U.S. coronavirus deaths top 45,000, doubling in little over a week: Reuters tally

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U.S. coronavirus deaths top 45,000, doubling in little over a week: Reuters tally

By Lisa Shumaker

 

FILE PHOTO: A nurse wearing personal protective equipment watches an ambulance driving away outside of Elmhurst Hospital during the ongoing outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) in the Queens borough of New York, U.S., April 20, 2020. REUTERS/Lucas Jackson

 

(Reuters) - U.S. coronavirus deaths topped 45,000 on Tuesday doubling in a little over a week as cases climbed to over 800,000, according to a Reuters tally.

 

The United States has by far the world's largest number of confirmed coronavirus cases, almost four times as many as Spain, the country with the second-highest number. Globally, cases topped 2.5 million on Tuesday, with North America accounting for one-third of all cases.

 

Deaths increased by more than 2,600 on Tuesday alone with a few states yet to report.

 

New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Michigan each reported their highest single-day coronavirus-related death tolls on Tuesday - over 800 between the three states. New York state, the epicenter of the U.S. outbreak, reported 481 new deaths.

 

Coronavirus-related fatalities in the United States hit a peak of 2,806 on April 15, the deadliest single day of the epidemic.

 

U.S. cases were at 809,000, up 23,000.

 

New reported U.S. cases appear to be slowing this week, rising by less than 30,000 a day for the past three days. The United States had a record 35,392 cases on April 4.

 

Medical experts have warned that increased testing will be necessary for the lifting of stay-at-home measures, which experts say are essential to slowing the spread of the highly contagious respiratory illness. However, the measures have ground the economy to a standstill and forced more than 22 million people to apply for unemployment benefits in the last month.

 

New York, which accounts for nearly half of the deaths across the country, has taken a cautious stance on reopening businesses and schools.

 

On Monday, New York City said that concerts and other large events would be canceled through June, a contrast with some southern states like Georgia and South Carolina that are relaxing their lockdowns.

 

(Writing by Lisa Shumaker; Editing by Bill Berkrot)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-04-22

 

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[z42]

Shocking figures, and more than believable given the generally appalling health stats and dietary choices that a higher than average % of the population are said to swear by.

 

A highly contagious respiratory illness is probably the most accurate description i've seen too.

 

Let's hope this spurs them to change some pretty terrible collective habits going forward.

[Emdog]

Equivalent to fifteen Sept 11 attacks in US. I will soon need to use my next yardstick, which will be Vietnam war American deaths, 55,000. Any day now at this rate.

[animalmagic]

5 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Equivalent to fifteen Sept 11 attacks in US. I will soon need to use my next yardstick, which will be Vietnam war American deaths, 55,000. Any day now at this rate.

That is a very sobering thought.  But very informative, thank you.

[marko kok prong]

But hey,it's all gonna be great,they've got a great team,and most important [according to him] one of the Greatest ever President's.

[Jimbo2014]

Sadly, Trump did promise to put America first ????.

[metisdead]

A troll post has been removed. 

[phantomfiddler]

Would it not be appropriate, while mentioning these figure, to include the fact that the average number of deaths in America during the winter months happens to be around 8,500 per day, which over the 100 or so days that this virus has been around, gives us an average death toll of 850,000 people, under NORMAL WINTER CONDITIONS ! There does exist a phenomenon called "Lying by omission", often used to manipulate people,s opinions or hide the true facts ???? Hey look, nobody wants anyone to die, but this stuff happens !

[milesinnz]

11 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

Would it not be appropriate, while mentioning these figure, to include the fact that the average number of deaths in America during the winter months happens to be around 8,500 per day, which over the 100 or so days that this virus has been around, gives us an average death toll of 850,000 people, under NORMAL WINTER CONDITIONS ! There does exist a phenomenon called "Lying by omission", often used to manipulate people,s opinions or hide the true facts ???? Hey look, nobody wants anyone to die, but this stuff happens !

makes you wonder why people wear seat belts in cars, or why all the fuss about the 737 MAX crashes, heck that was only 500 people killed.. why bother with any fixes with so few being killed..

[Isaan sailor]

And a Bronx cheer goes out to China...

[mrfill]

1 hour ago, phantomfiddler said:

Would it not be appropriate, while mentioning these figure, to include the fact that the average number of deaths in America during the winter months happens to be around 8,500 per day, which over the 100 or so days that this virus has been around, gives us an average death toll of 850,000 people, under NORMAL WINTER CONDITIONS ! There does exist a phenomenon called "Lying by omission", often used to manipulate people,s opinions or hide the true facts ???? Hey look, nobody wants anyone to die, but this stuff happens !

What is the normal daily average for New York state? And the figures for the last month with the additional 19900 ?

 

Over that month the average number of cv19 deaths country-wide is 1500/day - a 17.6% increase to 10000/day. However, NY state has seen 44% of all US cv19 deaths. It has 25% of total cases in the US.

Outside the epicentres, things appear nice and safe - for the time being.... (right up to the point where they're not.)

