Trump administration pushing to rip global supply chains from China: officials

[Dumbastheycome]

2 hours ago, CaptRon2 said:

President Trumps early travel restrictions saved countless lives and his response has been stellar.

President Trump’s does not need to deflect on this, it is a strong point for the Republicans and a the behavior of the Democrats is what will lead to their losing the House to as more of their shortcomings are exposed.

Holding a foreign country accountable for their actions is to be commended not criticized, and since you have already stated unity and cooperation are what is needed perhaps you should be supporting the duly elected President of your country, instead of pandering to the country that cause this global crisis.

Trump's travel restrictions on Chinese citzens  travel to the US did little in effect because thousands of people exited  China into the US carrying the infection anyway. Lauding it as success is pointless.

It was not a deliberate mistake but a failed political point score.

Now the Trump administration is teetering  on the back foot and desperate to  divert attention from the catastrophic failure to demonstrate meaningful  co ordination.

The unsubstantiated accusations of blame which even Pompeo has willingly  contradicted himself are symptoms of a regime which denies it's own accountability in the pursuit of distraction. The less than subtle condonement and encouragement of civil disobedience in a declared  "state of  emergency" so declared by Trump on the  basis of "war" on a pandemic is a blatant example.

Now the focus is to direct the attention of that internal unrest on China.

The illusion and delusion being attempted is that magically the US will surface almost immediately to a position it has been losing for more than a decade in most aspects and in Trump's term so far has even lost any standing of  genuine respect. The sad fact is that most Asian countries including China have not suffered to the same degree as the US and  some European  countries. While the trade disruptions between China and the US that were ongoing did little in long term benefit either way it seems  conveniently ignored that of China's output over 70 % went to places other than the US.

The only way Trump can meaningfully disrupt China is to escalate the threat of a military blockade touting Taiwan as a pearl to be saved. Given that the CCP are intractable in defense policies and as unaccountable as the Trump administration has become I hold little hope for Taiwan and find it sad that the world will inevitably suffer more by becoming embroiled.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[billd766]

5 hours ago, unamazedloso said:

Why do so many defend china when the writings on the wall? Chinese people living in other countries will verify this that they aint a friend so why support their growth at the cost of your own? Makes sense!

How about because companies are in business to make a profit for themselves and their shareholders.

 

To make a gadget in country A will cost x amount of $ and yield a profit of Y amount. However if country B can make the same item at a lower cost including freight then the company is likely to go to country B and sell the gadget at the same price and make more profit.

 

If you don't understand that, then find out where Apple gets its I Phones made and why it went there in the first place.

 

Of course Apple could make them in the USA but fewer people would buy them as they will be much more expensive.

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

How about because companies are in business to make a profit for themselves and their shareholders.

 

To make a gadget in country A will cost x amount of $ and yield a profit of Y amount. However if country B can make the same item at a lower cost including freight then the company is likely to go to country B and sell the gadget at the same price and make more profit.

 

If you don't understand that, then find out where Apple gets its I Phones made and why it went there in the first place.

 

Of course Apple could make them in the USA but fewer people would buy them as they will be much more expensive.

Economics 101.

[jcsmith]

4 hours ago, nausea said:

A losing battle, if you ask me. It's only a matter of time before China becomes the preeminent force in the world, assuming they don't implode as happened with the USSR, hence the emphasis on social stability overriding all other concerns. These are dangerous times. The question is, can a declining power with unrivalled military might (for now) give up the crown gracefully.

I can't say I agree with this. China will certainly continue to rise. But I can't imagine the world simply going along with their human rights violations. It doesn't help that Trump has made the U.S. a very questionable partner, he's actually aiding China. But people realize what Xi is. Trump will be gone soon enough.

Edited May 5, 2020 by jcsmith

[frenetic]

25 minutes ago, billd766 said:

How about because companies are in business to make a profit for themselves and their shareholders.

 

To make a gadget in country A will cost x amount of $ and yield a profit of Y amount. However if country B can make the same item at a lower cost including freight then the company is likely to go to country B and sell the gadget at the same price and make more profit.

 

If you don't understand that, then find out where Apple gets its I Phones made and why it went there in the first place.

 

Of course Apple could make them in the USA but fewer people would buy them as they will be much more expensive.

Yes. This is true. But for certain items, security considerations apply. Such as those things that will protect a country in the event of a pandemic. The extra cost is worth it. But for most things it makes no sense. Blaming China for the way workers are treated in the USA is a deflection.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, CaptRon2 said:

Nice misrepresentation of statistics, addressing the deaths.

If you would like a more realistic picture and take in the fact we have a much bigger population we are ranked 9th in per capita. 

So while you are saying my post is deluded, yours simply misleading, as is you taking statements out of context

How is quoting real data misleading? What statements are taken out of context? BTW, a favorite tactic of politicians: " I was taken out of context ".

If you would like to go for a per capita comparison, the USA has 211 deaths per million population. Australia and New Zealand, 4 per million each. If that doesn't tell you something about the relative quality of response and leadership, nothing will.

