Trump pushes military response as U.S. girds for more protests

[Logosone]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Can you point to the bit where he identifies the ‘left-wing’?

 

I've highlighted it and underlined it for you, since you appear to have problems finding the part where left wing extremists are responsible for the vandalism:

 

"No. 1, before the protests began," Miller said, "organizers of certain anarchist groups set out to raise bail money and people who would be responsible to be raising bail money, they set out to recruit medics and medical teams with gear to deploy in anticipation of violent interactions with police."

He added, "They prepared to commit property damage and directed people who were following them that this should be done selectively and only in wealthier areas or at high-end stores run by corporate entities."

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enforcement-plays-catch-stop-violence-radical-groups-protests-n1220486

[spidermike007]

33 minutes ago, Logosone said:

On Sunday night, New York's top terrorism cop, Deputy Commissioner for Intelligence and Counterterrorism John Miller, detailed his office's analysis and investigation into why the New York City protests have become so violent and damaging at times:

 

"No. 1, before the protests began," Miller said, "organizers of certain anarchist groups set out to raise bail money and people who would be responsible to be raising bail money, they set out to recruit medics and medical teams with gear to deploy in anticipation of violent interactions with police."

He added, "They prepared to commit property damage and directed people who were following them that this should be done selectively and only in wealthier areas or at high-end stores run by corporate entities."

 

"And they developed a complex network of bicycle scouts to move ahead of demonstrators in different directions of where police were and where police were not for purposes of being able to direct groups from the larger group to places where they could commit acts of vandalism including the torching of police vehicles and Molotov cocktails where they thought officers would not be."

 

"We believe that a significant amount of people who came here from out of the area who have come here as well as the advance preparation, having advance scouts, the use of encrypted information, having resupply routes for things such as gasoline and accelerants as well as rocks and bottles, the raising of bail, the placing of medics," Miller said. "Taken together, (this) is a strong indicator that they plan to act with disorder, property damage, violence, and violent encounters with police before the first demonstration and or before the first arrest."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enforcement-plays-catch-stop-violence-radical-groups-protests-n1220486

 

So translation: Highly planned, co-ordinated and carefully executed left-wing led operation to cause maximum destruction. Planting the brick piles fits perfectly in this planned operation.

Fascinating. I would have said well planned, co-ordinated and carefully executed right wing led operation to cause maximum destruction, and lead to a militarization of major American cities, a discrediting of the protest movement, and give Trump the war he tried so hard to avoid as a young man, with his five draft deferments from the war in Vietnam.

 

Only this time the war is against Americans who oppose his spectacular level of incompetence, division and vitriol, and people of color, whom it has clearly been demonstrated he despises. The very same group currently working on insuring that this guy does not get reelected. If Trump had any dignity he would resign, over his massive Covid failure alone. 

Edited June 3, 2020 by spidermike007

[CorpusChristie]

26 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I wonder how much different it could have been if all the protesters remained protesters only took a knee across the country in town and city where they took to the streets. Staged a sustained sit in across the country, stopped commerce and remained silent.

 

Trump has failed another test on leadership 

You are blaming Trump for the protestors violent  actions ?

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

You are blaming Trump for the protestors violent  actions ?

The protesters are not violent.

[Logosone]

Google Rose City Antifa group. A group of violent left wing criminals who declared a "State of Emergency" when Donald Trump was elected.

 

Here is history of Antifa violence in the US. This was a long time coming, indeed. 

 

Not because of "inequality", but because left-wing Antifa groups planned this for a long time and waited for a useful opportunity to unleash mayhem. Weak Democrat mayors and governors allowed them to do just that. Whatever happens in response now is the fault of Antifa aggression.

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-antifa-history-20170816-story.html

[CorpusChristie]

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The protesters are not violent.

We were talking about the violent protestors 

[Logosone]

The Pentagon has moved 1,600 troops to Washington D.C.

 

Where are the left wing vandals now? They only dare to throw stones at shops that don't fight back. But where are they now?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-protests-live-updates.html

 

[Slip]

7 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Google Rose City Antifa group. A group of violent left wing criminals who declared a "State of Emergency" when Donald Trump was elected.

 

Here is history of Antifa violence in the US. This was a long time coming, indeed. 

