Rhodes Must Fall - Oxford protesters target statue of colonialist

[evadgib]

5 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

It’s not being put back. It’s being dragged up and put in a museum with a Black Lives Matter plaque alongside to explain why it’s there. 

A museum in Bristol that ironically wouldn't be there if not for the subject of the lynched statue.

[Kadilo]

Just now, evadgib said:

A museum in Bristol that ironically wouldn't be there if not for the subject of the lynched statue.

Sounds as if it’s finally found it’s natural home. 

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I agree. I had to look up who this Savile guy is, seems like he was a perv. Anyway, was his statue removed by some form of legitimate and reasoned process?  If so that's a far cry from a howling mob acting violent in the public square. 

Yes, the Saville statue was removed by the authorities, after it was revealed that he was a serial child abuser , and it was removed a number of years ago and it has nothing to do with the current situation 

[Kadilo]

 

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You want Savile's statue put back up?

Seriously?

By his own admission he doesn’t know much about it. Best leave it there. 

[BritManToo]

13 minutes ago, Trillian said:

I see activists have hacked the Robertsons IT systems and obtained a list of anyone who ever received a golliwog badge, if this was you perhaps consider changing your identity or moving overseas perhaps.

I always wanted one of them 'golliwog' badges, but never managed to eat enough jam to collect the required tokens.

My life is a list of failure!

Edited June 11, 2020 by BritManToo

[nauseus]

On 6/10/2020 at 12:16 PM, Jane Dough said:

All statues in the UK should be replaced with ones of Harry Kane and Son Hyung-Min. 

 

Rooster

Why did the chicken cross the road?

 

To get to the new stadium.

[Rimmer]

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[evadgib]

40 minutes ago, vogie said:

Before we enter the realms of fantasy, was the Saville monument removed by the proper authorities or was it pulled down by the 'we know best mob' I remember a road in Scarborough being named after Saville, as soon as the revelations surfaced it was quickly removed and renamed. 

IIRC Saville's grave was dug up, his body cremated & tombstone demolished at the request of his family and with the assistance of the local council. The grave was left unmarked (& presumably remains that way). His NAME was removed from his charities but media reports at the time indicated that key players (executors, charities commission etc) were keen to keep the cash to those charities flowing so that the vulnerable intended recipients weren't penalized by being de-funded. Moves were afoot to compensate his alledged victims from his estate too but I have no idea whether they have since gained any traction.

 

IMO including Saville in the context of this thread is a monumental (????) 'Arbroath Smokie' (ie a ???????????????????????????? Red Herring!).

Edited June 11, 2020 by evadgib

[transam]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

You honestly think I condone any of that stuff?

How about I just put together a compilation of KKK photos and claim you condone their actions? 

Would amount to the same thing would it not? 

Don't be silly, your stance will entice that stuff, no question...You carry on, but tell me if in Scotland someone defaces one of your Scottish heroes, bet you don't...

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Don't be silly, your stance will entice that stuff, no question...You carry on, but tell me if in Scotland someone defaces one of your Scottish heroes, bet you don't...

I do not do this lightly but I am placing you on my block list.

You have been trolling me for weeks and I am done with you.

[Hanaguma]

17 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You want Savile's statue put back up?

Seriously?

Like I said, it depends on the circumstances. From what I have been able to read, it was a wooden statue in the lobby of a public sports facility. The managers of the facility decided to remove it. Fair enough. 

 

Hardly the same as a major historical figure being torn down by a baying mob of idiots, is it?

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I do not do this lightly but I am placing you on my block list.

You have been trolling me for weeks and I am done with you.

Oh well, shame you don't do that to GB history agitators...????

[evadgib]

14 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Sounds as if it’s finally found it’s natural home. 

Unnaturally at the hands of a lynch mob. If you're happy about that it's your prerogative...

[evadgib]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I do not do this lightly but I am placing you on my block list.

You have been trolling me for weeks and I am done with you.

"I'm Spartacus!"????

(Stick me on there too, please! )

[tribalfusion001]

Take them all down and place some of them in museums. I don't see why we need to revere figures from the past with statues up and down the country anymore.

 

The great thing about history is that it evolves, the Bristol toppling of Colston was seminal momemt in history being made. It has set off a chain of events worldwide and re-evaluating history, the past vs the future.

