn prescription details from their websites; that’s all that matters. Non medical layperson shouldn’t be giving advise on choloroquine period. 

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241886271.html#storylink=cpy

[simple1]

21 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

<SNIP> The head of the VA clearly says the treatment is working for young and middle aged vets.<SNIP> 

An analysis of data from 368 U.S. veterans treated for COVID-19, posted in a preprint today, found the risk of death from any cause was greater for those who received hydroxychloroquine than for those who didn’t, even after researchers adjusted for the fact that patients with more severe disease were more likely to receive the drug.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/antimalarials-widely-used-against-covid-19-heighten-risk-cardiac-arrest-how-can-doctors

[Chiphigh]

31 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Not approved by FDA to prevent or treat COVID-19 and CDC withdrawn prescription details from their websites; that’s all that matters. Non medical layperson shouldn’t be giving advise on choloroquine period. 

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241886271.html#storylink=cpy

Nonsense, refer to Dr Stephen Smith and his ongoing success in treating his patients with the combination of hydrochloroquine and Zithromax, and clearly stating that early treatment is necessary for success.