[scorecard]

58 minutes ago, car720 said:

Because the main motivator of the entire human race is greed.

And no doubt some research would easily reveal plenty of examples of scaly products and dangerous products made in the USA ans sold to US citizens, and some exported. 

[bluesofa]

5 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Because its cheap and companies can make good profits on the <deleted> goods.

regards Worgeordie

They are cheap, but the quality and product life are both appalling.

[JCauto]

Want things to be better with trade? Here's an idea - stop letting people transport and make things for an artificially low cost.

 

Why do I say "artificially low cost"? Because until we account for the cost of removing the pollution from transport, it's another example of the "tragedy of the commons", whereby those who are able to do so gain an economic benefit while the negative impacts of that benefit are passed along to the rest of society or the natural environment. When Bangladeshi garment factories need to pay the full cost of their raw supplies and to send their finished goods to market, then it becomes more attractive to build the clothing factories closer to the place the clothes are sold and transfer those costs to the wages of the people nearby (and yes, of course, the costs will go up too).

When this principle is applied to all goods and services, then it provides a market incentive to localize and diversify supply chains and move the added value closer to the market where people pay for the goods. Once again, the "Black Swan" of the COVID-19 virus has blown up the conventional wisdom of globalization and economies of scale by demonstrating their inherent vulnerability and how the real (albeit rare) mega-risk event has been removed from macro-level economic decisions.

 

It actually would be smart for the Right to embrace Climate Change as a reason to advocate for a more nationalized economy and supply chain for food security and economic prosperity. Of course, they won't because they refuse to allow something they can't control like science and expert knowledge to interfere with political decisions.

 

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

Common sense ?

 

People don't understand that buying Chinese products is not as cheap as it seems. And certainly not if people in your own country are unemployed and have no money to spend. 

 

Bringing production back to your own country is a very good idea.

 

 

 

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People don't understand that buying Chinese products is not as cheap as it seems. And certainly not if people in your own country are unemployed and have no money to spend. ...."

 

Tell that to the corporation owners who make the decisions to produce offshore rather than the customers who have no say in where the product is produced.

 

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by scorecard

[Estrada]

6 hours ago, Curt1591 said:

The United States has numerous food, cosmetic, herbicidal and other dangerous products that are banned in the EU and many other countries. For instance, chlorinated chicken, asbestos in baby powder (Johnson & Johnson). Monsanto: Agent Orange, Dioxin, Polychlorinated bibhenyls(PCBs), Alachor, Roundup, Penncap-M and Dicamba. Across a span of cosmetics, including makeup, toothpaste and shampoo, to items ranging from household cleaners to fruit juice to cheese, hundreds of potentially harmful ingredients banned in the EU are legally allowed in the US.

[Lacessit]

20 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Tell that to the corporation owners who make the decisions to produce offshore rather than the customers who have no say in where the product is produced.

 

 

Customers do have a say, if they are not buying a product, with their buying decision based on where that product comes from.

Customers don't usually care where a product comes from. That could well change, because everyone knows where COVID-19 came from.

[sandyf]

6 hours ago, CaptRon2 said:

Holding a foreign country accountable for their actions is to be commended not criticized,

Absolutely spot on.

When holding the US to account it would be difficult to know where to start, Trump probably thinks agent orange works for the CIA.

[bwanajohn]

Wow  a state controlled economy in the USA what happened to the free market...have to say I've never seen this turn out well.

I've had 40 years experience as a buyer for many companies across the globe...rarely did buy from China but this I do know ...China did not give us radioactive dry wall or poisonous dog food or tools that broke the first time you used them. They offered this <deleted> for sale with the potential for huge profits by US and other companies based not in China but in our own countries owned by our own citizens and those companies went for it with full on. At the same time our countries gov'ts deregulated ,removing testing standards etc  and defunding the inspection processes . Yeah China was complicit in this but only as much as we allowed them to be. A few folks got very very rich and a whole lot of folks got fxcked.

Trumps plan won't fix this  because he and his buddies are incapable of doing anything that isn't self serving .There the same ones who made fortunes buying radioactive drywall and poisoned dog food.

That being said the Democrats won't fix it nor will any other country's government unless you have a government not controlled by the top 1%. 

[Isaan sailor]

Amazing how many China apologists on this thread.  At least now we can see you.

Thailand has a chance to pick up some huge supply business from China.  However, there's the issue with the overpriced Baht that could derail them.

[scorecard]

9 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Amazing how many China apologists on this thread.  At least now we can see you.

Thailand has a chance to pick up some huge supply business from China.  However, there's the issue with the overpriced Baht that could derail them.

I don't mind being seen.

[White Christmas13]

40 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

As the expression goes - do not trust China.  China is azzhole. 

Look in your own backyard

[Emdog]

"The U.S. government is working with Australia, India, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea and Vietnam to "move the global economy forward," Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said April 29."

