Just back from immigration

[AlfHuy]

Good afternoon,

 

I visited Chaeng Wattana this morning to renew my O_A visa.

 

Arrived early and had to wait 1 hour.

Whilst waiting, an officer was walking around and handing over 2 forms plus and empty paper.

She told, that on the empty paper, I have to make a drawing of my address. (I am not married here, nor do I own a house or condo.) They know exactly that I rent as I report every 3 months where I stay. I am a tenant.

I have taken copy of landlords ID plus copy of her housebook.

Never mind, I made a drawing.

 

The second paper is a form called STM2.

Acknowledgement of terms and conditions for permit of temporary stay in the Kingdom of Thailand.

 

The 3rd paper called Statement 3

Here, the owner of the property has to come to immigration and testify to the officer that...... person X , relationship, allow.....

I, guarantor that Mr. ..... is still living at. ....

 

What on earth is this? 

My landlord is living in the UK. He is Thai. Rent agreement, copy of housebook, copy of ID, all is already on the immigration's file.

 

Next thing was:

 

Health Insurance. They put me a paper under my nose. Did you buy from this webpage? I said, NO. I bought directly with Pacific Cross.

They checked on their database and could not find any information about me.

 

On a friendly basis, they told me to get off and come back when I have my paperwork sorted.

I called Health Insurance Company and they checked. They did not put my information online. For this reason, immigration could not check, even I had the original certificate with me with an insurance cover, well above what is required.

 

Anybody knows something about this Form 3, Statement?

 

How on earth do I get my landlord to fill this out?

 

Regards,

[Crossy]

Always more hoops ????

 

Are renting a condo? Certification from the condo Juristic Person maybe?

If not a condo then a statement from the village head (Puyai Baan) should work.

 

 

 

 

[Hayduke]

 

Thanks for the report. When and where was your O-A visa issued?

 

 

[BobbyL]

As usual, utterly ridiculous. When will Thai immigration move into

the 21st century and begin to impose normal regulations. 

 

 

 

[otherstuff1957]

1 hour ago, AlfHuy said:

The 3rd paper called Statement 3

Here, the owner of the property has to come to immigration and testify to the officer that...... person X , relationship, allow.....

I, guarantor that Mr. ..... is still living at. ....

 

Is this the tm.30?  I thought that was was no longer being enforced?

[glegolo]

I guess they will move into the 21st century as soon as all the counterparts (various falangs), will stop showing up and trying wheeling and dealing and lying and bluffing many of them....

 

I think Immigration acting mostly as a reponse, dont you??

 

glegolo

[Isaan Alan]

11 minutes ago, glegolo said:

I guess they will move into the 21st century as soon as all the counterparts (various falangs), will stop showing up and trying wheeling and dealing and lying and bluffing many of them....

 

I think Immigration acting mostly as a reponse, dont you??

 

glegolo

What a throwaway comment

 

If you read it carefully he had done his due diligence - he had health insurance and the rent agreement, copy of housebook, copy of id on their files

 

They just wanted to add some extra paperwork so he would go to an agent and they get a kickback or they just love adding burdensome and unnecessary bureaucratic rules to make life hard for farangs 

 

 

[glegolo]

15 minutes ago, Isaan Alan said:

What a throwaway comment

 

If you read it carefully he had done his due diligence - he had health insurance and the rent agreement, copy of housebook, copy of id on their files

 

They just wanted to add some extra paperwork so he would go to an agent and they get a kickback or they just love adding burdensome and unnecessary bureaucratic rules to make life hard for farangs 

 

 

I am sorry that my comment went way over your head!! I was talking about moving into the 21st century and responding to that comment, as you can see what comment I did quote... Look again...

 

glegolo

[DrJack54]

The OP did not have his paperwork in order. Really sounds like having a stir.

I have done 7+ extensions at CW. Always needed a map. I have never hand drawn one as my condo has a flyer with clear map and has always been accepted.

He may of had insurance but it was not on imm data based. Sounds like stuff up by PC.

Many people just don't research and prepare properly and then complain about being rejected.

[AlfHuy]

1 hour ago, Crossy said:

Always more hoops ????

 

Are renting a condo? Certification from the condo Juristic Person maybe?

