In leaked call, Obama describes Trump handling of virus as chaotic

[KKr]

10 hours ago, simple1 said:

Plus the loser walked out of a WH press conference yesterday  - leadership LOL

well, of course he did, all his friends are allowed to ask questions.
but who do these tbgbtp female reporters think they are to question the President of Dump-Land

[pineapple01]

Clint Eastwood sums Obama n Pelosi up perfectly.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Almost certainly false.

What's "almost certainly false". Changing demographics? OK then, maybe in your alternate universe it is but not here on planet Earth. 

And I love how you speak on behalf of today's youth. Shows clearly how well and truly "grounded" you are.

[ChouDoufu]

this is an interesting suggestion from the trump regime:

 

a proposal from american enterprise inst. and hoover inst., would allow americans to take some of their retirement benefits now.  i suppose it's being brought up in case that $1200 stimulus isn't enough to survive the closures.  i'd definitely consider it.  $5k now as opposed to (me speculating) nothing in the future, or benefit year advanced to 70 or 72?

 

Trump may let workers take Social Security benefits early in exchange for reduced payments later. Retirement advocate calls it ‘harebrained idea’

 

One proposal the White House is reportedly considering calls for letting Americans take up to $5,000 from Social Security now in exchange for delaying their benefits in the future.

 

The $5,000 would be structured as a loan with a government-set interest rate that would reimburse the Social Security trust fund with interest. Individuals who opt into the program would pay that money back when they start collecting Social Security benefits. Their first checks would go toward repaying the loan, for a period of up to three months. After that, they would receive normal benefits.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/11/trump-may-let-workers-take-social-security-early-for-reduced-payments-later.html

[metisdead]

An off topic post about the Mueller report has been removed. 

[Thomas J]

On 5/10/2020 at 8:26 AM, rooster59 said:

Barack Obama described President Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic as "chaotic"

Now just how has Trumps response been any more or less chaotic than any of the rest of the countries.  If you remember Trump was blasted for stopping air travel between the USA and China on Jan 31 as over reacting.  On March 12 he extended that ban to all of Europe.  Did Obama blast Cuomo who in New York issued a decree that nursing home 'MUST" admit Covid patients back.  And of course New York under is leadership has only 5.6% of the total population of the USA but 26.5% of its deaths.  But then again since Cuomo is a Democrat I am sure he is praising Cuomo's handling 

[Sujo]

16 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

this is an interesting suggestion from the trump regime:

 

a proposal from american enterprise inst. and hoover inst., would allow americans to take some of their retirement benefits now.  i suppose it's being brought up in case that $1200 stimulus isn't enough to survive the closures.  i'd definitely consider it.  $5k now as opposed to (me speculating) nothing in the future, or benefit year advanced to 70 or 72?

 

Trump may let workers take Social Security benefits early in exchange for reduced payments later. Retirement advocate calls it ‘harebrained idea’

 

One proposal the White House is reportedly considering calls for letting Americans take up to $5,000 from Social Security now in exchange for delaying their benefits in the future.

 

The $5,000 would be structured as a loan with a government-set interest rate that would reimburse the Social Security trust fund with interest. Individuals who opt into the program would pay that money back when they start collecting Social Security benefits. Their first checks would go toward repaying the loan, for a period of up to three months. After that, they would receive normal benefits.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/11/trump-may-let-workers-take-social-security-early-for-reduced-payments-later.html

Australia already has.

 

Can withdraw $10000 now and another $10000 in the new financial year at end of july.

 

Tax free.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, Thomas J said:

Now just how has Trumps response been any more or less chaotic than any of the rest of the countries.  If you remember Trump was blasted for stopping air travel between the USA and China on Jan 31 as over reacting.  On March 12 he extended that ban to all of Europe.  Did Obama blast Cuomo who in New York issued a decree that nursing home 'MUST" admit Covid patients back.  And of course New York under is leadership has only 5.6% of the total population of the USA but 26.5% of its deaths.  But then again since Cuomo is a Democrat I am sure he is praising Cuomo's handling 

He didnt stop air travel from china. He did not extend it to all of europe.

 

 

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

If you remember Trump was blasted for stopping air travel between the USA and China on Jan 31 as over reacting

Fake news. He was not blasted for the China travel ban but for the other travel ban (Nigeria, etc...), which had nothing to do with the coronavirus.

