UK at 'dangerous' stage, no lockdown exit strategy in sight

[sawadee1947]

38 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Approval Rises for World Leaders Amid Pandemic

Boris Johnson’s approval soars, up nearly 30 points in 10 days

https://morningconsult.com/form/approval-rises-for-world-leaders-amid-pandemic/

From minus 100? 5555

[sawadee1947]

26 minutes ago, sanemax said:

He was ill in hospital with the deadly virus , thats hardly a holiday 

No my dear, he was in his honeymoon when the corona crisis started. And denying it's a threat UK lost 39 days! to act!!! So UK is still suffering from this egomaniac clown 

[sawadee1947]

14 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

 That said , it could have been a lot worse .

    It could  have been Corbyn , as PM , his lover included,

      @ taxpayers exspense ..

 

In this way you're always on the bright side of life... 

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

From minus 100? 5555

Suggest you read the link because clearly your post shows that you haven't

On March 16, when Johnson announced the new response tactics, his net approval stood at +3. By March 24, after a week of bolstered restrictions, his net approval had risen to +30.

[3NUMBAS]

8 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Yes, Leader Sturgeon even told all her citizens not to drink disinfectant or bleach. Shows how highly she regards their intelligence. Sqwark, Sqwark polly-parrot.

 

As the devolved governance of Scotland includes the responsibility for health, including the Scottish lock down, it's her job to.

rab nesbit could give jocks better advice than ella

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

No my dear, he was in his honeymoon when the corona crisis started. And denying it's a threat UK lost 39 days! to act!!! So UK is still suffering from this egomaniac clown 

Wrong my Darling, Boris is engaged , so, he couldnt have been on his honeymoon as he didnt yet get married 

[elliss]

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Wrong my Darling, Boris is engaged , so, he couldnt have been on his honeymoon as he didnt yet get married 

 

      Living in sin , our esteemed PM .

      Do not mention Royals . off topic ..

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by elliss

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, elliss said:

 

      Living in sin , our esteemed PM ..

Sex outside marriage...................appalling 

People shouldnt live together until they get married 

Whats the World coming too these days........................

Page 3 should be banned as well 

[Rookiescot]

Just now, sanemax said:

Sex outside marriage...................appalling 

People shouldnt live together until they get married 

Whats the World coming too these days........................

Page 3 should be banned as well 

How long do you think he will stay with this woman? Given his previous track record.

How many kids does he have by the way. Cant seem to find out.

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

How long do you think he will stay with this woman? Given his previous track record.

How many kids does he have by the way. Cant seem to find out.

5 or 6 kids and I have no idea how long his current relationship will last

[Nigel Garvie]

7 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

She has to tell some people in Scotland not to drink bleach because Scotland has a few idiots in it.

These are the same people who think Brexit is a good idea.

This utter mess in the UK with covid policy was avoidable. We didn't start with a huge problem like the Italian resort did. We had time to look and learn from the way that other European countries had approached the situation. We could have stocked up on PPE yonks ago. 

This is the tragedy of having a political party ruled by an ideology rather than one where leaders at all levels are chosen for ability. This is just as true about Corbynistas as it is about Boris's Brexiteers. If adherence to a holy set of beliefs is the only criteria you end up with the most brainless dross in politics running the country. The utter inadequacy of Boris himself, and his cabinet beggars belief. The Tory party has been reduced from a collection of at least moderately intelligent men, to a shrivelled carcass of inadequates. Patel makes a thicko like Corbyn look like Einstein. 

 

It's a dangerous stage right enough. Not having leaders with the ability to take care of it should frighten even the most brainwashed Bojo fan on this forum.

[sawadee1947]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Suggest you read the link because clearly your post shows that you haven't

On March 16, when Johnson announced the new response tactics, his net approval stood at +3. By March 24, after a week of bolstered restrictions, his net approval had risen to +30.

March 16....Comparing to developed EU countries far too late. The result: 158.347 corona cases in this minute, more than well organised Germany,

[sawadee1947]

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

Wrong my Darling, Boris is engaged , so, he couldnt have been on his honeymoon as he didnt yet get married 

Oh, I didn't want to use a more familiar word. Anyway he didn't care about corona nor his country but himself. 

[473geo]

Uk is doing fine, they are on target to relax controls end of May - clearly the targets to achieve this must  be met, until that situation is confirmed at the correct time, predictions are pure guesswork

 

So for now we are on track - good enough for most seeking a resolution - not for those that seek to make political gain - nothing unusual in that

Edited April 27, 2020 by 473geo

[vinny41]

4 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

March 16....Comparing to developed EU countries far too late. The result: 158.347 corona cases in this minute, more than well organised Germany,

Germany is more than the UK 158,434 for Germany verus 157,149 for the UK

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Edited April 27, 2020 by vinny41
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[Nigel Garvie]

33 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Germany is more than the UK 158,434 for Germany verus 157,149 for the UK

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

As things stand maybe, but we are not over the worst stage yet, and Germany is. Of course it also has a much larger population.

