100% tariff on EUSSR goods please

I still believe Brexit is a mistake, but this proposal doesn't look all bad.

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

5 years ago, on these very boards, we had some very vociferous (and sorely missed posters) who were even more bullish than you. Sgt Rock, for example, had even identified the sequence in which the EU countries would revolt and the dominoes would fall, all to concluded, if I recall correctly, by late 2018. 

 

The reality is that the only people who were correct in their predictions were the remainers. Leavers' triumphalism and vainglory fell somewhat (i.e. fully) short of the mark, and the EU is still standing united while the UK is struggling badly. 

 

Here is a much more credible prediction for you - forget any daft notion about the EU not being around in 5 years. The UK will be a relic of history by that time. 

You reckon, and you a UK bloke trashing the UK....Tut tut...

 

Have you appeared at Hyde Park Corner....?    ????

19 minutes ago, bannork said:

Absolutely no chance 

Eeeeeeeer, did I read somewhere the EU has "bent" regarding UK fishing rights...?  ????

1 minute ago, transam said:

You reckon, and you a UK bloke trashing the UK....Tut tut...

 

Have you appeared at Hyde Park Corner....?    ????

And this is a clear example of why we are in this situation. An honest assessment is not trashing anything - take your union flag glasses off and recognise that the UK is in no way superior to any other country; its population is not special and we are not destined for a higher purpose by dint of our birthplace. 

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

And this is a clear example of why we are in this situation. An honest assessment is not trashing anything - take your union flag glasses off and recognise that the UK is in no way superior to any other country; its population is not special and we are not destined for a higher purpose by dint of our birthplace. 

You just don't like the Union that you were born in...

Who the flush has mentioned the UK is superior or special.....WHO......I will tell you ....

 

YOU..........................????

12 minutes ago, transam said:

You reckon, and you a UK bloke trashing the UK....Tut tut...

 

Have you appeared at Hyde Park Corner....?    ????

Brings back memories - speakers corner - passing a few idle moments listening on the way to the pubs

4 minutes ago, transam said:

You just don't like the Union that you were born in...

Who the flush has mentioned the UK is superior or special.....WHO......I will tell you ....

 

YOU..........................????

Well I could see no other reason why you would suggest I was 'trashing' the UK. Please enlighten me then. 

The Ponti's & remainers loitering on these boards would like everyone to believe that the people they're continually slagging off are on par with India's Dilits simply because they've taken control of their own destiny.

I couldn't care less what they think but it's time they got over it.

Edited May 22, 20206 yr by evadgib

3 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Brings back memories - speakers corner - passing a few idle moments listening on the way to the pubs

Blimey, you were posh, pubs in the West End.....????

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Well I could see no other reason why you would suggest I was 'trashing' the UK. Please enlighten me then. 

I cannot believe you wrote that....????

7 minutes ago, transam said:

I cannot believe you wrote that....????

That, I can accept. 

22 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

And this is a clear example of why we are in this situation. An honest assessment is not trashing anything - take your union flag glasses off and recognise that the UK is in no way superior to any other country; its population is not special and we are not destined for a higher purpose by dint of our birthplace. 

Keep calm dear, not good for you to get too excited.

If you were to have problems here, and had to leave, you would be straight back to the UK.

4 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Keep calm dear, not good for you to get too excited.

If you were to have problems here, and had to leave, you would be straight back to the UK.

I am not sure that your post makes any sensible or relevant point whatsoever. Did it make sense to you as you typed it out? 

UK fish stocks are UKs to catch and sell on ..bulgarian factory ships hoover up all the fish at little cost to them and sell them on ..

14 hours ago, kingdong said:

It certainly will boyo,what about the eus latest one about all the members taking on debt as one?link hard talk was on BBC news 4.30 this morning 21.5.2020

You are claiming a proposal is a solid fact! 

 

Furthermore, the proposal isn't to amalgamate all of each individual member's debt into one to be shared by all; it covers monies needed to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

 

Merkel, Breaking German ‘Taboo,’ Backs Shared E.U. Debt to Tackle Virus

 

Furthermore, you are ignoring the fact that it is a proposal which, as with all such EU decisions, requires the unanimous approval of the member states' governments.

 

 

11 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

On 5/20/2020 at 8:18 AM, RuamRudy said:

Well go on then, help us understand the tangible benefits. How will our lives improve as a result of brexit, and why, on the cusp of a crisis, is it wise to strike out alone?

Whose lives?

 

Our lives: British citizens living in the UK.

So who loses who wins? I'm guessing it's a lose/lose situatiòn or a win/win situation. But what do I know, I'm just a pleb. Hopefully they'll sort it out. I can't see trade embargoes working on either side - we need them, they need us. The other major players, China and The US, are no doubt sitting on the sidelines and licking their chops at this major market potentially being up for grabs. 

36 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

You are claiming a proposal is a solid fact! 

 

Furthermore, the proposal isn't to amalgamate all of each individual member's debt into one to be shared by all; it covers monies needed to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

 

Merkel, Breaking German ‘Taboo,’ Backs Shared E.U. Debt to Tackle Virus

 

Furthermore, you are ignoring the fact that it is a proposal which, as with all such EU decisions, requires the unanimous approval of the member states' governments.

 

 

 

36 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

You are claiming a proposal is a solid fact! 