 

Not because of "inequality", but because left-wing Antifa groups planned this for a long time and waited for a useful opportunity to unleash mayhem. Weak Democrat mayors and governors allowed them to do just that. Whatever happens in response now is the fault of Antifa aggression.

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-antifa-history-20170816-story.html

We live in an age of disinformation and some people are acting to manipulate your opinions:

 

Quote

Twitter has disabled an account that appeared to represent a violent antifa group after it was determined to be a bogus front for a white nationalist group.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/twitter-removes-account-white-nationalist-group-posing-antifa/story?id=71024345&cid=social_twitter_abcn

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, Slip said:

We live in an age of disinformation and some people are acting to manipulate your opinions:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/twitter-removes-account-white-nationalist-group-posing-antifa/story?id=71024345&cid=social_twitter_abcn

Wow, what a disingenous attempt to obfuscate the obvious. Are you calling New York's top terrorism cop, Deputy Commissioner for Intelligence and Counterterrorism John Miller a liar? The left wing extremists are to blame for this violence.

 

"No. 1, before the protests began," Miller said, "organizers of certain anarchist groups set out to raise bail money and people who would be responsible to be raising bail money, they set out to recruit medics and medical teams with gear to deploy in anticipation of violent interactions with police."

He added, "They prepared to commit property damage and directed people who were following them that this should be done selectively and only in wealthier areas or at high-end stores run by corporate entities."

 

"And they developed a complex network of bicycle scouts to move ahead of demonstrators in different directions of where police were and where police were not for purposes of being able to direct groups from the larger group to places where they could commit acts of vandalism including the torching of police vehicles and Molotov cocktails where they thought officers would not be."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enforcement-plays-catch-stop-violence-radical-groups-protests-n1220486

[simple1]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

<SNIP>.At the end of the day law and order prevails

Sure, So long it is not carried out in a brutal manner as was hyped by trump. The empathy approach has worked well in a number of places, no need for violence by police. The criminal element will be subject to intense scrutiny and follow up action.  But the matters which kicked off the current discontent need to be addressed, so far no word on first steps from the administration?

[Logosone]

Mayor Bill de Blasio said Sunday morning that the members of the anarchist movement plan together online and that "they have explicit rules, and we're going to make all this information available today and in the days ahead."

 

New York's top terrorism official says there's evidence that members of anarchist groups from outside the city intentionally planned to incite violence at protests calling for justice in the death of George Floyd.

 

Deputy Commissioner for Intelligence and Counterterrorism John Miller said there is a high level of confidence within the NYPD that these unnamed groups had organized scouts, medics, and supply routes of rocks, bottles and accelerants for breakaway groups to commit vandalism and violence. There are strong indicators they planned for violence in advance using at times encrypted communications, he said.

 

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nypds-terrorism-chief-says-unnamed-groups-planned-protest-violence-in-advance/2440722/

[Baerboxer]

38 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Fascinating. I would have said well planned, co-ordinated and carefully executed right wing led operation to cause maximum destruction, and lead to a militarization of major American cities, a discrediting of the protest movement, and give Trump the war he tried so hard to avoid as a young man, with his five draft deferments from the war in Vietnam.

 

Only this time the war is against Americans who oppose his spectacular level of incompetence, division and vitriol, and people of color, whom it has clearly been demonstrated he despises. The very same group currently working on insuring that this guy does not get reelected. If Trump had any dignity he would resign, over his massive Covid failure alone. 

 

Do you have any evidence, from reputable sources, that state it was right wing groups rather than the anarchist groups specified by the senior anti terrorist and chief of intelligence officer.

 

If so, cite them.

 

Otherwise your post is simply fake and politically motivated.

[Baerboxer]

35 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The protesters are not violent.

 

That's correct.

 

The unlawful, violent, criminally minded people, responsible for theft, looting, destruction and assaults are violent. 

 

 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

They were planted by Antifa activists, a common Antifa tactic to incite destruction and violence:

 

Ant

LOL - Hannity, the expert trump sycophant. Shouldn't take too long for law enforcement to identify why the bricks were located at the various sites. In the meantime, sorry to disappoint, some fact checking...

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/investigating-bricks-at-protests

 

 

Edited June 3, 2020 by simple1

[spidermike007]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Do you have any evidence, from reputable sources, that state it was right wing groups rather than the anarchist groups specified by the senior anti terrorist and chief of intelligence officer.