[vogie]

A little bit more thought should have gone into this one, I can only assume that Health and Safety guidelines were not followed and a full appraisal was not conducted. Whilst in their days work of the removal of the statue, safety was not taken into consideration and it fell on somebodies head. Now I don't know whether to laugh or cry, well I do but I fear I might offend somebody if I tell the truth.????????????

 

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by vogie

[Hanaguma]

What a pathetic scene. Where were the police in all of this?  

 

[Trillian]

10 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Take them all down and place some of them in museums. I don't see why we need to revere figures from the past with statues up and down the country anymore.

 

The great thing about history is that it evolves, the Bristol toppling of Colston was seminal momemt in history being made. It has set off a chain of events worldwide and re-evaluating history, the past vs the future.

"I don't see why we need to revere figures from the past with statues up and down the country anymore".

 

And paintings too, why not get rid of old paintings also. And books about history or the past, who needs them! We could call it the big reset, everything before today is unimportant so we don't need reminders.

 

History does indeed evolve over time, except if you can't see where you came from you wouldn't know that.

[tribalfusion001]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

A little bit more thought should have gone into this one, I can only assume that Health and Safety guidelines were not followed and a full appraisal was not conducted. Whilst in their days work of the removal of the statue, safety was not taken into consideration and it fell on somebodies head. Now I don't know whether to laugh or cry, well I do but I fear I might offend somebody if I tell the truth.????????????

 

 

 

Poor old Columbus, toppled and dropped in a lake, beheaded and toppled again in 3 incidents in the USA.

[simon43]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

What a pathetic scene. Where were the police in all of this?  

 

Taking a knee.....

 

It has set off a chain of events worldwide

 

Indeed, wanton acts of vandalism and violence, with no consideration for following the legal and democratic process....

[vogie]

1 minute ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Poor old Columbus, toppled and dropped in a lake, beheaded and toppled again in 3 incidents in the USA.

I wouldn't worry too much, the good old tax payer will foot the bill for it to be replaced, if it is to be replaced.

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, Trillian said:

"I don't see why we need to revere figures from the past with statues up and down the country anymore".

 

And paintings too, why not get rid of old paintings also. And books about history or the past, who needs them! We could call it the big reset, everything before today is unimportant so we don't need reminders.

 

History does indeed evolve over time, except if you can't see where you came from you wouldn't know that.

Books are in book shops and paintings are in museums/galleries. Statues can go to museums too with information on the pros and cons.

[Trillian]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

A little bit more thought should have gone into this one, I can only assume that Health and Safety guidelines were not followed and a full appraisal was not conducted. Whilst in their days work of the removal of the statue, safety was not taken into consideration and it fell on somebodies head. Now I don't know whether to laugh or cry, well I do but I fear I might offend somebody if I tell the truth.????????????

 

 

 

I score that Chris Columbus 1, protesters 0.

[tribalfusion001]

Just now, Trillian said:

I score that Chris Columbus 1, protesters 0.

It's Chrissy 0 Protesters 3, in a lake, beheaded, pulled down.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Trillian said:

I score that Chris Columbus 1, protesters 0.

I don't think that is C Columbus, but point taken never the less.

[Trillian]

2 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Books are in book shops and paintings are in museums/galleries. Statues can go to museums too with information on the pros and cons.

So nothing in public view then, sort of like porn in the UK in the 1970's, only available in certain shops and you had to know where to go. Tell me, are you in favour of any other forms of censorship!

[Trillian]

2 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It's Chrissy 0 Protesters 3, in a lake, beheaded, pulled down.

I read that the protester who was hit by the falling statue is in critical condition, sad but poetic justice of sorts perhaps.

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, Trillian said:

I score that Chris Columbus 1, protesters 0.

This is Chris Columbus.

[Loiner]

13 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

What a pathetic scene. Where were the police in all of this?  

 

The police were being battered on the street in Hackney and being filmed. 

Give an inch and you know the rest.

[Hanaguma]

I often hear from those who want to remove statues that they can "just be put into museums".  Somehow I don't trust that argument. What is to stop the great unwashed lefty masses from THEN vandalizing museums?  Museums are often partly or fully publicly funded, so what is to stop them from "defunding the racist museums"?  

 

Simply erasing things from easy public view isn't going to be enough to satisfy the howling mob.  The left has shown a great willingness to break the law and damage property in the name of "the greater good". So what is to stop them from simply doing the same in a museum?  All it takes is one precious little snowflake to see something they don't like, and game on.