2 hours ago, bannork said:

I'm sorry to tell you Jonny but the bad news is on you, it's just you don't realise it yet. Talk to me in another year if the corona doesn't get us and see how old Blighty is doing then.

As if continued EU membership would or could save us from corony.

They are already trying to squeeze the UK for more cash to support their failed project and  euroscroungers. At each step it’s increasingly obvious we are one of their favourite cash cows. Best out of it altogether. 

 

This time next year we will be comparative millionaires, compared to what we would have been if still in the EU. 

43 minutes ago, Loiner said:

As if continued EU membership would or could save us from corony.

They are already trying to squeeze the UK for more cash to support their failed project and  euroscroungers. At each step it’s increasingly obvious we are one of their favourite cash cows. Best out of it altogether. 

 

This time next year we will be comparative millionaires, compared to what we would have been if still in the EU. 

Time will tell gentlemen, time will tell.

I see that Johnson's promise not to sell out Northern Ireland has, like so many of his promises, come to naught.

 

Brexit: Gove confirms plans for checks on goods crossing Irish Sea

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The government has confirmed for the first time that there will be Brexit checks on animals and food goods entering Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK from next January.

The announcement, detailed in a 23-page document released by the government on Wednesday, comes months after Boris Johnson pledged there would be no checks on trade crossing the Irish Sea – telling businesses that if anyone asked them to fill in new paperwork, they could “throw it in the bin”

 

I'm not a great believer in opinion polls, but others here are and have used the regular YouGov poll to show how popular Johnson is. It's been a week since Starmer's approval rating overtook Johnson's. I wonder how big the gap will be in the next one.

On 5/20/2020 at 12:20 PM, RichardColeman said:

Excellent , 500% import tax on Chinese goods please, to be paid by the exporter in China prior to shipping

Oh dear...i guess this is the kind of economic (il)literacy which gets you to brexit. That and a bit of flag waving and chest thumping I guess. 
 

As someone else has already said, that’s not how tariffs work. Never mind, the vote is in and the brexiters have moved on.
 

Interesting to note though - not content with the EU, they’ve found a new bogey man in China. Quelle Suprise. 

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1 hour ago, samran said:

Oh dear...i guess this is the kind of economic (il)literacy which gets you to brexit. That and a bit of flag waving and chest thumping I guess. 
 

As someone else has already said, that’s not how tariffs work. Never mind, the vote is in and the brexiters have moved on.
 

Interesting to note though - not content with the EU, they’ve found a new bogey man in China. Quelle Suprise. 

I’d add the Aussies and Thais to the bogey man list. They’re always ilirtat too, the edjumacated ones quoting boganomics ad nauseam. Chips on shoulders I guess. 

25 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I’d add the Aussies and Thais to the bogey man list. They’re always ilirtat too, the edjumacated ones quoting boganomics ad nauseam. Chips on shoulders I guess. 

Economics 101.

Do not screw up your biggest market.

Still not to worry. Sunlight uplands ahead re pleat with unicorns and angels waving the union flag. 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

I’d add the Aussies and Thais to the bogey man list. They’re always ilirtat too, the edjumacated ones quoting boganomics ad nauseam. Chips on shoulders I guess. 

Obviously you are free to do what you want.   

Edumaculating all over yourself while humming ‘Rule Britannia’ seems to be the go for some...  
 

Just don’t come grovelling to us for a FTA in your brave new world when the music stops! 
 

(On the off chance you are looking new song though, Australian kids band ‘the wiggles’ might suit. Just change the title from ‘big red car’ to ‘big red bus’ given that’s where you get your economics lessons’

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Economics 101.

Do not screw up your biggest market.

Still not to worry. Sunlight uplands ahead re pleat with unicorns and angels waving the union flag. 

‘They need us more than we need them’ 555

2 hours ago, samran said:

 

Just don’t come grovelling to us for a FTA in your brave new world when the music stops! 

 

Grovelling to where - Oz or Thailand? They’ll both have to join the queue down Downing Street. 

What’s Scott Morrison going to do as China escalates the trade war? Naughty Aussies. Thailand will do a deal with the devil if it provides more opportunities for trade and corruption, so no worries there. 