 

If so, cite them.

 

Otherwise your post is simply fake and politically motivated.

There are alot of alternative views, from the ones promoted by the feds, who I largely distrust to a stunning extent. Talk about political bias. As if they do not have one? Look at who they report to. 

 

The demographics of a largely white, young, and destructive group fit more with a movement known as accelerationists than Black Lives Matter. The accelerationists, if you have never heard the term, are an extreme subset of white nationalism whose goal is to bring about chaos and destruction. The basic tenet of accelerationism argues that since Western governments are inherently corrupt, the best (and only) thing supremacists can do is to accelerate the end of society by sowing chaos and aggravating political tensions. “Accelerationist ideas have been cited in mass shooters’ manifestos — explicitly, in the case of the New Zealand killer — and are frequently referenced in white supremacist web forums and chat rooms,” Zack Beauchamp explained.

 

https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

 

White supremacists are gleeful as police violence and the resulting rioting tear apart cities. Even if the unrest ends in the weeks to come, they may look back at the violence as a win for their side. Some delight in the killing of George Floyd and in police violence against African Americans—“a knee is the new noose!!” exulted one sign held up by white supremacists during protests. It is unclear how much organized white supremacist groups are involved in the violence, and it is easy to use them as an excuse for much broader societal problems related to police violence and systemic racism.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/06/02/riots-white-supremacy-and-accelerationism/

 

Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx urged those watching at home to avoid calling protesters “looters” and to recognize they were distinct groups of people. “We conflate protesters, looters. They’re two different groups,” she said. “We will hold accountable those who are seeking to exploit this moment.” Lightfoot said there was “no question” the destruction — and, in particular, the arsons — had been part of a unified effort. Lightfoot said the city is working with the FBI, the Attorney General’s Office and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to investigate who was behind the “absolutely organized and coordinated” efforts to start fires and steal during and after protests. 

 

https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/05/31/protesters-are-not-looters-kim-foxx-says-fringe-element-trying-to-hijack-black-lives-matter-movement/

 

Edited June 3, 2020 by spidermike007

[RJRS1301]

52 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

You are blaming Trump for the protestors violent  actions ?

Did I apportion blame any where to anyone?

I posed a hypothetical question
Please point out where I mentioned POTUS?

Edited June 3, 2020 by RJRS1301

[newnative]

November can't come soon enough.

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts, off topic posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[Sujo]

Now a white right wing group have been caught with a fake account called Antifa America and spreading fake hate.

 

Im sure trump will immediately denounce them as fake news. Or not.

[CorpusChristie]

10 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Did I apportion blame any where to anyone?

I posed a hypothetical question
Please point out where I mentioned POTUS?

In the last sentence .

I understood it as meaning that Trump had failed because the protests turned violent 

[simple1]

29 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Wow, what a disingenous attempt to obfuscate the obvious. Are you calling New York's top terrorism cop, Deputy Commissioner for Intelligence and Counterterrorism John Miller a liar? The left wing extremists are to blame for this violence. <SNIP>

What the guy actually said was "unnamed groups". in an article covering the issue...

 

Federal law enforcement officials say these outsiders could be anarchists, left-wing groups like Antifa, known for their militant opposition to Fascism, or far-right groups like white supremacists.

 

https://abc7ny.com/anarchists-floyd-protest-nyc-george-protests/6223320/

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, shy coconut said:

Sounds like the president of the USA, I thought Reagan and the 2 Bush's were bad

but the current potus makes them look like Gandhi.

 

It's sad that despite his apparent dislike of China, I believe that he admires the

absolute power the government has and uses at times of dissent.

Certainly appears to want to use the army on it's own citizens...now what happened when China infamously quelled dissent with the army...

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Empathy sounds nice(it always has in every admin),peaceful solutions sounds perfect.At the end of the day law and order prevails

Good, then lets hope all 4 ex police face charges regarding the killing of George Floyd

[RJRS1301]

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

In the last sentence .

I understood it as meaning that Trump had failed because the protests turned violent 

Comprehension 101>>>  Fail

I said leadership>>>>>>>> .

