Tears and heartbreak as flight ban keeps farang-Thai families apart

[pineapple01]

My Chums very happy stuck in Saudi. Never had such a long Holliday all his life without 3 Kids,Mrs, and laws, and the buggers on full pay.

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

How does allowing non-Thai people married to a local with a family to return and quarantine just like the Thais are (and pay for it themselves) increasing the risk of spreading anything? 

 

They would be in quarantine. 

It doesn't

[Don Mega]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Um, no, because I still can not leave here even to go to work (where I can not take my family) until I can actually come back to them. 

 

So plenty of reasons to moan. And please spare us all the "if you don't like it then leave" sh*t. Its old, stale, and boring especially in the middle of a global pandemic. 

So you or your family are NOT locked out of Thailand, whats ruffling you feathers then ?

Edited May 23, 2020 by Don Mega

[Mama Noodle]

11 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

but its not 2021 yet, why have your plans been derailed ?

 

Because I am not working and currently living on the savings I was stacking up for the move. 

 

And the reason I am not working is the very subject of this thread. I can't leave at this point because if I do, then I will not be allowed back. 

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, scorecard said:

48 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

QUARANTINE !!!...   

 

 

So you assume every person entering is already infected?

 

Further, are you aware of temperature etc., checks and if any doubt there's professional testing? 

Great - kick-start the world back into operation - there is a test.

 

Is there? why isn't it at the airport then?

 

Its no good having a Covid-19 test in the UK then getting on a plane and catching it.

That said, how long after exposure would it take for us to register as positive on the test?

If we have had Covid-19, many of us may without knowing, are we immune? does immunity prevent us from being carriers?

 

As you wrote, so 'I assume everyone entering is already infected' (I don't - but thats what quarantine is for) its a 'schrodingers cat' approach, everyone both has the virus and doesn't until its proven by either test or by quarantine.

 

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by richard_smith237

[stouricks]

3 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

Imagine the outrage if Thailand refused entry to its own people, Iam sure the idea was tabled though and got voted down !!

Didn't nine Thais arrive at Bkk last week, all with high fever

[Don Mega]

Just now, Mama Noodle said:

 

Because I am not working and currently living on the savings I was stacking up for the move. 

 

And the reason I am not working is the very subject of this thread. I can't leave at this point because if I do, then I will not be allowed back. 

So the decision to not work is yours then.

 

Short term pain for long term gain... think of your family and go back to work, or not if moving them back to your home country is not a priority.

[Jeff Simoneaux]

2 hours ago, Don Mega said:

I'd prefer they stay locked out than risk importing the wuFlu.

Easy for you to say. You're probably at home in Thailand. You would feel the same as us if had been stranded abroad for months away from your home and family. We're not tourist. Thailand is our home. And we're willing to do the 2 week quarantine and have already have more than enough insurance. 

[Don Mega]

1 minute ago, stouricks said:

Didn't nine Thais arrive at Bkk last week, all with high fever

And ?

[Mattd]

6 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

Meetings can be done online.

Find another employer if they insists on international travel for work commitments...... or travel knowing you cannot return (and then don't start crying on social media about it).

Somebody going to work in February, offshore for example, could not have predicted this.

Find another employer, are you having a laugh.......................... not all farangs can work in Thailand and unless you haven't noticed, the world is about to go in to the biggest recession that most of us will have never experienced before, jobs are not going to easy to come by.

What you are basically saying is it is som nom na for somebody trying to do their best and support their family in hard times.

[Don Mega]

1 minute ago, Jeff Simoneaux said:

Easy for you to say. You're probably at home in Thailand. You would feel the same as us if had been stranded abroad for months away from your home and family. We're not tourist. Thailand is our home. And we're willing to do the 2 week quarantine and have already have more than enough insurance. 

Iam actually, missus is out by the pool cooking my breakfast on the BBQ.

 

life is great, was upset I could not go home to my Uncles funeral though.

