1 minute ago, bannork said:

It's not what the people want. Only 37% of the voting electorate voted for Brexit.

Whatever, it's all water under the bridge. The Untied Kingdom has already left the E.U. and by Dec 31 2020, that will be it. Besides, the E.U. is sinking fast, Italy will be next probably followed by Spain. We're out.

58 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

Whatever, it's all water under the bridge. The Untied Kingdom has already left the E.U. and by Dec 31 2020, that will be it. Besides, the E.U. is sinking fast, Italy will be next probably followed by Spain. We're out.

How desperate the Brexiteers are for the EU to break up. It's their only hope as they realize the ramifications of leaving one of the largest trading blocs ( is the EU the largest?) to stand alone, trying to cut deals with the USA, China etc. Economic giants that will take the UK to the cleaners.

Utter stupidity.

 

59 minutes ago, bannork said:

How desperate the Brexiteers are for the EU to break up. It's their only hope as they realize the ramifications of leaving one of the largest trading blocs ( is the EU the largest?) to stand alone, trying to cut deals with the USA, China etc. Economic giants that will take the UK to the cleaners.

Utter stupidity.

 

Its a classic case of projection. We hate the EU so everyone else must feel the same way.

But it no longer matters. It is done. What is important is that we use this huge manifestation of English nationalism to further our own goal. 

9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Excellent , 500% import tax on Chinese goods please, to be paid by the exporter in China prior to shipping

How about $10,000 visa application fee for Chinese travelers?

But it will mean that if Britain and the EU fail to reach a free trade deal by the end of the year,

The Brexiteers never had any intention of reaching an agreement with the EU.

7 hours ago, norfolkandchance said:

I expect that old chestnut. Scottish Independence will be mentioned before long.

 

 Asap ,  we cannot afford them anymore . 

 Also ,  Wales, are not contributing to the UK  economy ,  just  benefit takers .

   We don't burn Coal anymore , not cost effective,  Bye ..

 

Edited May 20, 20206 yr by elliss

2 hours ago, bannork said:

It's not what the people want. Only 37% of the voting electorate voted for Brexit.

Is that the only argument you have, you must have posted this nonsense on every Brexit thread since the beginning of these Brexit debates, most rational thinking folk thought that this had been dead and buried and finally been put to rest.

Of course it's true that only 37% voted to leave, but it is very disingenuous use of stats, you are not counting the people that chose not to vote nor are you mentioning the people that are not eligible to vote.

Even less people voted to remain (34%) so if you don't think that 37% of the country is not the will of the people then 34% certainly isn't. And just because 37% of our citizens voted to leave that doesn't in anyway mean that 63% of the people wanted to remain.

So if this is your best argument you have, it is not very convincing now is it.

 

 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Is that the only argument you have, you must have posted this nonsense on every Brexit thread since the beginning of these Brexit debates, most rational thinking folk thought that this had been dead and buried and finally been put to rest.

Of course it's true that only 37% voted to leave, but it is very disingenuous use of stats, you are not counting the people that chose not to vote nor are you mentioning the people that are not eligible to vote.

Even less people voted to remain (34%) so if you don't think that 37% of the country is not the will of the people then 34% certainly isn't. And just because 37% of our citizens voted to leave that doesn't in anyway mean that 63% of the people wanted to remain.

So if this is your best argument you have, it is not very convincing now is it.

 

 

Sorry to point out that Brexit was never approved by the majority of the electorate, as is so often claimed.

11 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

13 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Excellent , 500% import tax on Chinese goods please, to be paid by the exporter in China prior to shipping

Thats not how tariffs work. Ultimately it will be UK consumers who have to pay. 

 

Or they can choose products made in a different country...

 

5 hours ago, Maybole said:

But it will mean that if Britain and the EU fail to reach a free trade deal by the end of the year,

The Brexiteers never had any intention of reaching an agreement with the EU.

If there’s no free trade agreement, there’s only the EU to blame. To them ‘agreement’ means capitulation. 

 

Fortunately, Theresa is history and David Frost is standing up to the EU. Either a deal beneficial to UK, or No to the EU’s idea of a Deal. 

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Sorry to point out that Brexit was never approved by the majority of the electorate, as is so often claimed.

Sorry to point out that Brexit was approved by enough of the electorate to make it already happen. 

Percentages pedantry is pointless.  

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Sorry to point out that Brexit was approved by enough of the electorate to make it already happen. 

Percentages pedantry is pointless. 

Always worth pointing out that Brexit was only the will of 37% of the UK electorate.

5 hours ago, bannork said:

Sorry to point out that Brexit was never approved by the majority of the electorate, as is so often claimed.

That is the whole point, you are not pointing out the approval of the electorate, you are using babies and people that are not eligible to vote to try and make a point. 

If I can try and explain to you one last time, the 37% you keep going on about are not the electorate, it is not difficult.

Of the electorate that voted 52% voted leave and 48% voted remain, now doesn't that give a truer picture.

IMO, on seeing how the UK government is mismanaging the coronavirus in every shape and form, I have zero confidence that they could handle post-brexit deals any better. In fact, if it wasn't so serious, it's beyond my comprehension that they could manage anything. 

 

Currently, they're a disgrace, a lying toe-rag of ministerial incompetence, and what was the avoidable cause of care home deaths. That alone, is despicable - in any other business the CEO (Johnson) and his right hand man (health secretary) would be fired for dereliction of duty of care.

 

The sooner the population have the opportunity to vote for Keir Starmer to replace his government, the better. And that will happen without any doubt, IMO.  

 

3 hours ago, vogie said:

That is the whole point, you are not pointing out the approval of the electorate, you are using babies and people that are not eligible to vote to try and make a point. 