 

[timendres]

1 hour ago, milesinnz said:

makes you wonder why people wear seat belts in cars, or why all the fuss about the 737 MAX crashes, heck that was only 500 people killed.. why bother with any fixes with so few being killed..

There is no one suggesting that we sit back and do nothing. But the totally disproportionate presentation of this pandemic by government and the media is totally out of balance, which is what the poster was attempting to convey. This in turn results in unreasonable responses to the pandemic, which simply make matters worse.

[malibukid]

America is a failed State.  i have known this for years and jumped ship.  all it's inadequacies are not being laid bare with the onslaught of plague.  America and Americans  have no one to blame but its self and its skewed social polices that serve the rich  

Edited April 22, 2020 by malibukid

[cycolista]

2 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

Would it not be appropriate, while mentioning these figure, to include the fact that the average number of deaths in America during the winter months happens to be around 8,500 per day, which over the 100 or so days that this virus has been around, gives us an average death toll of 850,000 people, under NORMAL WINTER CONDITIONS ! There does exist a phenomenon called "Lying by omission", often used to manipulate people,s opinions or hide the true facts ???? Hey look, nobody wants anyone to die, but this stuff happens !

How many of those deaths are contagious?

[z42]

3 hours ago, Emdog said:

Equivalent to fifteen Sept 11 attacks in US. I will soon need to use my next yardstick, which will be Vietnam war American deaths, 55,000. Any day now at this rate.

Look how many die each year from obesity related illnesses. Dwarfs these numbers.

America's politics are a mess. The pharma industry has made Americans' health as a collective some of the shakiest on earth.

 

Covid19 is just another agent to pick these eternally unwell people off. It's a shame that most Americans won't see the bigger picture here

[samran]

10 minutes ago, z42 said:

Look how many die each year from obesity related illnesses. Dwarfs these numbers.

Obesity isn’t highly contagious. Even my teenage daughter knows they answer to that. 

[Pedrogaz]

This virus, or its mutant, seems to attack Westerners more aggressively than Asians. The top 6 nations on infections are all western and the deaths rate seems higher....at least double Asian rates. And if adjusted for population the results are magnified. Thailand is only 55th in the league table vs UK at 6th whereas they have similar populations sizes. The US has 10X as many deaths as China with a fifth of the population. What is going on? Doesn't the US have the greatest healthcare on earth? Well no it ranks about number 20 in world rankings....but you know what I mean.

[Traubert]

Oh my word.

 

Hopefully it will peak soon in the US.

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, milesinnz said:

makes you wonder why people wear seat belts in cars, or why all the fuss about the 737 MAX crashes, heck that was only 500 people killed.. why bother with any fixes with so few being killed..

The fix is destroying your economy. When it collapses the cost in human lives and misery will be far greater than the glorified flu outbreak you are all getting your knickers in a twist over.

[rumak]

10 hours ago, z42 said:

Let's hope this spurs them to change some pretty terrible collective habits going forward.

Fast food chains have their PR  departments working overtime to come up with new slogans .

 

taco bell :   "obesity is beautiful"  !

burger king :  "discounts for anyone over 300 pounds. "

mc donalds:   " happy meals are here again"    (you know the tune)

Kentucky fried :   Thursdays are cross dressing discounts.  All females over 250 lbs wearing

                          flannel shirts get a free 48 oz coke

 

American burger association :   STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS !    ( those of you unable to stand

                                             will have assistants to help )  

[Nigel Garvie]

5 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

The fix is destroying your economy. When it collapses the cost in human lives and misery will be far greater than the glorified flu outbreak you are all getting your knickers in a twist over.

They do say that Covid is a particularly unpleasant way to die. You could speak to someone about it before glibly dismissing it as a glorified flu outbreak.

[baansgr]

57 minutes ago, cycolista said:

How many of those deaths are contagious?

That's a very good point but no chance of ever changing conspiracy theorists views, it's ingrained from an early age..global warming, 5g, grassy Knowles, hijacked Jumbo's etc

[Nigel Garvie]

41 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

This virus, or its mutant, seems to attack Westerners more aggressively than Asians. The top 6 nations on infections are all western and the deaths rate seems higher....at least double Asian rates. And if adjusted for population the results are magnified. Thailand is only 55th in the league table vs UK at 6th whereas they have similar populations sizes. The US has 10X as many deaths as China with a fifth of the population. What is going on? Doesn't the US have the greatest healthcare on earth? Well no it ranks about number 20 in world rankings....but you know what I mean.

Well this could indeed be interesting, depending of course on how accurately the statistics are being compiled. Myanmar has none, as does North Korea. Duerte probably shoots all the Covid positive members of the population. We don't hear much about Indonesia, maybe Allah has banned it. China is a dictatorship, and Japan and South Korea are both societies with a highly developed sense of mutual dependency and responsibility. There may indeed be something in the colder climate higher death rate theory, certainly applies to the flu, but then older people's resistance is impaired in that season, irrespective of what virus is on the roam. There is no "winter" season in SE Asia. Yes, the US does have an awful typical diet, and one of the worst healthcare systems in the world for an advanced economy, but that is their choice, profit before people. Why keep the uninsured alive when it costs money, and there is no longer a profit to be made by big Pharma from them. Plenty of posters here have clearly been more concerned with their share price.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Nigel Garvie
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[J Town]

14 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

55 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

This virus, or its mutant, seems to attack Westerners more aggressively than Asians.