One of "the great negotiator's" first acts was to pull out of TPP. Imagine if US had stayed, worked out aka negotiated areas of disagreement rather than just take it's toys and go home. Nice move Donald.

And US industries "groaning" under paying tariffs? And where does the cash to pay for the tariffs come from, who pays for them? American consumers

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, Thailand said:

I think China currently has the upper hand and have spent the last few months seeking alternative markets until this imbecile is removed from office and common sense prevails.

It is the administration clutching at deflection straws to appease the declining voter base.

 

Sadly Biden does not create confidence either but then you get what you deserve.

 

Agree about Biden not creating confidence. But he's a China apologist. He'll roll over for Xi. Hunter might even get some directorships on the quiet!

[Baerboxer]

6 minutes ago, Emdog said:

"The U.S. government is working with Australia, India, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea and Vietnam to "move the global economy forward," Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said April 29."

One of "the great negotiator's" first acts was to pull out of TPP. Imagine if US had stayed, worked out aka negotiated areas of disagreement rather than just take it's toys and go home. Nice move Donald.

And US industries "groaning" under paying tariffs? And where does the cash to pay for the tariffs come from, who pays for them? American consumers

 

Good luck with that! Japan, Australia, SK and NZ ain't ever gonna be cheap overseas suppliers for anyone. India has never filled expectations, and still can't come close to China; and for good reasons.

 

USA would've been wise to develop supply chains in South America and not just Mexico. 

 

Seen a lot of social media activity advocating "Buy British" on FB etc. (Quite funny to see some British Asians steadfastly encouraging others to Buy British only 555). Only all the supply chains, most of the businesses and skills were outsourced overseas many years ago. Even if you re-established them the prices would be considerably higher. 

 

Globalization has changed the world. Trying to change it back is gonna give people some big shocks.

 

 

[frenetic]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Agree about Biden not creating confidence. But he's a China apologist. He'll roll over for Xi. Hunter might even get some directorships on the quiet!

In About-Face on Trade, Trump Vows to Protect ZTE Jobs in China

Trump vows to save ZTE, protect Chinese manufacturing jobs after crippling US sanctions

‘Too many jobs lost in China,’ the president tweeted about the Chinese phone maker facing financial ruin following a US ban

https://medium.com/shanghaiist/trump-vows-to-save-zte-protect-chinese-manufacturing-jobs-after-us-sanctions-18f0096ae850

Funny. About that same time Ivanka was getting trademarks granted to her at a record pace by the Chinese government.

 

 

 

[Sujo]

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

And stop trying to put up the facade that you are more expert than dozens of world class global people who know 100 times more than you do, but some (in your administration) afraid to speak because they fear your unbalanced retribution. 

What are you on about. My administration, australia, has nothing to do with US companies chosing to operate from china instead of the US. How on earth are china to blame for where a US company decides to operate.

 

Blame trump for that. Make china great again.

[metisdead]

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[frenetic]

Just now, Sujo said:

What are you on about. My administration, australia, has nothing to do with US companies chosing to operate from china instead of the US. How on earth are china to blame for where a US company decides to operate.

 

Blame trump for that. Make china great again.

At first I wondered about what why he was slagging you. But then I realized that he was actually addressing President Trump. At least I hope I got that right.

[Sujo]

9 minutes ago, frenetic said:

In About-Face on Trade, Trump Vows to Protect ZTE Jobs in China

Trump vows to save ZTE, protect Chinese manufacturing jobs after crippling US sanctions

‘Too many jobs lost in China,’ the president tweeted about the Chinese phone maker facing financial ruin following a US ban

https://medium.com/shanghaiist/trump-vows-to-save-zte-protect-chinese-manufacturing-jobs-after-us-sanctions-18f0096ae850

Funny. About that same time Ivanka was getting trademarks granted to her at a record pace by the Chinese government.

 

 

 

Well if ivanka can get those highly sought after chinese trademarks im sure its ok if hunter gets a bit of work.

[metisdead]

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[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

Amazing how many China apologists on this thread.  At least now we can see you.

Thailand has a chance to pick up some huge supply business from China.  However, there's the issue with the overpriced Baht that could derail them.

Makes one wonder why the US has sunk so low that people trust china more than the US. Doesnt take much guesswork, but the next pres has a lot of fixing to do.

[scorecard]

15 minutes ago, Sujo said:

What are you on about. My administration, australia, has nothing to do with US companies chosing to operate from china instead of the US. How on earth are china to blame for where a US company decides to operate.

 

Blame trump for that. Make china great again.

I agree.

[mrfill]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Absolutely spot on.

When holding the US to account it would be difficult to know where to start, Trump probably thinks agent orange works for the CIA.

How about starting with the 2008 crash, caused by US banks. Caused a financial pandemic that cost trillions.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

Globalization has changed the world. Trying to change it back is gonna give people some big shocks.

Globalization only changed the world for big corporations and is a western concept. China is smarter in practicing global engagement without losing control of their domestic political control. They will also much more sustainable than the western globalization.