[Logosone]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Germany is more than the UK 158,434 for Germany verus 157,149 for the UK

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Because Germany tested more they found a little more a little more quickly.

 

But well done to the UK for understanding, belatedly, that testing is the way to go and by all accounts the UK is now testing considerably more than before. That is most important.

 

Though the identified case numbers are similar the UK will no doubt still not be happy with its performance, given that 6126 died in Germany but 21157 in the UK.

 

What is the reason for this 71% higher mortality rate in the UK? 

 

Is it just because the NHS is a lot worse than the German health system, all due to clinical management?

[johnnybangkok]

7 hours ago, 473geo said:

Uk is doing fine, they are on target to relax controls end of May - clearly the targets to achieve this must  be met, until that situation is confirmed at the correct time, predictions are pure guesswork

 

So for now we are on track - good enough for most seeking a resolution - not for those that seek to make political gain - nothing unusual in that

You have got to be kidding.

The WHO declares C19 a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (the highest alert it can issue) on the 30th January which in turn has procedures and recommendations that should be adhered to (https://www.who.int/ihr/procedures/pheic/en/). Boris and co. completely ignored this with the 'herd immunity' debacle.

All through February, numbers kept climbing with Italy closing towns by the end of February. What was Boris doing? Well Boris went to England v Wales rugby match at Twickenham on 7 March.

The WHO declared Covid a pandemic on the 11th March but it still took Boris and the Tories until the 18 March to announce the closure of all schools until further noticed, with pubs and restaurants ordered to shut on 20 March. Everything since then has just been one bad judgement and phony excuse after the other. The lack of PPE for essential workers (despite having supposedly stockpiled this from 2009), the lack of testing (they are still nowhere near the magic 100k per day tests), the lack of ventilators (letting someone like Dyson - who has never made a ventilator, but has given plenty of money to Brexit a chance over others), not sourcing essential equipment through the EU when they had a chance and generally just mishandling everything possible. They even now still haven't closed the UK's borders like almost every other country in the world. It's an absolute debacle which in normal/better times would should have ensured Boris's resignation.

I know it's difficult for Brexit fans to criticise their beloved leader but these are 2 very seperate things and should be viewed very differently to each other; because you like him for Brexit does not mean you should like him for the C19 crisis. He and his government have benn simply shocking and have directly contributed to the huge numbers of deaths. Heads need to roll once this all dies down and Boris should be first.

Edited April 28, 2020 by johnnybangkok

[Logosone]

21 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

The WHO declared Covid a pandemic on the 11th March but it still took Boris and the Tories until the 18 March to announce the closure of all schools until further noticed, with pubs and restaurants ordered to shut on 20 March. They even now still haven't closed the UK's borders like almost every other country in the world. It's an absolute debacle which in normal/better times would should have ensured Boris's resignation.

I know it's difficult for Brexit fans to criticise their beloved leader but these are 2 very seperate things and should be viewed very differently to each other; because you like him for Brexit does not mean you should like him for the C19 crisis. He and his government have benn simply shocking and have directly contributed to the huge numbers of deaths. Heads need to roll once this all dies down and Boris should be first.

I understand the criticism of BJ, he has not done great. However, in context, Merkel did not close Germany for flights until 17 March. All Western governments were slow. Much slower than the Chinese.

 

I wonder if now closing airports makes any difference anymore, WHO says it never did.

 

Still BJ should not have abdicated to the "experts" the way he did. When Neil Ferguson just accepted tests would not be available, because PHE said so, BJ should have checked why and had UK biotech companies make the tests, which they were offering to do. However, hindsight is 20/20.

[sawadee1947]

6 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Germany is more than the UK 158,434 for Germany verus 157,149 for the UK

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Next time please read carefully! "In this minute'.

Also in this minute only a handful difference in cases but look at the death rate. A very huge difference. More than 3 times more people had to die because of that idiotic PM

[vinny41]

57 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Next time please read carefully! "In this minute'.

Also in this minute only a handful difference in cases but look at the death rate. A very huge difference. More than 3 times more people had to die because of that idiotic PM

It you that needs to read as you will see the results as of now this second are 157,149 for the UK you figures are meaningless without a link

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

In the UK we have a PM that was voted in by the people what do you have in Ireland a PM that was defeated in the last election but still in power, how many times do Irish people need to vote in election before there vote is accepted. 2 votes for Lisbon treaty because the Irish voters voted the wrong way on the 1st vote, who knows maybe a 2nd election as they voted for the wrong party this year.

Edited April 28, 2020 by vinny41
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[sawadee1947]

17 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

How long do you think he will stay with this woman? Given his previous track record.

How many kids does he have by the way. Cant seem to find out.

If You got enough money you can go fathering around. Even Royals are good in it. You stay in Thailand? 

[3NUMBAS]

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