Well this could indeed be interesting, depending of course on how accurately the statistics are being compiled.

That's it in a nutshell. You can't know WHO to believe. How many times has it been said on this forum the Thai stats are pulled out of thin air. Stories on social media contradict themselves.

 

What I bet WILL happen is the US cases are about to skyrocket even more with states giving the world a one finger salute and "opening up their economies."

 

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by J Town

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Pedrogaz said:

This virus, or its mutant, seems to attack Westerners more aggressively than Asians. The top 6 nations on infections are all western and the deaths rate seems higher....at least double Asian rates. And if adjusted for population the results are magnified. Thailand is only 55th in the league table vs UK at 6th whereas they have similar populations sizes. The US has 10X as many deaths as China with a fifth of the population. What is going on? Doesn't the US have the greatest healthcare on earth? Well no it ranks about number 20 in world rankings....but you know what I mean.

Also Spanish flu affected westerners more than Asians.

[Krataiboy]

43 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

They do say that Covid is a particularly unpleasant way to die. You could speak to someone about it before glibly dismissing it as a glorified flu outbreak.

You're shooting the messenger boy. The message came not from me, but a certain Doctor Fauci, writing in the New England Journal of Medicine on March 26.

 

Last time I looked the good doctor was still one of the lead members of the Trump Administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force.

 

So I guess he must know what is talking about. Do you?

[Acharn]

4 hours ago, timendres said:

There is no one suggesting that we sit back and do nothing. But the totally disproportionate presentation of this pandemic by government and the media is totally out of balance, which is what the poster was attempting to convey. This in turn results in unreasonable responses to the pandemic, which simply make matters worse.

It's called The Precautionary Principle. We started out in January with virtually no information about the virus except the comparatively large number of deaths in Wuhan. That led epidemiologists elsewhere to think the infection rate and fatality rates were higher than we now see (except in the U.S., Italy, France, Spain, and Portugal). Policy decisions were made based on worst-case projections of what was then known or believed. In the U.S. they still do not have enough testing capacity to get a good handle on the real problems. Some places have testing kits but no swabs. Other places have swabs, but not enough laboratories to process the test kits. Still other places have swabs and laboratories, but no test kits. Some states have not enough reagents to finish processing the kits. It's a mess, primarily because the federal government was trying to cover up the problem, hoping it would go away. Some people now are willing to risk death to go back to normal, convinced they are invincible.

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

You're shooting the messenger boy. The message came not from me, but a certain Doctor Fauci, writing in the New England Journal of Medicine on March 26.

 

Last time I looked the good doctor was still one of the lead members of the Trump Administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force.

 

So I guess he must know what is talking about. Do you?

Dr Fauci knows his stuff, must be the exception on Trumps team. 

Your quote is not what he really said, which was:-

This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%). Read the full article and don't just take part of it out of context. Your interpretation is of something written nearly month ago. Below is a graph taken from the business insider 20/4/20 much more up to date. It compares Covid 19 with the worst of the recent years for flu.

The point is that Covid 19 spreads easily, and is more deadly if you do get it. Also this is a NEW VIRUS, we have inbuilt immunity to many of the common forms of flu already. Back to primary biology. 

 

[FritsSikkink]

7 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

Would it not be appropriate, while mentioning these figure, to include the fact that the average number of deaths in America during the winter months happens to be around 8,500 per day, which over the 100 or so days that this virus has been around, gives us an average death toll of 850,000 people, under NORMAL WINTER CONDITIONS ! There does exist a phenomenon called "Lying by omission", often used to manipulate people,s opinions or hide the true facts ???? Hey look, nobody wants anyone to die, but this stuff happens !

None of the other diseases or accidents create a situation that your ICU's are full, you don't have the proper protection for your people working in healthcare, so they kick the bucket too.

Edited April 22, 2020 by FritsSikkink

[Krataiboy]

14 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Dr Fauci knows his stuff, must be the exception on Trumps team. 

Your quote is not what he really said, which was:-

This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%). Read the full article and don't just take part of it out of context. Your interpretation is of something written nearly month ago. Below is a graph taken from the business insider 20/4/20 much more up to date. It compares Covid 19 with the worst of the recent years for flu.

The point is that Covid 19 spreads easily, and is more deadly if you do get it. Also this is a NEW VIRUS, we have inbuilt immunity to many of the common forms of flu already. Back to primary biology. 

 

Make up your mind. Either you accept Fauci as a credible source or you don't. If you do, what I wrote did not "interpret" anything. It was a summation of exactly what he said. Here's the relevant passage:

 

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

 

Virology is not an exact science and the pandemic is a moving target. Maybe Dr Fauci will see your funny little graph and realise he was talking through his stethoscope. Until then I'll continue to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

And please don't worry about the lethality of this pesky respiratory virus. The chances of catching it are about two in a million - and 98 percent of all confirmed infected cases make a full recovery.

 

Stay healthy and happy.