[Don Mega]

1 minute ago, Mattd said:

What you are basically saying is it is som nom na for somebody trying to do their best and support their family in hard times.

and the we have some in this thread  who is able to go to work but refuses to do so because they will be inconvenienced in respect to returning to Thailand.... the mind boggles.

[mr mr]

4 minutes ago, Jeff Simoneaux said:

Easy for you to say. You're probably at home in Thailand. You would feel the same as us if had been stranded abroad for months away from your home and family. We're not tourist. Thailand is our home. And we're willing to do the 2 week quarantine and have already have more than enough insurance. 

may i ask the reason you are outside of thailand at the moment ? also what was the date you left. 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Don Mega said:

Meetings can be done online.

Find another employer if they insists on international travel for work commitments...... or travel knowing you cannot return (and then don't start crying on social media about it).

Rather selfish and unwarranted opinion there. Some meetings have to be in person, papers signed, intimate talks made. I don't see crying, just people looking for good advice and kindness. Do you realize that the way Thais eat and share things, that is the most dangerous way of transmitting the disease. I see it daily here, yesterday in fact, 2 groups done work, one of six, another 7, that were sitting a foot apart, eating sticky rice and sharing water glasses. That's a heck of a lot more dangerous than having a test waiting at the airport, and if in doubt, quarantine for 2 weeks IN Thailand, so they are one step away from reuniting with their families. If Thais can be let back in, than anyone can. The Thais came from some other country, and if that's a high risk country, they're tested and  quarantined also.

[Don Mega]

maybe they should open the borders up and force everyone entering to sit a parked car for a few hours !!

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1165193-heat-inside-car-parked-in-sunlight-‘can-kill-most-of-the-virus’-says-professor/page/4/?tab=comments#comment-15439209

[Don Mega]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Rather selfish and unwarranted opinion there. Some meetings have to be in person, papers signed, intimate talks made.

and yet the world seems to have adapted just fine.

[Greg O]

The truth is that they have to list with Thai immigration (through the local embassy or consulate ) In the country they are in and also make a cash deposit for a seat. Thai Nationals are placed first on the wait list followed by foreigners depending on the situation. Currently Thais that are being repatriated first have overstayed their Visas in the host country and are out of money. They are getting flight priority and there are regular repatriation flights every week. My gf who is a business woman and is stuck in Dubai even though she is Thai and has paid for her passage in advance is number 2209 on the wait list to return. She was number 1900 last week but more overstayers were placed in front of her. 

In addition they (the local and Thai governments) are not allowing the center seats to be occupied which further aggravates the delay in getting a seat.

So people are coming back as is their right to. If you have family that's "stuck" overseas then communicate to Thai immigration politely but forcefully and be persistent.

All passengers must go to quarantine on arrival for 14 days. 

[mr mr]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Rather selfish and unwarranted opinion there. Some meetings have to be in person, papers signed, intimate talks made.

maybe a decade ago this would ring true. in today's world not the case. anything needed signing can be done electronically with verify sign like i did when i purchased my home. intimate talks can be done in zoom or something similar. the world is moving beyond that old style of doing business. 

[richard_smith237]

18 minutes ago, mr mr said:

for anyone stuck outside thailand away from their family....

 

1. what date did you leave thailand ? 

2. what was the reason for leaving thailand

Interesting question: For the majority the primary answer to number 2 will be money (i.e. for work), others funerals and urgent matters. I don't think there are many who traveled with frivolous disregard close to the onset of lock down.

 

I was working on rotation in Dubai (4wks away, 4 weeks at home in BKK). I flew to Dubai for work on 23rd Feb - Thailand and the UAE closed its borders not too long after that.

 

 

I think the lock down was a good idea. I argued firmly that it was necessary while we did not have a handle on the progression of this virus.

Now, I think mistakes are being made. Not because I'm away from my family, but because the objectives of lock-down have been met. Health services were not overwhelmed.

 

Can we wait another 12-18 month of lock-down for an vaccine? will a vaccine ever come?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, mr mr said:

maybe a decade ago this would ring true. in today's world not the case. anything needed signing can be done electronically with verify sign like i did when i purchased my home. intimate talks can be done in zoom or something similar. the world is moving beyond that old style of doing business. 