If not a condo then a statement from the village head (Puyai Baan) should work.

 

I rent a condo in BKK. There is no village head.

I. have never seen this document before. This was even not an original. Just a bad copy.

Title: Statement

At right corner: NR 3

Basically, the landlord has to testify on oath that he is the owner and that I am the tenant. Ver badly worded. I even didn't know it was 2x my name or 1x landlord and 1x me.

New as well that for a rented condo, you need to draw a map.

Then the new form : The acknowledgement of penalties for a visa overstay.

And a form called  : STM 2 Acknowledgement of terms  and conditions for permit of temporary stay in the Kingdom.

Plus, pay attention that your health insurance provider has informed immigration of your policy. Showing up with the original doesn't work. They want to see it on their computer.

Well, that's me back tomorrow.

[AlfHuy]

5 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The OP did not have his paperwork in order. Really sounds like having a stir.

I have done 7+ extensions at CW. Always needed a map. I have never hand drawn one as my condo has a flyer with clear map and has always been accepted.

He may of had insurance but it was not on imm data based. Sounds like stuff up by PC.

Many people just don't research and prepare properly and then complain about being rejected.

Sorry, do not talk rubbish.

I have done my homework. I have every single document required, copies and even more documents then required.

Have you ever seen the Statement 3 or STM.2 or the Acknowledgement of penalties for a visa overstay-form?

[AlfHuy]

1 hour ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Is this the tm.30?  I thought that was was no longer being enforced?

NO

[lopburi3]

1.  As has been said a map to residence has been required for some years now.

2. Acknowledgement of terms  and conditions for permit of temporary stay has been required for about the last 3 years.

3. The acknowledgement of penalties for a visa overstay I believe was required last year (but could be wrong - there were several new forms last year).

4. Renter is required to file a TM-30 for foreign tenets, which is often not done - in one on file for you?  Without that expect alternate proof of your residence would be that form 3 and the rental agreement.

[fondue zoo]

17 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

STM.2 or the Acknowledgement of penalties for a visa overstay-form

I've been given that form a few times when applying for an extension of stay at CW, 30 and 60 days. I had entered under a Visa Exemption and Non-Imm O 90 day visa.

[samtam]

22 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

 

I rent a condo in BKK. There is no village head.

I. have never seen this document before. This was even not an original. Just a bad copy.

Title: Statement

At right corner: NR 3

Basically, the landlord has to testify on oath that he is the owner and that I am the tenant. Ver badly worded. I even didn't know it was 2x my name or 1x landlord and 1x me.

New as well that for a rented condo, you need to draw a map.

Then the new form : The acknowledgement of penalties for a visa overstay.

And a form called  : STM 2 Acknowledgement of terms  and conditions for permit of temporary stay in the Kingdom.

Plus, pay attention that your health insurance provider has informed immigration of your policy. Showing up with the original doesn't work. They want to see it on their computer.

Well, that's me back tomorrow.

 

I am an owner, and have signed something similar to this for the last 3-4 years. It's a completely nonsensical document which states something like:

 

I....my name...reside at.... and can guarantee a that I am....my name....at address.... signed by me ad nauseam.

 

Just fill it in and sign it. It means nothing, and they ignore it, in my experience.

[cleopatra2]

26 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

 

I rent a condo in BKK. There is no village head.

I. have never seen this document before. This was even not an original. Just a bad copy.

Title: Statement

At right corner: NR 3

Basically, the landlord has to testify on oath that he is the owner and that I am the tenant. Ver badly worded. I even didn't know it was 2x my name or 1x landlord and 1x me.

New as well that for a rented condo, you need to draw a map.

Then the new form : The acknowledgement of penalties for a visa overstay.

And a form called  : STM 2 Acknowledgement of terms  and conditions for permit of temporary stay in the Kingdom.

Plus, pay attention that your health insurance provider has informed immigration of your policy. Showing up with the original doesn't work. They want to see it on their computer.

Well, that's me back tomorrow.

I presume for health insurance , they want to check the policy is still in force and not cancelled after issue of certificate.

[homeseeker]

OP: Are u saying you are due back at immigration? So can you please provide a copy of the document  you say the landlord needs to provide on oath?