If I can try and explain to you one last time, the 37% you keep going on about are not the electorate, it is not difficult.

Of the electorate that voted 52% voted leave and 48% voted remain, now doesn't that give a truer picture.

No, the 37% is of those eligible to vote, i.e. over 18. That doesn't include babies.

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

No, the 37% is of those eligible to vote, i.e. over 18. That doesn't include babies.

What is really strange is you never mention the stats of the remainers that was only 34%, is there a disingenuous reason for this. 

But by anybodies reckoning 37% is higher than 34% and if someone really wanted to give a truer picture of stats they would state that the actual electorate that voted for leave was 52% and only 48% for remain. So how much you juggle the stats the leave figures will always come out in the lead. So the leave has it, the leave has it, lock down.

Edited May 21, 20206 yr by vogie

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

No, the 37% is of those eligible to vote, i.e. over 18. That doesn't include babies.

Only 34% of those eligible to vote wanted to Remain in the EU.

 

How could we possibly remain under those circumstances? ????

 

You lost. We've left. Get over it.

 

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Only 34% of those eligible to vote wanted to Remain in the EU.

 

How could we possibly remain under those circumstances? ????

 

You lost. We've left. Get over it.

 

We remain because 63% of the electorate did not vote to leave.

3 hours ago, vogie said:

What is really strange is you never mention the stats of the remainers that was only 34%, is there a disingenuous reason for this. 

But by anybodies reckoning 37% is higher than 34% and if someone really wanted to give a truer picture of stats they would state that the actual electorate that voted for leave was 52% and only 48% for remain. So how much you juggle the stats the leave figures will always come out in the lead. So the leave has it, the leave has it, lock down.

Let me rephrase your sentence to reflect the true statistics. The actual electorate that voted to leave was 37%, remain was 34%, did not vote was 29%. Therefore only a minority of the electorate voted to leave.

20 minutes ago, bannork said:

Let me rephrase your sentence to reflect the true statistics. The actual electorate that voted to leave was 37%, remain was 34%, did not vote was 29%. Therefore only a minority of the electorate voted to leave.

I said "the actual electorate that voted" which is 71% of the electorate and by anybodies standards that is a huge turnout, unless you are a remainer and cannot come to terms with the result.

 

As for the 29% that did not vote, you don't vote, you don't count.

26 minutes ago, vogie said:

I said "the actual electorate that voted" which is 71% of the electorate and by anybodies standards that is a huge turnout, unless you are a remainer and cannot come to terms with the result.

 

As for the 29% that did not vote, you don't vote, you don't count.

You count as a UK citizen even if you didn't vote and the majority of the UK electorate did not vote to leave the EU, only 37% did, so please no nonsense about Brexit being ' the will of the people'

It was not by 37% to 63%.

 

24 minutes ago, bannork said:

You count as a UK citizen even if you didn't vote and the majority of the UK electorate did not vote to leave the EU, only 37% did, so please no nonsense about Brexit being ' the will of the people'

It was not by 37% to 63%.

 

If 37% is not the will of the people, it would seem obvious to most that 34% is certainly not the will of the people. So in laymans language more people voted to leave than to remain, got it now?

It was 37% to 34%, do not bring figures into an equation that you have no idea of what they are, of the remaining 29%, they are a non entity, they did not vote, if they had of done you cannot assume which way they would have voted. It was a vote to remain or leave the EU, if you didn't vote it does not count.

 

1 hour ago, bannork said:

We remain because 63% of the electorate did not vote to leave.

We don’t Remain because we already left.

We are out, but in the transition stage before being fully released from the EU shackles. Barnier & Co (including Remainers) are spitting the dummy out because our negotiators won’t bend over for their dirty tricks to keep us tied. 

So it’s out No Deal come the end of this year! It just gets better. 

8 hours ago, bannork said:

Always worth pointing out that Brexit was only the will of 37% of the UK electorate.

Not even worth mentioning it. We are out already. 

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

We don’t Remain because we already left.

We are out, but in the transition stage before being fully released from the EU shackles. Barnier & Co (including Remainers) are spitting the dummy out because our negotiators won’t bend over for their dirty tricks to keep us tied. 

So it’s out No Deal come the end of this year! It just gets better. 

The UK committing economic suicide.

Thank Christ I left back in the 1980s.

 

11 hours ago, Loiner said:

If there’s no free trade agreement, there’s only the EU to blame. To them ‘agreement’ means capitulation. 

 

Fortunately, Theresa is history and David Frost is standing up to the EU. Either a deal beneficial to UK, or No to the EU’s idea of a Deal. 

Brinkmanship works best if you have the clear upper hand. I am not convinced that, in Brexit, the UK does.

2 hours ago, bannork said:

We remain because 63% of the electorate did not vote to leave.

of the 63% that didn't vote to leave 29% of those 63% weren't bother about the result hence didn't vote

so that leaves 34% that voted to remain and 37% that voted to leave

2 hours ago, bannork said:

We remain because 63% of the electorate did not vote to leave.

I've got some bad news for you ????.

 

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I've got some bad news for you ????.

 

I'm sorry to tell you Jonny but the bad news is on you, it's just you don't realise it yet. Talk to me in another year if the corona doesn't get us and see how old Blighty is doing then.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

I'm sorry to tell you Jonny but the bad news is on you, it's just you don't realise it yet. Talk to me in another year if the corona doesn't get us and see how old Blighty is doing then.

You're a little ray of sunshine aren't you ????.

 

 

Take my word for it, Britain will be fine, prosper in fact. It's a big world out there outside the EU's clutches.