 

Be brave sweetie, join the brave new world. 

2 hours ago, samran said:

‘They need us more than we need them’ 555

Patently obvious from all sides of the EU now, and every day their getting more desperate. 

555 

On 5/20/2020 at 7:54 AM, RuamRudy said:

Try raising your eyes above your hatred for the EU - it's not just the EU but the whole world is expecting a recession unlike any seen in our lifetimes. Is this really the time to be leaving the world's most successful trading partnership on the back of a bucketful of lies and a few ethereal slogans that nobody can tangibly define?

The big red bus has a lot to answer for.

7 hours ago, Loiner said:

As if continued EU membership would or could save us from corony.

They are already trying to squeeze the UK for more cash to support their failed project and  euroscroungers. At each step it’s increasingly obvious we are one of their favourite cash cows. Best out of it altogether. 

 

This time next year we will be comparative millionaires, compared to what we would have been if still in the EU. 

On short term the cv is likely to create a recession that will make it more difficult for UK firms adapt to the new situation (in case there is no strong agreement with the EU).

 

On longer term, the cv crisis has highlighted two issues:

- the need for strategic domestic sourcing. Large entities (US, China, EU..) will likely to be able to achieve it, at the expense of smaller entities.

- the cv has highlighted the rivalry between The US and China. It suggests that it will not be comfortable to be stuck between a rock and a hard place (I.e. Australia). That will be easier for large entities.

 

It has nothing to do with British people being smart enough or not. It has all to do with size.

7 hours ago, bannork said:

Time will tell gentlemen, time will tell.

It certainly will boyo,what about the eus latest one about all the members taking on debt as one?link hard talk was on BBC news 4.30 this morning 21.5.2020

2 minutes ago, candide said:

On short term the cv is likely to create a recession that will make it more difficult for UK firms adapt to the new situation (in case there is no strong agreement with the EU).

 

On longer term, the cv crisis has highlighted two issues:

- the need for strategic domestic sourcing. Large entities (US, China, EU..) will likely to be able to achieve it, at the expense of smaller entities.

- the cv has highlighted the rivalry between The US and China. It suggests that it will not be comfortable to be stuck between a rock and a hard place (I.e. Australia). That will be easier for large entities.

 

It has nothing to do with British people being smart enough or not. It has all to do with size.

Do you honestly think they,'ll be an eu in 5 years time?the UK will be able to make its own decisions without being hamstrung by the eu,over 2 million eu residents living and working in uk now,what do,'re it tell you about the conditions in their home countries?

Actually, it's more than 2 million (born in the EU, incl. UK citizen). ????

But let's look at details: 

- the top country of origin is Poland. They will not be better off outside the EU, and on top of it have a border with Russia

- then comes Romania, same same.

- then the Irish Republic, for which there is a specific context

- then surpringly enough, Germany. I guess they don't come to work in the UK because of high unemployment in their country,

- etc...

 

The EU is facing a challenge, it's true. It needs to change. Being freed from the ultra-liberal British influence may help, despite a loss of size.

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On 5/20/2020 at 2:18 AM, RuamRudy said:

Well go on then, help us understand the tangible benefits. How will our lives improve as a result of brexit, and why, on the cusp of a crisis, is it wise to strike out alone?

Whose lives?

On 5/20/2020 at 8:25 AM, JonnyF said:

It's never a bad time to leave a corrupt, failing, protectionist racket.

Will you be leaving Thailand then?

6 hours ago, candide said:

The EU is facing a challenge, it's true.

This could be the understatement of the year. They're up the creek without a paddle. It's so bad that even the ultra leftist rag The Guardian has cottoned on.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-crisis-truth-eu-union-financial-rescue

 

 

History will show that we left at the perfect time. The equivalent of running out of a burning building as it collapses into itself. The Brits leading the way, as normal.

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

This could be the understatement of the year. They're up the creek without a paddle. It's so bad that even the ultra leftist rag The Guardian has cottoned on.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-crisis-truth-eu-union-financial-rescue

 

 

History will show that we left at the perfect time. The equivalent of running out of a burning building as it collapses into itself. The Brits leading the way, as normal.

Despite Bercow & Co bricking up the exits ????

