Don Mueang roars back to life

[Brunolem]

21 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Trump supporter for sure.

Don't worry, these deplorables will be taken care of.

 

They have already lost their jobs, and soon they will be sent to an Amazon warehouse, to be dehumanized...

[Mavideol]

41 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

No, it's one meter.

 

Yard? Inch? When will some people stop using these archaic units ??

There are International Standards for units, and for length/distance it's meter.

Thailand use this system, as most of world countries...

you are looking for trouble, the people on the other side of la manche will not let you off the hook 555

[thequietman]

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

you don't go to the pub much

Nah, he just likes to copy and paste and then come off all smart and stuff. ????

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/30/five-facts-suggest-lockdown-mistake/

[Swimfan]

4 hours ago, PerkinsCuthbert said:

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from Covid-19. The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies.

In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that.

For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000. Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed Covid-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.

Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding. We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City, the hotbed of Covid-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18 years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent. Even for people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized. Of 4,103 confirmed Covid-19 patients with symptoms bad enough to seek medical care, Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Medical Center concluded “age is far and away the strongest risk factor for hospitalization.” Even early WHO reports noted that 80 percent of all cases were mild, and more recent studies show a far more widespread rate of infection and lower rate of serious illness.

Half of all people testing positive for infection have no symptoms at all. The vast majority of younger, otherwise healthy people do not need significant medical care if they catch this infection.

Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem. We know from decades of medical science that infection itself allows people to generate an immune response – antibodies – so that the infection is controlled throughout the population by “herd immunity.”

Indeed, that is the main purpose of widespread immunization in other viral diseases – to assist with population immunity. In this virus, we know that medical care is not even necessary for the vast majority of people who are infected. It is so mild that half of infected people are asymptomatic, shown in early data from the Diamond Princess ship, and then in Iceland and Italy.

That has been falsely portrayed as a problem requiring mass isolation. In fact, infected people without severe illness are the immediately available vehicle for establishing widespread immunity. By transmitting the virus to others in the low-risk group who then generate antibodies, they block the network of pathways toward the most vulnerable people, ultimately ending the threat. Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing.

Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections. Critical health care for millions of Americans is being ignored and people are dying to accommodate “potential” Covid-19 patients and for fear of spreading the disease. Most states and many hospitals abruptly stopped “nonessential” procedures and surgery. That prevented diagnoses of life-threatening diseases, like cancer screening, biopsies of tumors now undiscovered and potentially deadly brain aneurysms. Treatments, including emergency care, for the most serious illnesses were also missed. Cancer patients deferred chemotherapy. An estimated 80 per cent of brain surgery cases were skipped. Acute stroke and heart attack patients missed their only chances for treatment, some dying and many now facing permanent disability. 

Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures. The overwhelming evidence all over the world consistently shows that a clearly defined group – older people and others with underlying conditions – is more likely to have a serious illness requiring hospitalization and more likely to die from Covid-19. Knowing that, it is a commonsense, achievable goal to target isolation policy to that group, including strictly monitoring those who interact with them. Nursing home residents, the highest risk, should be the most straightforward to systematically protect from infected people, given that they already live in confined places with highly restricted entry.

Not more Fake News????

[GreasyFingers]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

Actually it is one yard and four inches, with a tolerance of one inch...

You could have been more specific and included the decimals.

[GreasyFingers]

1 hour ago, Pattaya46 said:

Yard? Inch? When will some people stop using these archaic units ?

You had better talk to Trump.

[runamok27]

7 hours ago, tyga said:

cobblers. If he was that much of an expert, why is on here and not working for an organization fighting the virus? No real expert claims to have all the answers but apparently he does...

He was quoting the experts, he never claimed to be an expert.

[timendres]

10 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

14 hours ago, PerkinsCuthbert said:

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from Covid-19. The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent....................................................................

Trump supporter for sure.

I believe you may be the first to suggest that Trump supporters are well versed on studies published by Stanford University.

[timendres]

11 hours ago, DrTuner said:

Yup, looks roaring alright.

 

To compare, here's roaring 20's:

I would swear that I saw this guy in Nana just before the lockdown:

[SMEinBangkok]

18 hours ago, graemeaylward said:

Looks more like a whimper to me!  

Fact 1.  Nobody wants to travel by plane at the moment.

Fact 2.  Nobody has the money to travel at the moment.

Fact 3.  13 Flights out of 17 cancelled is hardly a roaring success.

Fact 4.  The ticket machines are not 2 metres apart, social distance.

Fact 5.  The 2 members of Air Asia staff pictured in the photo of the machines are not 2 metres apart.

Fact 6.  PerkinsCuthbert is talking out of his backside and should spout his rubbish to all those who have lost loved ones due to this terrible contagious virus!  Then he would realise how dangerous it is!

You sound hysterical to me.  Hope you find a way to come to terms with your fear and the negative emotions that it naturally produces.  Like many similar-thinking people you try to mask it, but "Fact 6" gave you away.  I don't know a single person who's even been sick from it, much less died.  Using your logic I should deny virus' existence and lethality, which I don't.

[KC 71]

17 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

No, it's one meter.

 

Yard? Inch? When will some people stop using these archaic units ??

There are International Standards for units, and for length/distance it's meter.

Thailand use this system, as most of world countries...

I dont know eh.........

’give em an inch and they take a yard’ ????

[mtls2005]

21 hours ago, PerkinsCuthbert said:

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from Covid-19. The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies.

 

Proper attribution...

 

The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation

 

The tragedy of the COVID-19 pandemic appears to be entering the containment phase. Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts. Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.

 

Five key facts are being ignored by those calling for continuing the near-total lockdown.

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

 

 

[ChristianBlessing]

On 4/30/2020 at 11:22 PM, PerkinsCuthbert said:

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from Covid-19. The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies.

In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that.

For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000. Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed Covid-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.

That Stanford study arrived at that rate of infection using "crude case" fatality rates which are calculated by simply dividing the number of deaths by the number of confirmed cases. And confirming those cases is entirely dependent upon reliable testing. Antibody testing has been proven to be far too unreliable. The CDC reports both known Covid-19 deaths and deaths from all causes, which have shown possibly correlative spikes in those regions with the highest rates of infection, indicating that far more deaths may have resulted from undetected Covid-19 infections than previously suspected. 

 

France, Belgium and the UK are reporting rates (observed) of 15%, which comport more closely with projections by WHO.