[ChouDoufu]

6 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Now just how has Trumps response been any more or less chaotic than any of the rest of the countries.  If you remember Trump was blasted for stopping air travel between the USA and China on Jan 31 as over reacting.  On March 12 he extended that ban to all of Europe.  Did Obama blast Cuomo who in New York issued a decree that nursing home 'MUST" admit Covid patients back.  And of course New York under is leadership has only 5.6% of the total population of the USA but 26.5% of its deaths.  But then again since Cuomo is a Democrat I am sure he is praising Cuomo's handling 

the bbc (approved news source) attempts to answer that question:

 

Coronavirus: The lost six weeks when US failed to contain outbreak

 

Having watched Asian and European countries struggle against Covid-19, the US was slow to ramp up testing and order its residents to stay at home. We look at this crucial time period and what exactly was done to prevent the outbreak.

Produced by the BBC's Franz Strasser, narrated by Hannah Long-Higgins

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-52622037/coronavirus-the-lost-six-weeks-when-us-failed-to-contain-outbreak

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by ChouDoufu

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

If you remember Trump was blasted for stopping air travel between the USA and China on Jan 31 as over reacting. 

 

Maybe you better provide some evidence of just who was doing the blasting?  As Candide has referenced above.

 

There's been a concerted effort by some Republicans to knowingly and falsely claim senior Democrats were critical of the China CV travel restriction at that time. They were not, generally speaking.

 

Republicans have been dredging up quotes by senior Democrats at that time that referred to an entirely different Trump policy at that time, announcing U.S. Immigration restrictions from a number of mostly non-white countries.

 

That's what all the quoted Democratic comments are about, which had nothing to do with CV and Trump's China air travel policy. It's easy to go back and source the original quotes, and see just exactly what they were talking about, and it wasn't China-CV.

 

The more telling and accurate history in that regard is that Dem. Senate Minority Leader Schumer from NY back in late Jan. publicly called for the administration to declare a national state of emergency over CV.... 

 

Trump didn't get around to making such a declaration until 6 weeks later in mid March. Time and opportunity wasted, as has been the entire story of the CV response under Trump.

Edited May 12, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Mama Noodle]

13 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Dem. Senate Minority Leader Schumer from NY back in late Jan. publicly called for the administration to declare a national state of emergency over CV.... 

 

Schumer did not call for a National State of Emergency over the China Virus in January. 

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Schumer did not call for a National State of Emergency over the China Virus in January. 

26 January he asked for declaration of public health emergency

 

https://www.schumer.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/schumer-reveals-cdc-cannot-access-rapid-response-dollars-that-can-help-stop-potentially-deadly-coronavirus-until-feds-declare-official-public-health-emergency-senator-urges-feds-to-make-the-declaration-now-so-cdc-can-unlock-tens-of-millions-in-the-proactive-war-to-beat-back-spread-

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

26 January he asked for declaration of public health emergency

 

Correct, and thats much different than a "National State of Emergency". 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

25 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Schumer did not call for a National State of Emergency over the China Virus in January. 

 

https://www.schumer.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/schumer-reveals-cdc-cannot-access-rapid-response-dollars-that-can-help-stop-potentially-deadly-coronavirus-until-feds-declare-official-public-health-emergency-senator-urges-feds-to-make-the-declaration-now-so-cdc-can-unlock-tens-of-millions-in-the-proactive-war-to-beat-back-spread-

 

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01.26.20

Schumer: Declare Coronavirus A Public Health Emergency Now So CDC Can Have More Fed Funds At The Ready 

 That is why, today, I am urging HHS to follow the CDC’s proactive lead: declare a formal public health emergency for the coronavirus. In doing so, HHS will unlock tens of millions for the CDC to access.”  

 

 

https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/coronavirus-should-prompt-state-emergency-ny-senator-says

 

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NEW YORK CITY — New York Senator Charles Schumer demanded the government declare a public health emergency as the fifth confirmed case of the deadly coronavirus was found in the U.S.

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Declaring a public emergency would make millions of dollars of federal money available to fight the outbreak.

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Mama Noodle]

Apparently people on the left do not know the difference between a "National State of Emergency" VS "Public Health Emergency"

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

24 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Correct, and thats much different than a "National State of Emergency". 