6 hours ago, candide said:

 

 

The EU is facing a challenge, it's true. It needs to change. Being freed from the ultra-liberal British influence may help, despite a loss of size.

It won,t help the eus.finances though,still i,m sure the rest of the eus countries will be glad to put their hands on their pockets to remain in the eu,anyone asked their citizens yet.

28 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

This could be the understatement of the year. They're up the creek without a paddle. It's so bad that even the ultra leftist rag The Guardian has cottoned on.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-crisis-truth-eu-union-financial-rescue

 

 

History will show that we left at the perfect time. The equivalent of running out of a burning building as it collapses into itself. The Brits leading the way, as normal.

When a ship sinks the captain will go down with it,seems through Holland and Germany feel the same way as us,why don,t the eus countries give their citizens a referendum?

30 minutes ago, kingdong said:

When a ship sinks the captain will go down with it,seems through Holland and Germany feel the same way as us,why don,t the eus countries give their citizens a referendum?

Because they are terrified of the answer, it will be the break up of the EU and they know it.

On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2020 at 8:27 AM, car720 said:

Little island.

Big balls.

Rule Brittania!

What are you going to rule?

42 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

What are you going to rule?

I don't think that the UK has any contingency plans of ruling anybody, it's just the thought of somebody else ruling us that leaves a sour taste in the mouth.

3 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

What are you going to rule?

Britannia rules the waves.  

And all the fishes and fishing rights under them, not the CFP. 

12 hours ago, kingdong said:

Do you honestly think they,'ll be an eu in 5 years time?the UK will be able to make its own decisions without being hamstrung by the eu,over 2 million eu residents living and working in uk now,what do,'re it tell you about the conditions in their home countries?

5 years ago, on these very boards, we had some very vociferous (and sorely missed posters) who were even more bullish than you. Sgt Rock, for example, had even identified the sequence in which the EU countries would revolt and the dominoes would fall, all to concluded, if I recall correctly, by late 2018. 

 

The reality is that the only people who were correct in their predictions were the remainers. Leavers' triumphalism and vainglory fell somewhat (i.e. fully) short of the mark, and the EU is still standing united while the UK is struggling badly. 

 

Here is a much more credible prediction for you - forget any daft notion about the EU not being around in 5 years. The UK will be a relic of history by that time. 

32 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Britannia rules the waves.  

And all the fishes and fishing rights under them, not the CFP. 

In the bathtub maybe.

13 hours ago, Loiner said:

Grovelling to where - Oz or Thailand? They’ll both have to join the queue down Downing Street. 

What’s Scott Morrison going to do as China escalates the trade war? Naughty Aussies. Thailand will do a deal with the devil if it provides more opportunities for trade and corruption, so no worries there. 

 

Be brave sweetie, join the brave new world. 

Ah, darls, we've been in it since 71 when you threw us under the EU bus.

 

As for Scottie from marketing - while I've given him 11/10 for his handling of the corona virus in OZ and the economic shocks as a result, he seems to be leading by the chin when it comes to dealing with China diplomatically. Fortunately the EU (yes the EU!) came to our eventual diplomatic aid in the recent tussle.

 

If you look closely at how China does things, they are just telegraphing more loudly what they've always been doing. For years they've been happy to leave Australian products and produce on the docks if they thought Australia was getting to uppity, and turning around coal shipments has been happening for a little while now. In turn, Australia has the most anti-dumping cases out against them and of course, we have been much more vocal than ole Boris on the Huawei issue. Never before have I thought I'd agree with the right wing of the conservative party on anything, but they've been right to touch up Boris on this issue and the should continue to do so.

 

The UK will be wanting an Australia/NZ trade deal first cab off the rank...you need it politically to say to the people 'see, see, it was worth leaving the EU'. 

 

So that one will come quickly, mainly because you need the political symbolism of a FTA. Australia/NZ, the more efficient primary producers that we are, in return are more than happy to flood your markets with our agricultural products, while the Welsh farmers - who voted for Brexit - stare at the fast approaching headlights of the large green and gold truck about to run them over.

Edited May 22, 20206 yr by samran

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Britannia rules the waves.  

And all the fishes and fishing rights under them, not the CFP. 

Absolutely no chance