Missing the point of they were already out of the country before covid was discovered here. Now that they are trying to get back to their families here, Thailand should allow them, with, like I said, a test at the airport, and quarantine if necessary. It isn't like they  would have a choice, and 2 weeks in quarantine would tell the rest.

[Mama Noodle]

5 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

and the we have some in this thread  who is able to go to work but refuses to do so because they will be inconvenienced in respect to returning to Thailand.... the mind boggles.

 

Quite the troll aren't you. 

 

Yeah I mean its a pretty big 'inconvenience' knowing if I leave, I can't come back to my wife and daughter and my home when my job is rotational and requires constant in and out of the country. 

 

I see we've shifted from you not wanting foreigners to come back because of your own personal illogical reasons to, well, me. 

[Mattd]

6 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

and the we have some in this thread  who is able to go to work but refuses to do so because they will be inconvenienced in respect to returning to Thailand.... the mind boggles.

No, I disagree, those that are here are stuck between a rock and a hard place, go to work and risk not being able to return, or stay at home and use up valuable savings whilst risking not being able to return to work if the employer gets antsy.

Not a nice predicament at all.

I suspect that a lot of people are going to be in a difficult situation as time goes on, there will be retirees whose pension plans will have gone to the wall due to investments falling, this whole thing is going to hurt people badly.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Don Mega said:

and yet the world seems to have adapted just fine.

Have you been looking at world news the last 3 months???

[Don Mega]

3 minutes ago, mr mr said:

maybe a decade ago this would ring true. in today's world not the case. anything needed signing can be done electronically with verify sign like i did when i purchased my home. intimate talks can be done in zoom or something similar. the world is moving beyond that old style of doing business. 

The whole work from home thing is annoying as peoples work days now seem to be from when they get up till when they go to bed, annoys me to get calls from suppliers and work colleagues that are in a different time zone, A phone call at 5am to ask about the thread pitch of a bolt or something as trivial is extremely annoying !!

[pineapple01]

Suppose its a big worry for  those who dont trust their Wives.????

[bbi1]

What the hell is wrong with these people leaving their so-called "loved ones" in the 1st place when there's a pandemic going on? Surely if they really cared about their husbands/wives or kids they wouldn't be going overseas in the 1st place to leave them, would they? Unless it was an absolute emergency that they had to do that for some reason.

Edited May 23, 2020 by bbi1

[richard_smith237]

25 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

Meetings can be done online.

Find another employer if they insists on international travel for work commitments...... or travel knowing you cannot return (and then don't start crying on social media about it).

That might work for your 'cam shows' but really its not a very sharp reply...  particularly at a time when 'key workers' have kept the world running by being at work.

 

A bunch of cake-eaters can sit on a zoom call and discuss plans, but the doers have to get out there and well, do... y'know, built things, make things, construct things, anylize things, repair things, operate on people, catch food, make food, ship food etc etc ete and on and on.... 

 

Finding another employer is an incredibly weak and absent minded argument, you've been much better in this debate up until that highly flawed comment.

 

 

 

 

[Mama Noodle]

3 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

The whole work from home thing is annoying as peoples work days now seem to be from when they get up till when they go to bed, annoys me to get calls from suppliers and work colleagues that are in a different time zone, A phone call at 5am to ask about the thread pitch of a bolt or something as trivial is extremely annoying !!

 

You're just flat-lucky you managed to make it to this point not needing to leave the country to spin those bolts yourself. 

 

You'd have a whole different tune if you did, no doubt. 

[bbi1]

2 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

I'm in the same boat and it's heart-wrenching not to be together with the missus and the kids.

 

What made you think it's a good idea to leave your family in a pandemic?

[fredwiggy]

Just now, bbi1 said:

What the hell is wrong with these people leaving their so-called "loved ones" in the 1st place when there's a pandemic going on? Surely if they really cared about their husbands/wives or kids they wouldn't be going overseas in the 1st place to leave them, would they? Unless it was an absolute emergency that they had to do that for some reason.

They left before it started