 

You wanna play word game semantics... Schumer was addressing the coming CV crisis while Trump was ignoring it and claiming nothing was going to happen. Heading toward 100,000 dead Americans proves just how deadly wrong Trump was about that.'

 

The federal declaration Schumer was seeking at the time would have freed up additional federal funds to prepare for what at the time was the approaching CV pandemic. Trump did nothing, no declaration was made at the federal level until mid March, and time and opportunity was wasted.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Apparently people on the left do not know the difference between a "National State of Emergency" VS "Public Health Emergency"

Apparently right wingers love to play semantics in stead of taking action.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

More right-wing attempts to create and promote a patently false history of the bungled U.S. CV response in an effort to sanitize the sh** show Trump has left behind.

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Mama Noodle]

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You wanna play word game semantics... Schumer was addressing the coming CV crisis while Trump was ignoring it and claiming nothing was going to happen. Heading toward 100,000 dead Americans proves just how deadly wrong Trump was about that.'

 

The federal declaration Schumer was seeking at the time would have freed up additional federal funds to prepare for what at the time was the approaching CV pandemic. Trump did nothing, no declaration was made at the federal level, and time and opportunity was wasted.

 

Just admit you were wrong and didn't do your research. Fact Check time!

 

 You stated:

 

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The more telling and accurate history in that regard is that Dem. Senate Minority Leader Schumer from NY back in late Jan. publicly called for the administration to declare a national state of emergency over CV.... 

 

Trump didn't get around to making such a declaration until 6 weeks later in mid March. Time and opportunity wasted, as has been the entire story of the CV response under Trump.

 

What really happened:

 

Around the same time (JANUARY 31!!) not only did Trump Admin declare a Public Health Emergency, he went even further and placed travel restrictions on the Chinese. 

 

Trump Declares Coronavirus A Public Health Emergency And Restricts Travel From China

 

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The declaration of a public health emergency — which will become effective Sunday at 5 p.m. ET — enables the government to take temporary measures to contain the spread of the virus, which has been confirmed in seven people in the U.S.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/31/801686524/trump-declares-coronavirus-a-public-health-emergency-and-restricts-travel-from-c

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Trump Declares Coronavirus A Public Health Emergency And Restricts Travel From China

 

 

I stand corrected... thank you.... So Trump finally did act a week after Schumer on the 26th had called for a public health emergency.

 

But Trump still didn't declare a national emergency until mid March after many weeks of denying the CV was going to become any major problem for the U.S.

 

Time wasted and opportunity lost. 

 

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he went even further and placed travel restrictions on the Chinese. 

 

And then didn't do anything for the rest of the world's countries until he finally got around to declaring the European restrictions, long after many travelers from there had had the opportunity to import the virus to the East Coast.

Edited May 12, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[RANGER55]

7 hours ago, Tug said:

Stop it lol I almost had a accident I was laughing so hard there have been no hoaxes there’s reason for each and every investigation of trump he has succeeded in intimidation of almost all involved he’s in such deep trouble over his incompetence that he’s trying another distraction by smearing a better man and btw this imo is going to blow up in his face 

Wrong, obviously you are behind on the news. All the classified transcripts were released the last couple of days. Not a single person said under oath they had any evidence of Russian collusion by the Trump administration, not one. That’s over 60 people interviewed behind closed doors. Not a one said they had any evidence of Russian collusion by the administration. They had to admit once asked, there is no evidence. One even went as far as to say, well I heard it on the news.

As why Obama decided to come out now, one of the documents showed he was involved in the Russian hoax from the beginning. More classified documents to come into the open soon. All those people, Brennan, Clapper, Comey and the rest that went on CNN, MSNBC saying they had evidence were lying to the world.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, RANGER55 said:

Wrong, obviously you are behind on the news. All the classified transcripts were released the last couple of days. Not a single person said under oath they had any evidence of Russian collusion by the Trump administration, not one. That’s over 60 people interviewed behind closed doors. Not a one said they had any evidence of Russian collusion by the administration. They had to admit once asked, there is no evidence. One even went as far as to say, well I heard it on the news.

As why Obama decided to come out now, one of the documents showed he was involved in the Russian hoax from the beginning. More classified documents to come into the open soon. All those people, Brennan, Clapper, Comey and the rest that went on CNN, MSNBC saying they had evidence were lying to the world.