Leadership Definition (What's a Good Leader?)

https://www.thebalancesmb.com/leadership-definition-2948275

What is leadership? A simple definition is that leadership is the art of motivating a group of people to act toward achieving a common goal.In a business setting, this can mean directing workers and colleagues with a strategy to meet the company's needs.

 

Substitute "company" for "Country"

Edited June 3, 2020 by RJRS1301

[Isaan sailor]

According to today’s article in a well-known journal from the Wall Street area, Democratic-held cities and states fair the worst with rioting and looting,  Why? Because ideologically, the progressive mayors and governors align with the Antifa gang. That gives them pause, so they hold off ordering the National Guard to help restore law and order.  And they find themselves at odds with their own police force.

[Logosone]

14 minutes ago, simple1 said:

What the guy actually said was "unnamed groups". in an article covering the issue...

 

Federal law enforcement officials say these outsiders could be anarchists, left-wing groups like Antifa, known for their militant opposition to Fascism, or far-right groups like white supremacists.

 

https://abc7ny.com/anarchists-floyd-protest-nyc-george-protests/6223320/

I realise you're purposefully trying to create confusion and equivalence, but no, he literally said "anarchist groups":

 

 

"No. 1, before the protests began," Miller said, "organizers of certain anarchist groups set out to raise bail money and people who would be responsible to be raising bail money, they set out to recruit medics and medical teams with gear to deploy in anticipation of violent interactions with police."

He added, "They prepared to commit property damage and directed people who were following them that this should be done selectively and only in wealthier areas or at high-end stores run by corporate entities."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enforcement-plays-catch-stop-violence-radical-groups-protests-n1220486

 

[19DL86]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

On Sunday night, New York's top terrorism cop, Deputy Commissioner for Intelligence and Counterterrorism John Miller, detailed his office's analysis and investigation into why the New York City protests have become so violent and damaging at times:

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enforcement-plays-catch-stop-violence-radical-groups-protests-n1220486

 

So translation: Highly planned, co-ordinated and carefully executed left-wing led operation to cause maximum destruction. Planting the brick piles fits perfectly in this planned operation.

Thank you for this, an interesting read. But this Miller guy and his C.I.C another US Govt dept or agency with both good reason and an agenda to propagate this theory.

 

Also lets be fair, the probable assassination of one US President, 2 prominent and influential black activists all in the space of a few years.  Then 9/11, and several conflicts across the Muslim World.  So please excuse me as a non American, for having very little faith, trust or belief in what your agencies do across the globe.  

[19DL86]

26 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Good, then lets hope all 4 ex police face charges regarding the killing of George Floyd

As far as I know - from what I've read, no this isn't so.  Just one Officer the main cop who knelt on George Floyd's throat, he is being charged on 2 counts.  Those other officers aren't being pursued.

[Logosone]

19 minutes ago, 19DL86 said:

Thank you for this, an interesting read. But this Miller guy and his C.I.C another US Govt dept or agency with both good reason and an agenda to propagate this theory.

 

Also lets be fair, the probable assassination of one US President, 2 prominent and influential black activists all in the space of a few years.  Then 9/11, and several conflicts across the Muslim World.  So please excuse me as a non American, for having very little faith, trust or belief in what your agencies do across the globe.  

John Miller is not a federal employee. He used to be FBI but is now actually employed by the NYPD. So not affiliated with the White House, FBI or any US govt dept. Just New York City Police.

 

He was a very high ranking journalist before who received nine Emmys and two Peabodys, and was actually they guy who interviewed Osama Ben Laden. Very interesting man.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Miller_(police_official)#:~:text=John Miller (born 1958 or,for Analytic Transformation and Technology.

 

As for assassination of the US President, the situation is now so overheated that I would not be surprised in the least if one left-wing lunatic shoots the President and then, well then all hell will break loose in the US. It would make this look like a dress rehearsal.

 

 

[simple1]

44 minutes ago, Logosone said:

<SNIP> he literally said "anarchist groups":

 

"Unnamed groups" and also referred to anarchists, as Federal people are claiming yet to be empirically determined who is who. As already mentioned far right groups have taken on the identity of Antifa for agitation and  propaganda purposes. Personally I believe the unrest will be determined to originate from criminals, together with left and right wing extremist groups. Responsibility for damage and violence by political orientation will eventually be informed to the public.