Certain documents given out whilst waiting do not concern retirement but for others who need report to the same counter(s)…..

 

[JackThompson]

2 hours ago, Crossy said:

Always more hoops ????

 

Are renting a condo? Certification from the condo Juristic Person maybe?

If not a condo then a statement from the village head (Puyai Baan) should work.

In my expereince, when they are trying to block your extension w/ landlord docs, they will accept nothing from the Juristic Person.   If they are only trying to honestly verify your address, then they will accept it. 

 

2 hours ago, BobbyL said:

As usual, utterly ridiculous. When will Thai immigration move into

the 21st century and begin to impose normal regulations.

Where is the agent-money profit in that?  If they wrote down the specifics and stuck to them, everyone would just apply honestly themselves, and be completely prepared.

 

@AlfHuy The terms/conditions and penalties for overstay are not new, but just have to sign the forms.  The landlord-doc you describe, I have never heard of.  The TM-30 is required at many offices, but has not been required in recent months at CW. 

 

Just ignore "I never had a problem," people; they are either lucky or lying.  Seems odd they would even comment here - so maybe some are IO's.  What would be the point in those who "never had a problem" commenting in this forum?  Makes one wonder.

[AlfHuy]

this is the document Statement 3 I was talking about.

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

this is the document Statement 3 I was talking about.

I think you will find that you can sign that statement.

I can recall other people being told that they can sign it. It does not have to be your landlord.

[AlfHuy]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I think you will find that you can sign that statement.

I can recall other people being told that they can sign it. It does not have to be your landlord.

sign, ok.

But what to fill in? On top, name of landlord or 2X tenant's name.

If it is landlord, where to get signature from as my landlord is in the UK

[buick]

i was handed that statement 3 thing when i got my queue number last week (at CW).  i threw it in the trash thinking it didn't apply to me.  but they gave me another one when i was at the IO desk.  so i filled it out, i guess i guaranteed myself.  it was strange but it got the job done.  i didn't have to draw a map of my apt location.  nor did i have to produce any evidence of where i live.

 

edit:  i was extending an extension of stay that originated from a non O using 800k in the bank.

Edited June 1, 2020 by buick

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

But what to fill in? On top, name of landlord or 2X tenant's name.

Your name everywhere. You are just stating it is the correct address.

[AlfHuy]

1 minute ago, buick said:

i was handed that statement 3 thing when i got my queue number last week (at CW).  i threw it in the trash thinking it didn't apply to me.  but they gave me another one when i was at the IO desk.  so i filled it out, i guess i guaranteed myself.  it was strange but it got the job done.  i didn't have to draw a map of my apt location.  nor did i have to produce any evidence of where i live.

which names did you fill in? Are you a tenant or landlord? If tenant, did you put information from your landlord?

[AlfHuy]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Your name everywhere. You are just stating it is the correct address.

cheers

[OJAS]

The OP's experiences have led me to the conclusion that Chaengwattana regard themselves as serious contenders for the 2020 Rogue Immigration Office Of The Year award.

[DrJack54]

Just now, OJAS said:

The OP's experiences have led me to the conclusion that Chaengwattana regard themselves as serious contenders for the 2020 Rogue Immigration Office Of The Year award.

Thinking Jomtien has that locked up.

Think OP main issue with immigration was not having insurance on their data base which was up to Pacific Cross to forward the details.

[Catkiwi]

2 hours ago, glegolo said:

I guess they will move into the 21st century as soon as all the counterparts (various falangs), will stop showing up and trying wheeling and dealing and lying and bluffing many of them....

 

I think Immigration acting mostly as a reponse, dont you??

 

glegolo

Actually you didn't quote a comment and you completely missed the point of the original request for advice. Not helpful at all to someone needing some advice. 

 

[lopburi3]

5 minutes ago, OJAS said:

The OP's experiences have led me to the conclusion that Chaengwattana regard themselves as serious contenders for the 2020 Rogue Immigration Office Of The Year award.

Why?  From what I recall all of this was required in June a year ago, plus a current TM-30 report (and fine payment for being over a decade late).

[Catkiwi]

23 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I think you will find that you can sign that statement.

I can recall other people being told that they can sign it. It does not have to be your landlord.

Correct.