 

Furthermore, the proposal isn't to amalgamate all of each individual member's debt into one to be shared by all; it covers monies needed to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

 

Merkel, Breaking German ‘Taboo,’ Backs Shared E.U. Debt to Tackle Virus

 

Furthermore, you are ignoring the fact that it is a proposal which, as with all such EU decisions, requires the unanimous approval of the member states' governments.

 

 

I,m pointing out that the eu is on the verge of collapse,let's see how the members of the eu react to the "proposal" sure they won,t mind making a few financial sacrifices for the honour of being in such an elite organisation,pity it's members leaders don,t entrust their citizens with referendums regarding future membership but sure they know best.

Edited May 22, 20206 yr by kingdong

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Britannia rules the waves.  

And all the fishes and fishing rights under them, not the CFP. 

Under the common fisheries policy the quota each member state receives is based largely on how much they fished in those areas in the 1970s, before the Common Fisheries Policy came into effect.

 

At the time, most the UK's fishing industry did not fish in these areas as they were deep sea fishers, fishing mainly around Iceland.

 

Then in 1976 we lost the cod wars with Iceland.

 

It was that which devastated the UK fishing industry, not the CFP.

 

Despite this, and Cummings', Farage's etc. propaganda, the amount of fish caught by the UK in UK waters has been steadily increasing. "The UK’s share of the overall EU fishing catch grew between 2004 and 2014. In 2004 the UK had the fourth largest catch of any EU country at 652,000 tonnes, by 2014 this had grown to 752,000 tonnes and the second largest catch of any country in the EU." (source)

 

 

2 hours ago, Henryford said:

100% tariff on EUSSR goods please

 

Another poster who has no idea of how tariffs work!

7 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Under the common fisheries policy the quota each member state receives is based largely on how much they fished in those areas in the 1970s, before the Common Fisheries Policy came into effect.

 

At the time, most the UK's fishing industry did not fish in these areas as they were deep sea fishers, fishing mainly around Iceland.

 

Then in 1976 we lost the cod wars with Iceland.

 

It was that which devastated the UK fishing industry, not the CFP.

 

Despite this, and Cummings', Farage's etc. propaganda, the amount of fish caught by the UK in UK waters has been steadily increasing. "The UK’s share of the overall EU fishing catch grew between 2004 and 2014. In 2004 the UK had the fourth largest catch of any EU country at 652,000 tonnes, by 2014 this had grown to 752,000 tonnes and the second largest catch of any country in the EU." (source)

 

 

The amount of fish caught by the UK in uk waters has been steadily increasing.i,m sure it has and how much of it has had to be out back due to eu quotas?

2 hours ago, Henryford said:

100% tariff on EUSSR goods please

Do you understand that the UK citizens will pay these taxes?

On 5/19/2020 at 5:55 PM, snoop1130 said:

The UK will maintain tariffs on products competing with industries such as agriculture, automotive and fishing, and remove levies on 30 billion pounds ($37 billion) worth of imports entering UK supply chains.

wonder how they will deal with the fishing industry as all fishing processing factories are in the EU (France) it will take long time to get it up and running in the UK, I see more and more hurdles to jump

59 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

UK fish stocks are UKs to catch and sell on ..bulgarian factory ships hoover up all the fish at little cost to them and sell them on ..

 Wrong: see my post 

 Also I have been unable to find any evidence that "bulgarian factory ships hoover up all the fish at little cost to them and sell them on" Indeed, I can find no evidence that the Bulgarian fleet fishes in UK waters at all!

 

Perhaps you'll provide a source?

4 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Do you understand that the UK citizens will pay these taxes?

Yes, the equivalent of shooting yourselves repeatedly in the foot - convinced that is really showing those so and so’s in Brussels who’s boss!

24 minutes ago, kingdong said:

 

I,m pointing out that the eu is on the verge collapse,let's see how the members of the eu react to the "proposal" sure they won,t mind making a few financial sacrifices for the honour of being in such an elite organisation,pity it's members leaders don,t entrust their citizens with referendums regarding future membership but sure they know best.

 

As already pointed out, for this proposal to happen, it will require the unanimous approval of all member governments.

 

What don't you understand about that?

 

As a supporter of referendums, no doubt you want Johnson to grant the UK population the desire expressed in the 2019 general election in which 53% of voters voted for parties who promised a referendum on the final deal between the UK and EU. A referendum based on accept the deal or cancel Brexit.

16 minutes ago, kingdong said:

The amount of fish caught by the UK in uk waters has been steadily increasing.i,m sure it has

It has; whether you believe the figures or not. If you don't believe my source, provide one which shows the opposite. Facts, though, not opinions.

 

18 minutes ago, kingdong said:

and how much of it has had to be out back due to eu quotas?

I'm assuming you mean "put back" as "out back" makes no sense.

 

In which case; none. The figures are for tonnage landed.

 

 

 

 

 

On 5/20/2020 at 2:09 PM, Rookiescot said:

Thats not how tariffs work. Ultimately it will be UK consumers who have to pay. 

Only until they can buy from elsewhere or produce domestically 

7 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

As already pointed out, for this proposal to happen, it will require the unanimous approval of all member governments.

 

What don't you understand about that?

 

As a supporter of referendums, no doubt you want Johnson to grant the UK population the desire expressed in the 2019 general election in which 53% of voters voted for parties who promised a referendum on the final deal between the UK and EU. A referendum based on accept the deal or cancel Brexit.

On your first point I said let's see how the eu countries react to the proposal,what don,t you understand about that? Johnson won the election with a large majority of over 80 seats,what is it about democracy you don,t understand?