They dont have to admit it. Its been proved. Junior and his sycophants had a meeting with russian operatives who promised dirt in hillary. Thats collusion, thats a fact.

 

You may be refering to conspiracy, thats a crime. Collusion is not. But collude they did.

 

Trump also called for russia to hack hillary and show the emails. 

 

Thats what a traitor does.

[ChouDoufu]

43 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Apparently people on the left do not know the difference between a "National State of Emergency" VS "Public Health Emergency"

 

this is sad.  arguing over shades of meaning when 80,000 of your own countrymen are dead.

 

it's bad enough when some politician worms his way out of a scandal, claiming “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. If the—if he—if ‘is’ means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement..."

 

but then this is a little more significant than a damn <deleted>.

 

 

[Mama Noodle]

24 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I stand corrected... thank you.... So Trump finally did act a week after Schumer on the 26th had called for a public health emergency.

 

Yeah Schumer really leading the charge by a whole 5 days, and with the Democrats knowing what's happening in the Coronavirus Task Force ????

 

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

But Trump still didn't declare a national emergency until mid March after many weeks of denying the CV was going to become any major problem for the U.S.

 

He declared a National Emergency in line with the Coronavirus Task Force and when he was advised to, everyone knows this fact. 

 

27 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And then didn't do anything for the rest of the world's countries until he finally got around to declaring the European restrictions, long after many travelers from there had had the opportunity to import the virus to the East Coast.

 

Nobody knows where the virus in the USA originated yet, Id lay off the whole "Europe" thing until the facts are known. Wouldn't want to be wrong again, would you.

[Phulublub]

42 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

What really happened:

 

Around the same time (JANUARY 31!!) not only did Trump Admin declare a Public Health Emergency, he went even further and placed travel restrictions on the Chinese. 

 

Trump Declares Coronavirus A Public Health Emergency And Restricts Travel From China

 

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/31/801686524/trump-declares-coronavirus-a-public-health-emergency-and-restricts-travel-from-c

But you keep claiming that Trump stopped travel from China.  Now you say he restricted it.  Which is what I claimed earlier inanother thread and you disputed as Fake News.

 

That's the trouble with constantly trying to get the facts to conveniently fit your own preconceived view...eventually you contradict yourself - just as your Dear Leader often does when he is not spitting out his dummy.

 

PH

 

PH

[Phulublub]

5 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Nobody knows where the virus in the USA originated yet, Id lay off the whole "Europe" thing until the facts are known. Wouldn't want to be wrong again, would you.

Suggest you stop (incorrectly) calling it the China Virus then.  Unless you are happy for us all to call the 1918 flu epidemic the American Virus.

 

PH

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Apparently right wingers love to play semantics in stead of taking action.

It appears the reverse is true. Schumer babbled about a National emergency and Trump actually did something. It would like if there were a fire, you cried fire and I went to put the fire out. You figure you deserve all the credit.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Courtesy of NPR:

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/21/837348551/timeline-what-trump-has-said-and-done-about-the-coronavirus

 

Feb 4 (Trump loves China...back then)

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We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the coronavirus outbreak in China.

 

Feb 10 (It's going to work out fine)

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Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that’s true. But we’re doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s going to all work out fine.”

 

Feb 24 (very much under control in the USA)

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“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

 

Feb. 26 (down to zero)

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“When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

 

 

Feb. 28 (coronavirus a Democrats hoax?)

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They tried anything, they tried it over and over. … And this is their new hoax.”

 

Wrong again!!!

 

Johns Hopkins March 11:

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The global total could potentially reach 4 million cases by the middle of next week and 300,000 deaths by later this week.

...

 

The US CDC reported 1.30 million total cases (26,660 new; 81,630 since Friday’s briefing) and 78,771 deaths (1,737 new; 5,474 since Friday’s briefing). The United States could potentially reach 1.5 million cases by early next week. ... Additionally, 35 states (no change), plus Guam, are reporting widespread community transmission.

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Phulublub]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

It appears the reverse is true. Schumer babbled about a National emergency and Trump actually did something. It would like if there were a fire, you cried fire and I went to put the fire out. You figure you deserve all the credit.

So is Schumer the Head of the Federal Government now?  Good to know!

 

PH